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[Koujo]

Started playing again recently after I saw the quirks mediums received. While it is a step in the right direction I still don't think it's enough. The problem IMO never was a mediums ability to put out DPS. The real problem was the fact that most mediums are as tall as heavies which makes them huge targets without the armor to defend itself with. Lights do not suffer from this and is why they have always fared so well. As an example: http://ecogamer.co.u...rison/index.php

This has always been the case since the early days. The problem really hit critical mass when matches were changed from 8 vs 8 to 12 vs 12 and the maps stayed the same size. This eliminated nearly all flanking opportunities. The only real way to play now is move in one giant death ball and trade shots with enemies face to face, something mediums are terrible at.

So there it is. I may stick around or I may not. Unless they rescale the maps or the mechs or both I don't see anything changing.

[Thorqemada]

There is still no significant niche between Lights and Heavys that Mediums can settle in...

[Davers]

PGI should take the concept of Role Warfare and really run with it, even if it has to trample on lore a bit. Mechs really NEED a niche for themselves, and mediums rate as 'weak heavies'. It doesn't help that mediums are really diverse as a class- hence the 'jack of all trades' moniker.

Honestly, I think there is way too much leeway with practically everything in MW:O and the game would be much better if there were far more restrictions and specializations. For example, I would like to see their concepts of Brawler, Support, and Harrier (I think that is the 3rd category?) more fleshed out by themselves and having quirks of their own on top of individual mech quirks. Plus I would like to see a lot more objectives in each mission (even Skirmish) as well. I could only hope to see the day when a team actually could say "We need a Medium Brawler for this situation".

[FupDup]

B-b-b-b-but 55 ton mech size.

[Brody319]

This should probably be titled "The Medium class hasn't changed much"

but at least you see a lot more mediums in CW.

[mogs01gt]

IMO Mediums has changed a lot since before the quirks. CN9-AHs are some of the nasty mechs in the game.

[Davers]

mogs01gt, on 02 January 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

IMO Mediums has changed a lot since before the quirks. CN9-AHs are some of the nasty mechs in the game.

Yeah, all the mediums with AC/20 buffs are nasty. Backing up a Direwolf in my Hunchback 4G? Priceless.

[Brody319]

Davers, on 02 January 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

Yeah, all the mediums with AC/20 buffs are nasty. Backing up a Direwolf in my Hunchback 4G? Priceless.

mogs01gt, on 02 January 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

IMO Mediums has changed a lot since before the quirks. CN9-AHs are some of the nasty mechs in the game.

Give 'em the Wang!

[RazorbeastFXK3]

I looked up images for heights of 'mechs and came across this
http://s12.postimg.o...59571251712.jpg

In Mechwarrior 3 I found a booklet (some pages are missing so I'll have to find those later) that lists the height of 'mechs in that game.

Avatar (70T)= 14m
Black Hawk (50T)= 12m
Bushwacker (55T)= 12m
Cauldron-Born (65T)= 13m
Champion (60T)= 13.5m
Daishi (100T)= 15.5m
Firefly (30T)= 11m
Mad Cat (75T)= 15m
Orion (75T)= 15.5m
Owens (35T)= 11.5m
Puma (35T)= 10m
Shadow Cat (45T)= 12m
Strider (40T)=12m
Sunder (90T)= 15m
Supernova (90T)= 14m
Thor (70T)= 15.5m

The height of the 'mechs does seem a bit weird but then there's the thickness (both body size and total width) of the 'mechs that come into play where some are thin from front to back but wide as all hell from left arm to right arm.

I've been running around in my Trebuchet and it sometimes amazes me how much I tower over other 'mechs when I walk by them.

[Koujo]

Davers, on 02 January 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

Yeah, all the mediums with AC/20 buffs are nasty. Backing up a Direwolf in my Hunchback 4G? Priceless.

It's still trading shots to the face though. Time it wrong and you'll lose that AC20 quick. I'd much rather flank.

[Davers]

Koujo, on 02 January 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

It's still trading shots to the face though. Time it wrong and you'll lose that AC20 quick. I'd much rather flank.

Of course. I am sure the DW pilot didn't realize he could melt my RT faster than I could core him out or he would have stayed. But sometimes psychological warfare overrides the facts.

[Thorqemada]

Piloting a Medium is still a matter of taste and not a matter of chosing a proper solution - i have nothing against taste, i do most matches in Mediums despite knowing i could do better.

Edited by Thorqemada, 02 January 2015 - 06:00 PM.

[ZeroJee]

hi

[Davers]

ZeroJee, on 02 January 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

hi

Ummm…hello.

[ZeroJee]

Davers, on 02 January 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

Ummm…hello.

lol sorry, I was testing something... off topic -- but how the heck do i change my forum avatar?

[FupDup]

ZeroJee, on 02 January 2015 - 06:20 PM, said:

lol sorry, I was testing something... off topic -- but how the heck do i change my forum avatar?

You need to select a faction in-game.

[ZeroJee]

FupDup, on 02 January 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

You need to select a faction in-game.

Thought I did, at any rate - thanks!

[Cyborne Elemental]

Sorry to stop you, and Ima let you finish, but the Hunchbacks are kicking the most ass of all time, OF ALL TIME!.

[Brody319]

Mister D, on 02 January 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

Sorry to stop you, and Ima let you finish, but the Hunchbacks are kicking the most ass of all time, OF ALL TIME!.

More like the Grind Iron am I right?

[Vassago Rain]

The tragedy of giant robots.