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[General Bedlam]

We have been waiting for some form of Community Warfare / Succession Wars for a few years now and as the first iteration of the game mode it is a good start. Yes their needs to be more maps (the DEV team have stated this themselves and that they are working on just that). Yes the client is a little unstable at times (the DEV team have stated this themselves and are working on improving it). Yes there is a need for tweaking of the conquest requirements and again I'm sure the DEV team will have been discussing this and know that it needs some work.

This does NOT make CW a failure. It makes it a BETA.


- It is in Beta and it is/was stated as being in Beta.Things will have ups and downs, the client will go through spates of instability as the DEV team play around with adjustments.

- The DEV team are on holiday (you know like the vast majority of us are) and deservedly so, I am sure they will have a team monitoring things, just incase something breaks. However all the bitching/whining and complaining will just be clogging up the comm. lines. Let them have their holiday, I'm sure when they come back they will be going over the data provided by the matches we are playing and they will be able to make adjustments as necessary.

- Some of us are having FPS issues, personally I sit in the 70-80 FPS region regardless of which mode I'm playing. Could it be your hardware isn't up to scratch anymore or is there settings that need adjusting? Yes the game is GPU intensive and sometimes it requires a little teaking of the GPU settings for individual games to get the best or most stable performance.

TL/DR

This is PGi's vision of intergalactic warfare in the BattleTech universe, it is what we have been waiting over a decade for. It has it's flaws but it is still generally good fun.

So play the game, make friends, tweak your builds, learn the maps, have patience and faith. Last but not least (in fact the most important part)

HAVE FUN.

[Daelen Rottiger]

Oh yeah - the "it's in beta thingy"

The game iteself is outta beta for a long time now - but it still feels like a beta title. It is definitly not complete. So here we go having another beta. Lets just see how long this beta goes. Lets just see how many betas are there to come.

Still peeps are having fun which is good - some more, others less.

In my opinion PGI will never catch up to the vision they created of the game if progress goes on as it does. As a MW fan I hope they will prove me wrong, but playing this game since closed beta and watching it develop till now gives me another feeling.

I can still remember this trailer:


"ingame footage" ololol

awww this makes me sad

[xX PUG Xx]

I feel that frustration at times Daelen but surely the progress made in the last 6-8 months is a huge improvement over the previous 16-18 months. The influx of Mechs were necessary for CW to be worthwhile and Drop ships to have some variety for Clan players.

Yeah they need a hell of alot more maps to flesh out the experience but even World of Tanks took about 3 years to get to the point of having a good variety. I do think the Dev's need to look at dynamic maps along the lines of Battlefield 4, that expand as objectives are completed. Or even some mix up with the conquest type resource collection and base assault.

[ztac]

Firstly on the whining and bitching ... depends how you look at it really. You can just shrug it all off as the 'haters going to hate' line of thought or actually think for a second about what people are saying and see if there is actually something in it. Think of the whining and bitching as you put it as constructive criticism even if it hardly seems that way!

As for a progression across maps when attacking and defending .. that would be good instead of X games on one map then X on the other!

[Tastian]

Daelen Rottiger, on 01 January 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

Oh yeah - the "it's in beta thingy"

The game iteself is outta beta for a long time now - but it still feels like a beta title. It is definitly not complete. So here we go having another beta. Lets just see how long this beta goes. Lets just see how many betas are there to come.

Still peeps are having fun which is good - some more, others less.

In my opinion PGI will never catch up to the vision they created of the game if progress goes on as it does. As a MW fan I hope they will prove me wrong, but playing this game since closed beta and watching it develop till now gives me another feeling.

I can still remember this trailer:


"ingame footage" ololol

awww this makes me sad

The Jenner and Atlas are so ugly compared to what is in MWO now. And sadly the Warhammer will never be. And the battle was lame - just a western street draw. I sure wish we had destructible buildings though.

[C E Dwyer]

I've been a beta player here and there my experience of betas has been that once a thing is in beta this is pretty much what you get.

Beta is a balancing and stress testing of the finished product, there are little changes here and there but your being presented with the core product, which can't be changed easily, without taking it offline and rebuilding it.

Additions will come as extra map variation per planet but the basic system of fighting endlessly attack and defend counter attack on the same, map is all we're getting.

The sad thing is if they had just not bothered with special maps with drop ships with respwn( something they felt duty bound to put in place by the screaming of the community) and used the maps they already have to fight over, it would have been a much much better product, and people wouldn't be leaving it faster than a small enclosed room, with a bad smell

Edited by Cathy, 01 January 2015 - 07:19 AM.

[knight-of-ni]

Despite the issues and despite whether or not PGI is justified in calling the game "Beta", I personally am having a lot of fun playing Community Warfare. For me, it provides a nice change from the other games modes.

[Daelen Rottiger]

Maybe it's only my expectation - it's just not the CW I hoped for and it does not keep me playing. It got boring just too fast.

I am playing MWO on a regular basis - and there are good days and bad days to it. But I'd rather play the old game modes somehow.

But hey, that's only my personal opinion. If peeps are having tons of fun go ahead. Anyways... I hope we'll improve CW soon.

[xX PUG Xx]

Aye, I do agree it needs more depth to keep it interesting. Repair and Rearm needs to be revisited, as well as looking at how logistics should or could affect matches. I'm not sure if in-match 'Mech repair/reload was ever discussed but again this could add another angle to the gameplay.

Imagine a map that starts relatively small (something like Forest Colony, the attackers must secure a comm. Station (Conquest style capture of a zone). If they are successful a dropship lands, providing the attackers the ability to rearm and a limited repair of armour (perhaps armour replacement but no lost limbs being replaced? ). The next section of the map opens up, this time larger (Caustic sized). There are two "base" areas to be wiped out (mobile hq's?) Complete with turret defences and a repair rig that the derenders would have been using. Once the hq's are destroyed the attackers are able to use the rigs for field repairs and reloads.

Last objective could be a simple skirmish type affair or a watered down version of the existing Invasion objective.

[Farix]

Daelen Rottiger, on 01 January 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

I can still remember this trailer:


"ingame footage" ololol

awww this makes me sad

An entirely different game with an entirely different game engine. Unreal 3 I believe.

Edit: Fixed Unreal version number

Edited by Farix, 01 January 2015 - 09:41 AM.

[Daelen Rottiger]

Farix, on 01 January 2015 - 09:34 AM, said:

An entirely different game with an entirely different game engine. Unreal 3 I believe.

Edit: Fixed Unreal version number

Have a look at the end - PGI involved though


PUG:

I love ur idea and that's exactly the problem, there are many great ideas around - I am not sure if they are even able to develop such game style in the near future. They still got loads to do with fixing bugs and balance the game as it is.

Edited by Daelen Rottiger, 01 January 2015 - 11:33 AM.

[Farix]

Daelen Rottiger, on 01 January 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

Have a look at the end - PGI involved though

Still doesn't change the fact that it is a different game (MW5) using a different game engine.

[Daelen Rottiger]

Farix, on 01 January 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

Still doesn't change the fact that it is a different game (MW5) using a different game engine.

Does this game even exist? Is it even being developed atm?

[Spare Parts Bin]

CW even with it's flaws is better than most of the previous engagement modes.

[Farix]

Daelen Rottiger, on 01 January 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

Does this game even exist? Is it even being developed atm?

Nope. They couldn't find anyone to finance the game, so they scrapped it.

[JadeTimberwolf]

Daelen Rottiger, on 01 January 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

Does this game even exist? Is it even being developed atm?

MW5 development was pulled after HarmonyGold had a hissyfit over the Warhammer (again) so no not in development.

In honesty the way I look at any MMO is that they are in a constant state of Beta. However as someone pointed out, the "bitching/whining" can easily be viewed as criticism which can be used by developers to see where their system may or may not need improvement.

[xX PUG Xx]

Aye I suppose it depends on the "tone" of the post, for example "This game sucks because I said so" wouldn't be my idea of an objective and helpful review of the state of the game.

It also doesn't help when there are so many threads with such a high content of BS and the OP's rage fuelled opinions without any real attempt at helping to come up with a solution to "real" issues. Complaining that such and such a weapon is over powered without considering the balance toward the rest of the weaponry/situation it was used in or against that player or the fact that the enraged player was standing in the middle of an open area surrounded by six 'Mechs shooting at him.

Sorry just come out of a game where someone was moaning that attacking the enemy base wasn't as simple as just attacking. It's got me wound up a little.

[Navid A1]

I think the level of development capability/capacity/experience could not match their level of initial vision of a MW game. That is why until now, we had a game designed just for testing. like a multiplayer test map intended for in-office testing.

Think of river city... the challenge of building something like that (visually/technically) is leagues apart from the challenge of creating a balanced map suited for live multiplayer mech combat.
That's why we see users posting vids of 15 minute cryengine maps. Because the real challenge is not that. the challenge is the gameplay flow in that map in a multiplayer.

I think same happened with PGI; As soon as they finished a working build of the game they faced a never before seen colossal challenge. multiplayer balance/netcode performance/etc.

I hope that PGI learnt its lessons and we start to see a more amazing MWO. Don't get me wrong though, the game was/is/will be still a lot of fun... even with many sharp edges.


All that aside.... FIX THE DAMN ANIMATIONS ON RECENT MECHS!

[mekabuser]

For me its def NOT a failure since its far better than i could have hoped for. Of course there are things, but we all know that..
Whats right..

well for one, the ferocity of the combat is what Ive always craved for. I was lucky to get in a few great matches right off the bat and I gotta say, the last thing I expected to feel out of MWO was something.. epic.. but thats what i got.. very LOTR, "Is that all you got?"
I never expected "real gates", a real base a real gun etc. N you cant blame me for expecting "less"
my advice ,be creative, and continue in the vein you have set out upon.

BOth maps are pretty damn good with nice terrain , elevation etc,.. Also , VERY importantly, from what ive seen , very little terrain geometries that are fckd up, resulting in fckd up shots being deflected etc.

the community.. So far, Ive seen good stuff including leadership in battle.. very nice..
but that leads to what we need..

For one, leadership is PARAMOUNT , but there is no way to recognize it in game.
I wish there was a way to know who is a good commander and who is the idiot who just throws out ideas willy nilly. W/o experience hard to determine whats what.

Map interface.. and orders.. THe whole thing needs an overhaul.. For one.. how bout a map that stays zoomed.. Or one that follows you.?

auto join.. for single pugs..

More maps, random generator , something.. Please start utilizing cryengine..
and for petes sake..
really..

collision.. not even melee attacks.. Just collision. . For offensive and defensive purposes. Its absence is insulting at this point.

Summation. heading right direction..

[Alex Wolfe]

Remember when MWO was, as closed beta, back in 2012? How mechs were falling down on a slightest brush, how damage would disappear into the void, how people were flying out of the map with infinite jump jets? Those were some crazy times, luckily it was just a beta and they're going to fix it eventually, right? No use complaining.

It's 2015 now (happy new year guys!), the game has been released for a long time, and... the hit registration is still broken, and people are still getting stuck on terrain and falling through the map, and we have no collisions at all, and mechs are teleporting through each other, and some robots have void shield hitboxes that eat up damage. And I'm not talking about Community Warfare, but about the game proper. This driving-shooting mech game core has neither shooting nor driving down yet, after more than three years of development. So I guess sometimes betas don't get fixed after all, huh.

But let's just wait and see, right? This time, it's a NEW beta! It has problems, but they'll fix it... Right?

Riiiiight?



History goes in circles.

Edited by Alex Wolfe, 02 January 2015 - 09:12 AM.