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[DAEDALOS513]

DEMAX51, on 13 January 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that video was posted by one of the Secret Squirrels who has access to PGI's test servers, and the video was not taken from a game on the live servers.

I found the video.. you can skip to 6:05 and see what happens soon after...

*EDIT - VIDEO WAS NOT HACK BUT PLAYER DISCONNECT

BOOM

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 14 January 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[Bront]

ShinVector, on 12 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

Based on what we have seen so, far in this thread. And yes, I am not a fan of censorship that stops us to getting the analyse the videos of these suspected cheaters.

If the video removed any names involved, they'd be fair game.

[Bront]

Petard, on 13 January 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

Starting your shot a split second before your NOT LIT UP TARGET comes into view, 400m away, where no seismic in the game could possibly alert you to his presence, and hitting him ct for the full remainder of the burn, seems to me to be extremely suspect, especially when it happens multiple times in succession....

Occasionally I can pull off an Anticipation shot. It's hard though. Usually it's when someone's been peaking. That sound suspicious.

[Ironwithin]

DAEDALOS513, on 13 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

I found the video.. you can skip to 6:05 and see what happens soon after...


BOOM

Jeebus F Christ ... why are the obvious cheaters morons AND german ... so much for my national pride.

Edited by Ironwithin, 13 January 2015 - 03:41 PM.

[White Bear 84]

Petard, on 12 January 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

Definitely wallhackers and aimbotters running around at the moment.

Will not do any naming and shaming in any form - leave the hard work up to the devs, but can think of one unit that is starting to get a very bad reputation & have been reported on multiple times... ..by multiple factions and units.

Funny that the one time I mention the game is on twitch is the ONLY time it was an even nearly close match. That and the rest of the team knew who they were up against and opted to not try and out snipe at range...

Still. There are bad eggs out there. But until there is suitable evidence and any claims made are investigated properly there is not much we can do other than to keep documenting and reporting evidence...

Edited by White Bear 84, 13 January 2015 - 03:42 PM.

[ShinVector]

Petard, on 13 January 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

Followed him from behind deliberately in my myst lynx when he turned up on my team, in the battle straight after he ct cored me in my myst lynx with 1 second of exposure, in a place where i had not even taken a single shot yet, and nor had anybody else...thought to self, something fishy here, he got 4 kills 500 dam, nothing special you say, and fair enough, to put it into context, i was spectating 2 of the other guys he killed that battle. Serious tingling in my spider senses

We can only suspect dude. Only way to verify, is to analyse a video cap of a cheaters cockpit.
But doesn't help that for that one guy.. If recall I was usually against him and in general I play to win so, I usually the last guy to die.

That was until a person here post the video of his cockpit that I went... I remember him... It's that guy !

Edit: Just check and realised... That fellar was accused before.. Is a Legendary Founder.. DOH !!

Bront, on 13 January 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

If the video removed any names involved, they'd be fair game.

That would be more trouble than its worth to do.

Edited by ShinVector, 13 January 2015 - 06:15 PM.

[StonedDead]

I've only come across maybe a dozen or so people since closed beta was up that *might* have been cheating.

On the other hand, I've seen people who I could verify were not cheating do things that were simply amazing and didn't think possible.

I wouldn't worry about cheaters too much unless you could 100% verify and it was blatant. I always just chalk it up to exceptional players or dumb luck.

[Blacksoul1987]

ShinVector, on 08 January 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

Lets say someone here used to be a Counter Strike 1.3-1.6 server admin many many eons back.
He used certain things on other people's server just to study and tell the difference between normal play style and cheating.

The tell tale signs remain and a great many of those was mention in Madportos's post about Kid.

A legit very good pilot will still be limited to reacting to what he can see and what he can predict.

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Now lets move on my own video... I am trying to find better one... Still search my shadowplay archive.. May not have saved it.

First of all no your not going to see anything special, infact most.. It is mostly a normal match.
It just one of those 'wtf?', 'Spider sense tingling!' or 'What the heck was that' moments.

No specifics and no names will be mentioned, this is just raw footage with me being on the receiving end of someone.

I near the top of the caldera... My target was the dragon.. But something hits me hard from off screen, while I was trying to keep my Jager hidden and take a quick AC40 Snipe on the Dragon.

I would understand that amount of damage done to me if it was Gauss dual guass or AC40... But those were most likely quad UAC/5s.. Yes.. That felt weird to me at the time because of the weapon type used and the amount of damage done in that very short window. Further more from the attackers perspective, I should have been obscured by the smoke coloumn just like he was to me.. Well done attacker !

I try to get my revenge shot on him. I did my quick up and down Jager snap shot on him.
But ouch... There goes all my head armour and what was left of the CT armour. Again.. What the heck moment.

10mins 30sec -- My own possible headshot on Mr. Cent.. Lol.. Though my first alpha got blackholed.. Meh.. But that on of the tell tale signs of legit players... We lead targets... Don't think bots normally lead targets, normally only they only lock-on to specific points.

OK so when I am in the crater I run night vision on it allows you to see through the smoke. also when you are trying to prey on the dragon and the KGC fires on you notice the sparks he has PPCs not sure what the ballistics are but I saw the sparks from PPCs and the damage is consistent with a variety of ac+ppc combos. and your attempted snapshot was really slow it would not take super human reflexes to hit you. His headshot was likely unintentional he would have rather had all that damage register to your ct.

[Ratpoison]

DAEDALOS513, on 13 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

I found the video.. you can skip to 6:05 and see what happens soon after...


BOOM

Glitch, not hack. He disconnected when he shut down just before the supposed hacking even occurred.

Are we done with this crap now?

[Blacksoul1987]

DAEDALOS513, on 13 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

I found the video.. you can skip to 6:05 and see what happens soon after...


BOOM

lol that's BlueFireMW not a hacker

[DAEDALOS513]

tortuousGoddess, on 14 January 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

Glitch, not hack. He disconnected when he shut down just before the supposed hacking even occurred.

Are we done with this crap now?

You're right, he did disco beforehand. Good catch! Are you saying there are no cheats tho?

[Blacksoul1987]

DAEDALOS513, on 14 January 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

You're right, he did disco beforehand. Good catch! Are you saying there are no cheats tho?

there is a hack with an aimbot I found a website but reading the comments make it seem like its pretty bad

[Ratpoison]

DAEDALOS513, on 14 January 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

You're right, he did disco beforehand. Good catch! Are you saying there are no cheats tho?

The question should instead be how many people are using cheats that work on the current build, and nobody thus far has posted anything that proves that number to be higher than zero. We know that HSR, spectation, third person, hit registration, and other aspects of the game can cause really strange things to happen or appear to happen. 95% of the hacking claims in this topic and outside of it are exactly one of those things bugging out, but people are all too ready to call hacks instead because "well, other people think there are hacks so it must be hacks". Any amount of possible legitimate hacking is outnumbered by false hacking claims a thousand to one around here.

This is the problem with these topics and all this public hacking speculation. Every time someone calls hacks on what is actually just bugs or skill, you get more people who read it and start making the same stupid assumptions when they see something odd. People don't bother to fact check this stuff, and soon you have a whole bunch of people(this topic, for example) who have convinced each other that there are all these hackers and THAT must be why they lose all the time. There are plenty of examples in this very topic, including in response to your video, of people who come in, read two posts, and then go "Oh, that must be why I lost so much yesterday, obviously there are tons of hackers!" It is nothing but hysteria that perpetuates itself, and it's been happening since beta. I'm simply sick of it.

[DAEDALOS513]

tortuousGoddess, on 14 January 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

The question should instead be how many people are using cheats that work on the current build, and nobody thus far has posted anything that proves that number to be higher than zero. We know that HSR, spectation, third person, hit registration, and other aspects of the game can cause really strange things to happen or appear to happen. 95% of the hacking claims in this topic and outside of it are exactly one of those things bugging out, but people are all too ready to call hacks instead because "well, other people think there are hacks so it must be hacks". Any amount of possible legitimate hacking is outnumbered by false hacking claims a thousand to one around here.

This is the problem with these topics and all this public hacking speculation. Every time someone calls hacks on what is actually just bugs or skill, you get more people who read it and start making the same stupid assumptions when they see something odd. People don't bother to fact check this stuff, and soon you have a whole bunch of people(this topic, for example) who have convinced each other that there are all these hackers and THAT must be why they lose all the time. There are plenty of examples in this very topic, including in response to your video, of people who come in, read two posts, and then go "Oh, that must be why I lost so much yesterday, obviously there are tons of hackers!" It is nothing but hysteria that perpetuates itself, and it's been happening since beta. I'm simply sick of it.

Nobody is saying there are tons of hackers and sorry if you think we're being hysterical. Unfortunately for you this is how we educate ourselves, through conversation. You can't be too naive either, many games have gone down due to cheating. I think the purpose of this topic is not only to educate but to keep PGI on its' toes on the matter.

[Vehemens]

While I personally love this game, I think that people here really think it's way bigger than it really is judging from all the "haxxors so ez and errywere" posts going up all the time.

There are people posting in this very thread whom I've personally spectated shooting walls and buldings instead of mechs. I put in a couple hours an evening into this game, I can identify movement and hit it (though not terribly well all the time) from the max range of gauss rifles and CERLL.

So forgive me for watching someone hit a torso at half that distance while zoomed in with heat vision and not assuming hax.

I've watched people 360 turn in mid air and ride lights down with full laser burn to the ground.

Your poking video does not impress me, and if the user in question really needs an aimbot to do that, then...lol.

[Thorqemada]

I have seen Atlas Mechs turn 180° in less than a second - this is not possible but could be simply a product of ping and connection and delayed data and lets be honest - at close ranges MWO is pretty unreliable in things like positioning etc. as the error margin is big enough to produce "Shadow-Targets".

But really - the difference between Winners and Sinners is one Letter.

When i drove Cart-Races at Hobby and Club Level up to National Championships you see People bribe Mechanics, Clerks, even the Organizer, manipulate their as well as other Peoples material, pushing People of the Track, knowing no taboo but to avoid any hard proof and not getting banned in Challenges and Championships where you can earn nothing but some personal satisfaction.
Sometimes it is in the best interest of the Organizer that the Local Hero will look good and they manipulate at own, there are many subtle ways to do so.
In my last season i stopped to drive races at a specific track that had a Race Clerk that was back from Jail and he worked together with some Locals to make them succeed with Flag Signals, Ending Races early or late when the Positioning changed to his likes, giving out bad material like Fuel/Tires that you had to get from the Organizer.

Their mentality is: Winning is priceless!

Edited by Thorqemada, 14 January 2015 - 05:01 PM.

[ShinVector]

Ichen, on 14 January 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

SO, I dont post. I actually hate posting but I made an exception in this case. for those of you who have never seen an aimbot or know what the heck the difference between skill and luck are. This link will help you as it is what an aimbot using pilot sees. Notice the image is relatively new with clan mechs. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Enjoy the truth.

Remove the link dude. If you want to post a pic save it somewhere else but not from the actual cheat site and filter anything that mentions the source.. We don't need more lamers trying this scrap out.

Blacksoul1987, on 14 January 2015 - 05:15 AM, said:

OK so when I am in the crater I run night vision on it allows you to see through the smoke. also when you are trying to prey on the dragon and the KGC fires on you notice the sparks he has PPCs not sure what the ballistics are but I saw the sparks from PPCs and the damage is consistent with a variety of ac+ppc combos. and your attempted snapshot was really slow it would not take super human reflexes to hit you. His headshot was likely unintentional he would have rather had all that damage register to your ct.

Yeah.. Some else already mention the night vision thing which I somehow missed.
Anyway... I only posted this video in response to another video which shows from his cockpit using bots in another match....

DAEDALOS513, on 14 January 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

Nobody is saying there are tons of hackers and sorry if you think we're being hysterical. Unfortunately for you this is how we educate ourselves, through conversation. You can't be too naive either, many games have gone down due to cheating. I think the purpose of this topic is not only to educate but to keep PGI on its' toes on the matter.

Agreed. In the past with IGP in-charge the censorship was so, strong that there no way to discuss the problem. On the other hand though cheats allow these few lamers that want to cheat an edge especially in trades, snipes and 1v1s...
It does NOT make them better pilots.....

Edited by ShinVector, 14 January 2015 - 05:30 PM.

[Darth Mech]

I've played tens of thousands of games, cheats exist, cheats are used, especially wall hacks, less so aim bots, but they are there and are used. If you want to think differently, so what, that doesn't mean they don't exist or are not capable, I see wall hack used nearly every match. Its pathetic. Keep your rose colored blinders on if you want, but PGI doesn't care and even if they did they do not have the technical proficiency to deal with them even if they wanted to.

To answer OP original Q: Nothing. Nothing is happening on PGI side about cheaters, and nothing ever will.

Edited by Darth Mech, 14 January 2015 - 05:33 PM.

[ShinVector]

Darth Mech, on 14 January 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

I've played tens of thousands of games, cheats exist, cheats are used, especially wall hacks, less so aim bots, but they are there and are used. If you want to think differently, so what, that doesn't mean they don't exist or are not capable, I see wall hack used nearly every match. Its pathetic. Keep your rose colored blinders on if you want, but PGI doesn't care and even if they did they do not have the technical proficiency to deal with them even if they wanted to.

To answer OP original Q: Nothing. Nothing is happening on PGI side about cheaters, and nothing ever will.

Hmmmm... I dunno dude... I played over 24 thousand matches myself. I recall only a handful of players doing fishy stuff. (So far the only one confirm that is Kurita dude due to much evidence against him.)
Seismic sensor is a legal wallhack, you have mech stomps, damage states like smoke, uav, indirect targeting, ecm spotting...

A wallhack would be hard to spot unless you consistently die early and happen to see some one consistently shooting that mechs before they even appear in their visible view.
Sounds a bit exaggerated.

Edited by ShinVector, 14 January 2015 - 05:40 PM.

[Ironwithin]

Darth Mech, on 14 January 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

I've played tens of thousands of games, cheats exist, cheats are used, especially wall hacks, less so aim bots, but they are there and are used. If you want to think differently, so what, that doesn't mean they don't exist or are not capable, I see wall hack used nearly every match. Its pathetic. Keep your rose colored blinders on if you want, but PGI doesn't care and even if they did they do not have the technical proficiency to deal with them even if they wanted to.

To answer OP original Q: Nothing. Nothing is happening on PGI side about cheaters, and nothing ever will.

Posts like that are the main reason why there can never be any serious discussion about cheaters ... someone will always come along and yell "CHEATERS EVERYWHERE !" and pull the whole topic down to conspiracy theories and silly memes. Posts like that are the main reason so many people don't even want to look at threads about the subject. It's gonna be full of nutcases QQing anyway.

It is very simple really:
If you feel like there are one or more cheaters in almost every match you play, especially in PUGs - you are simply a bad player and don't want to face it. Easier to blame "dem cheat0rz".


Mind you there are games that are just awash with hackers, MWO is hardly one of those. If it was there'd be way more threads about it and finding cheats would a lot easier.