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[ShinVector]

Iqfish, on 06 January 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

The funny thing is, the poster of that video will probably get banned for violating CoC and the cheater will still haunt the forums with his c**p

That was the old PGI with IGP in control of communications. I had at least one argument with a former mod that the excessive censorship and pretending like nothing bad happens in MWO, made no sense. Once in a while the public shpuld be made aware on what is acceptable and what is not.

CrockdaddyAoD, on 06 January 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

This video is utter BS. There is no way you can identify a cheat in here. If something is obvious it is you happen to believe something already and see what you want to see.

There is the thing... Aimbotting in MWO is rare or at least seems to be.
What gives way cheats is that they are not 'natural'. Even the best pilots here with the fastest reaction time and accuracy will need to 'SEE' the target before they can fire upon him. That is a given.
The video even though there quality was bad, did show several instances of 'Lock-ons' happening.
It might have been less obvious had he been using ballistics but it was very obvious when it is being used with lasers.
Haven't seen this sort of thing since good old CS 1.6...

cSand, on 06 January 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

well, TBH, if you tweak the details you can see mechs rendered before the terrain

so it's not totally suspicious

N00bs bring your finest cheats, we'll roll you anyways.

That wall hack ain't gonna make up for bad acne and a tiny wang

Now what do you mean by that ?
To my knowledge PGI had patched out the long time LOD bug with mechs and terrain a few patches back.

Edited by ShinVector, 06 January 2015 - 05:21 PM.

[InspectorG]

cSand, on 06 January 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

well, TBH, if you tweak the details you can see mechs rendered before the terrain

so it's not totally suspicious

N00bs bring your finest cheats, we'll roll you anyways.

That wall hack ain't gonna make up for bad acne and a tiny wang

Eloquent as always...

[Flyinghotpocket]

CrockdaddyAoD, on 06 January 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

This video is utter BS. There is no way you can identify a cheat in here. If something is obvious it is you happen to believe something already and see what you want to see.

Crap, I can anticipate shots ... look at my map and listen to the audio in my headphones to know where and how to shoot ... not even mention timing. If this is a hack it sucks hard. Go back home and cry because this is weak stuff.


So ... please do me a favor and explain what is going on because obviously I don't see it nor even understand what you are trying to prove other than perpetuating a bunch of nonsense.

its people like this that make me loose faith in the forum system.

• Evidence presented
  
• Faster than human reactions

"nah thats me on 2 monsters bro. i yolo this everyday of my life"

ya uhuh sure you do buddy.

people playing devils advocate just because.... should be muted.

[Ironwithin]

It seems the video Wolverine posted is not as obvious as I thought it to be.

Even without any knowledge about aimbots, everybody watching the video should think "huh...that looks weird".
Anybody with some experience in that field will spot it as what it is.

[ShinVector]

Ironwithin, on 06 January 2015 - 11:01 PM, said:

It seems the video Wolverine posted is not as obvious as I thought it to be.

Even without any knowledge about aimbots, everybody watching the video should think "huh...that looks weird".
Anybody with some experience in that field will spot it as what it is.

Actually you got to cut the 'open minded but unsure people' some slack.
The poor quality of the video doesn't help.

Pretty sure if poster has uploaded the Full HD version more people would clearly this dude was snapping lasers 'lock-ons' on mechs he could not even see at first.

Edited by ShinVector, 07 January 2015 - 02:13 AM.

[cry-]

His crosshair jumps to 3 different target in a splitsecond at that shot at 8 secs. One is even a friendly target. It's pretty obvious what's at work there.

[Jody Von Jedi]

I watched the so called "Cheat" video over a dozen times, and maybe I'm blind, but I don't see any aiming advantage to the player. He's causing nearly as much damage to friendlies and to the building he's hiding behind than to the enemy. It surely didn't help him any.

If this is a cheat, it's a poor one. Or maybe just poorly implemented.

[Bront]

CrockdaddyAoD, on 06 January 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

Everyone in my unit at one time or another has been accused of "aimbotting" ... i have been amazed a few times and how accurate some enemies can be. That being said ... in my over 10,000 matches so far I cannot say I have seen anywhere close to a positive example of an aimbot. Nor heard of it in the wild. If the magical MWO aimbot which has been rumored for 3 years now exists I have yet to actually see it. Mostly these posts are from guys whom think what they see is 100% perfect real time when in fact there is server side and client side stuff going on plus latency. Quit accusing and work on your game. If you seriously think someone aimbotted ... report it. Personally I think you may be a bit foolish in your assertion ... but hey its an online game ... everyone is entitled to their wrong opinion.

There are videos of people actually using them on Youtube. You can also find the products with a fairly easy google search. They exist, though you could argue about how effective they are.

[Eglar]

Iqfish, on 06 January 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

Dont mess with the 1337 guys.

Your signature scares me

Iqfish, on 17 December 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

Congratulations!

Can I please have your signature printed as a T-shirt?

See my updated sig. Plzbuy. Thank you in advance.

[H E A V Y G A U S S]

Never saw this guy doin damage over 150,
but in the video its clearly a aimbot,
but i think this guy is to dumb to use it !

[Ratpoison]

CrockdaddyAoD, on 06 January 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

This video is utter BS. There is no way you can identify a cheat in here. If something is obvious it is you happen to believe something already and see what you want to see.

Crap, I can anticipate shots ... look at my map and listen to the audio in my headphones to know where and how to shoot ... not even mention timing. If this is a hack it sucks hard. Go back home and cry because this is weak stuff.


So ... please do me a favor and explain what is going on because obviously I don't see it nor even understand what you are trying to prove other than perpetuating a bunch of nonsense.

This. The "snapping" isn't anything that simple muscle memory and reactions wouldn't do, and the tiny amount of low quality footage doesn't show any real inconsistencies aside from his terrible fire control and positioning. You can spectate high level Counter Strike: GO matches that show far more convincing "snapping" to targets and prefiring walls than this does, with no hacks needed.

Just more speculation and hysteria perpetuating this pointless topic.

[ShinVector]

tortuousGoddess, on 07 January 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

Just more speculation and hysteria perpetuating this pointless topic.

Not speculation for some like me. Played against the accused before...
The small things will give you away to experienced players just because he was able to do things not many or no one else can do.

That's why when OP made this post... And when I saw the name.... Wait a min... I know that name... I remember having weird experiences against him.. So that what it was...

[Ratpoison]

ShinVector, on 07 January 2015 - 08:06 PM, said:

Not speculation for some like me. Played against the accused before...
The small things will give you away to experienced players just because he was able to do things not many or no one else can do.

That's why when OP made this post... And when I saw the name.... Wait a min... I know that name... I remember having weird experiences against him.. So that what it was...

That IS speculation and hysteria to the letter. You're seeing what you want to see and not bothering to fact check or consider the possibility of error.

[ShinVector]

tortuousGoddess, on 07 January 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

That IS speculation and hysteria to the letter. You're seeing what you want to see and not bothering to fact check or consider the possibility of error.

And from your tone you like thinking you are right all the time. Ok thx bye bye. ..

[Bellum Dominum]

Vancer2, on 02 January 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

You people have not bothered to look there are numerous people who sell products specifically for Free2play games such as this. If you think people don't cheat in this you are just ignorant as you are stupid. Its easier to cover up the window and believe that that giant 100 foot wave of water isn't there. Out of sight, out of mind, right? Wrong. Cheats for this game exist. If you want to believe they don't, that's fine. But there are several sites that sell Aimbots specifically for this game. Get used to it. There are aimbotters who cheat at this game. So Piranha Games. Do something about it.

and then another wolf comes along and ruins it...

seriously man no one said they don't exist. simply that not nearly as many people are cheating as people claim/think. I know it's really hard to believe that someone could be better than you but it's not just a myth or fairy tale.

there are people that I've had to raise my eyebrow at, and even a couple that did get banned from the game a long while back now because they were caught cheating (in short PGI does watch for it when it's reported)

[Fooooo]

Uhhh AFAIK, when your spectating someone you are watching what the server gives you.

NOT what the player you are spectating is actually SEEING.

So someone shooting into thin air and scoring hits is not an aimbot or a hack. (like what seems to happen at 11sec on that vid)

To the player he was spectating, there was a mech there, and he fired. (note it could have also been an accidental button press, I do that occasionaly by accident when poking and twisting quickly etc)

At least thats how I understand it.


So I saw nothing dodgy in that vid at all........

[Bellum Dominum]

Maple Nachiman, on 05 January 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

Nope, no hacks here...google mwo hacks and videos come right up

google 'aliens ate my baby' and lookie there... aliens eating babies comes right up too

Edited by Death Drow, 07 January 2015 - 09:36 PM.

[Mad Porthos]

Little comment on this. Kid I know disappointed me recently. Decent kid, son of a friend and I got him into pc gaming. He likes a bunch of old games and new, doing stuff ranging from halflife2/counter strike, to COD and various console games. I introduced him to MWO a few months back and was over at his house on the holidays. I don't play games w him other than MWO these days, and as is when I have its been nothing abnormal, far as I could see. MAJOR kill streaks, like 6 -8 kills in a game, I attribute to him being 15 years old, w reflexes to match.

So I was splayed out on the basement rec room couch at his moms, watching him kill enemies in a game and what do you know, his aim is snapping around like crazy, and he is using a game pad. Yeah, a game pad. Xbox style. I had played MWO earlier with him, from my home that day. So he takes a break and I ask if I can check a few web pages. Start looking for the mouse and its not working, wireless batteries been dead, he says for a week. I realize he plays MWO with a freaking xbox controller and keyboard trackpad ( on docked gaming laptop ). I was impressed.

Watching him play some more, I see him take up a sniper position, opening a bag of oreos one handed, holding the controller and firing a few times as his aim snaps here, there. Headshot! Boom. A few frags and all he did was hold down fire or not depending on whether it seemed he had a real target lead. Something bugged me, cause this reminded me of the autoaim feature on that old n64 game, goldeneye, which also came out again recently on ps3. So I asked him about it and he said that yeah it was auto aim, he gets bored of games when he has to learn how each one's weapons aim and its hard sometimes to aim on some pc games which are meant for mouse and keyboard, where his xbox controller doesn't have the right config files. So an aimbot, I ask and he's like, " No, no... uh, its just like autoaim for the controller dude, like you can even find it on the xbox controller makers website."

I let it go, since I dont play him in games like that, but he never did play MWO that afternoon even though he had been aski g me to watch him play and I had been looking forward to seeing someone playing on a killer bigscreen setup, who knew clan mechs, something I have avoided. I haven't played with him since, though he's been on and I always have been busy since then. But a few memories linger of spectating him playing and watching his free look arm weapons snap around from a target he is in a circling brawl with, over to an enemy nearby, fire... then snap back to where he seemed to have been trying to aim, at the guy who is out turning him. Alot of the time, I marvel at this because in the split second his target got off his screen by out turning him in the circling duel, he had the presence of mind to hit R, successfully targeting the distant enemy passing through his field of view, firing, hitting and then pressing R again evidently to reacquire his duelling target as the circling brings him back into view. To me it was amazing, like Gun Foo from Gattica, even said so, impressed.

Now, I'm very doubtful, given what I have heard and read here. I am also sad. Since an aimbot might explain his great controller skills, aswell as why he often shoots walls others have already ducked behind or hills people have not yet peeked over, or just fell behind.

[ShinVector]

Mad Porthos, on 07 January 2015 - 10:58 PM, said:

.....

Good story from a different perspective.

Probably will make some of the disbelievers here think a bit.
No idea why some people here can't believe, that the experienced MWO pilots, we can tell things as not normal based on the given video.

Edit:
However.. I do feel the number of cheaters in MWO is very low.

Edited by ShinVector, 07 January 2015 - 11:28 PM.

[Ironwithin]

ShinVector, on 07 January 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

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Edit:
However.. I do feel the number of cheaters in MWO is very low.

It probably is.
With all those thousands of matches played I really ever had maybe a handful of moments were I thought something fishy was going on, while in other games that is a somewhat regular thing (in BF4 for example you get at least one obvious cheater every 5th or 6th match).