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[Joseph Mallan]

Metus regem, on 05 January 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

MeiSo, I did die a lot when I first started, since I did not know what I was doing, fast forward 6/7 months later, and now I know where cover is, and I can get my Dire Wolf, the slowest mech in the game, out of LRM bombardments with out much work.

So I would say it just takes time and practice.

So... Politely, Learn to play???

[MeiSooHaityu]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 January 2015 - 05:25 AM, said:

Then the pilot isn't Driving the Assault right MeiSoo. I am that lumbering Assault pilot ans I get out of the rain fairly easy. Unless I am out it the open.

Oh, I am Definitely not an Assault pilot. I really dislike Assaults (I must have been the WORST Steiner ever lol).

If I had more practice with them, I'd probably get better (but I dont think I would ever really care for them).

Basically like you pointed out. LRMs become less of a problem with practice and experience.

[Metus regem]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 January 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

So... Politely, Learn to play???

More or less, just sounds a bit nicer and less elitiest condescending jerkish...

[MikeBend]

Ever tried asking your ECM mechs to stay and cover assaults? Thats what i do most of the time in my RVN-3L. Oh yeah, and its got LRM10 pod too just to add to the rain.

[FupDup]

[Mercules]

RiggsIron, on 04 January 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

"oh look another LRM thread" - yeah because its still stupid and unfun the way its set up. So enjoy.

Step 1. L2P
Step 2. All but ignore LRMs as they become a nuisance not a problem.

I am a Light/Medium pilot learning to use Assaults for CW(all that wasted tonnage needs to go somewhere). Every Assault I build has AMS to soften LRM's blow and I have learned how to use the cover I've always used, with a much slower and taller mech. I don't think I've died or been seriously crippled yet from LRMs in my Assaults.

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Reason you don't see ECM all that much in BT is because its not that great. Its much better in this game than in BT. So, if we make ECM as meh as it is in TT, then sure, ECM for everyone!

Edited by Mirumoto Izanami, 05 January 2015 - 06:52 AM.

[Bobzilla]

There is a huge divide. Lrms are too good vs Lrms are useless.

There is no divide about how valuable ECM is.

The problem is with ECM not LRMS.

If every mech could take ECM, LRMS/tag/narc/bap would just be buffed way up.

People aren't lying with they say you can deal with them easily with experience, hang in there. It takes knowing the maps and usual enemy behavior, not just piloting.

[Mad Strike]

RiggsIron, on 04 January 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

I mean thats what people always tell you when someone complains about (solo queue) LRMs ...just use ECM and AMS - oh and use cover? Well since players cant add walls and stuff as they walk around a map that only has a small amount of cover against LRMs - ECM seems easier.

Something like half of all matches have 3-4 LRM boats - and getting half your armor stripped in 5 seconds by a group of boats you can't even see is fun right?

So? Let all mechs stock countermeasures if they want.

And by AMS I mean triple or at least double, since a single one is just a hair under useless against 100-150 missiles all coming at once.

Course they might need a buff after - like say being able to direct fire without them slamming into the ground without a lock.

Then since they get a buff take away the stupidly unbalanced ability to lock onto targets using other players locks, as opposed to only being able to direct fire onto a NARC target or if another ally is actively Tagging the enemy.

I mean...when mechs lack even basic technology like rear view cameras or mirrors having sophisticated targeting tech seems out of place. If that was the case - then why not just have everyone use artillery and airstrikes be able to attack any target? Cause that would be the same kind of technology...

"oh look another LRM thread" - yeah because its still stupid and unfun the way its set up. So enjoy.

More stupid is not doing something about it by yourself

I DID IT
Equip Adv. Seismic Sensor module , Radar Deprivation module , SRM6 Cooldown module 5 , Medium Laser Cooldown module 5 and you'll be fine.

P.D: Go for the Stalkers side torsos first.

[Mercules]

Bobzilla, on 05 January 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

There is a huge divide. Lrms are too good vs Lrms are useless.

There is no divide about how valuable ECM is.

The problem is with ECM not LRMS.

If every mech could take ECM, LRMS/tag/narc/bap would just be buffed way up.

People aren't lying with they say you can deal with them easily with experience, hang in there. It takes knowing the maps and usual enemy behavior, not just piloting.

Well the cool parts of ECM aren't even avoiding LRMS. Slowing down the details when they are scanning you can be a great advantage as well as hiding your "contact" when they are just scanning around. Many people will miss even large groups of mechs when the "taco" doesn't pop up for them.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mercules, on 05 January 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

Well the cool parts of ECM aren't even avoiding LRMS. Slowing down the details when they are scanning you can be a great advantage as well as hiding your "contact" when they are just scanning around. Many people will miss even large groups of mechs when the "taco" doesn't pop up for them.

That's why I have been equipping all my mechs with UAVs lately. I can team chat enemy positions all day and my team has a 50% or less chance of actually paying attention (especially when the enemy is flanking under ECM coverage). However, pop up an UAV and make the red Dorritos appear on Radar and in their view, and the teams response is MUCH better.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

627, on 05 January 2015 - 02:00 AM, said:

That is wrong.


For the Lurm boat matches... be happy that LRMs are a thing in our elo bracket. Get better and you'll see fewer LRMs but more meta builds with pinpoint alpha from 30 to 60 damage.

LRMs are a valid weapon in this game like all others. Don't complain and adapt.

I'm not complaining, I play the LRM game half the time. I'm just saying, if he's getting annoyed of LRMs, he should start using AMS

[Galenit]

RiggsIron, on 04 January 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

So? Let all mechs stock countermeasures if they want.

Ok,
but only if we have tt ecm and the tt narc function.

That you want every mech with ecm and double or triple ams and only direct locks but only maybe buffing lrms after that says a lot about your skill against missiles ..

Edited by Galenit, 06 January 2015 - 01:57 AM.

[Triordinant]

Praetor Knight, on 04 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

I'd rather just get direct fire only LRMs, maybe a speed boost as necessary and a decrease of impulse.

Or limit Lock-On: can't see a mech yourself, don't have a Spotter using TAG or UAV / NARC then you can't get a missile lock.

This is by far the best solution.

[Mercules]

Triordinant, on 06 January 2015 - 03:02 AM, said:

This is by far the best solution.

So then the weapon systems we have are:
Direct fire projectile FLD
Direct fire hitscan burn over time
Direct fire close range scatter
direct fire long range scatter

Brilliant.... (<- that would be sarcasm)

[Lily from animove]

Bobzilla, on 05 January 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

There is a huge divide. Lrms are too good vs Lrms are useless.

There is no divide about how valuable ECM is.

The problem is with ECM not LRMS.

If every mech could take ECM, LRMS/tag/narc/bap would just be buffed way up.

People aren't lying with they say you can deal with them easily with experience, hang in there. It takes knowing the maps and usual enemy behavior, not just piloting.

but people currently complain about too lwo ttk's so wouldn't that solve a lot problems?
if everyone could sue an ecm, an it only would work on their own mech, this would:

make everyone sepnd a ton on ecm. (less peww pew more higher ttk)
most people use a bap/tag narc to counter it (even less peww peww and higher ttk)

looks like it would have a lot more positive sideffects.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Mercules, on 06 January 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

Brilliant.... (<- that would be sarcasm)

LRMs are all or nothing right now, and not very effective unless boated right now anyway. That screams it needs attention to me.

And aren't you tired of seeing Assaults spamming LRMs and often from the back ranks somewhere? I am. So I could live with making LRMs Dead Fire as a quick short-term fix. It works for SRMs so why not? Better than giving everything more AMS and ECM anyway.

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Nevertheless, I what I do prefer having is:

• Ballistics -
  Need to Lead moving Targets (and I'd fix MGs while we're at it, they're currently Hitscan)
  
  
• Lasers -
  Need to hold beam on Target for duration
  
  
• Missiles -
  Need to acquire LOS Lock, and then we could consider allowing them to be fire and forget, or have Missiles Track the Crosshair / Reticle.
  
  This way we also have the main difference between Streak and non-Streak being: losing Lock prevents Streak lock, not where non-Streak is simply Dead Fire

[Kassatsu]

Praetor Knight, on 04 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

I'd rather just get direct fire only LRMs, maybe a speed boost as necessary and a decrease of impulse.



Or limit Lock-On: can't see a mech yourself, don't have a Spotter using TAG or UAV / NARC then you can't get a missile lock.

I'd like to try these out, but adding more AMS slots is possible, the X-5 doesn't have any right now for example.

Add c3 slave/master systems. One or more mechs in the lance needs the master, the rest need the slave. You can then share target locks for LRMs and the like without direct line of sight if someone else in your lance does have line of sight.

More convoluted mechanics for an already impossible to understand game that punches every new player in the stomach and then steals their wallet!

Edited by Kassatsu, 06 January 2015 - 01:04 PM.

[CocoaJin]

LRMs are a tactical nuisance, that is all. If you are worth your salt, they should rarely be a major threat, and dying mainly due to LRM should be even more rare...unless you ain't that good.

I've begun taking AMS off some of my builds...its just not needed all that much. When I do bring AMS is more to protect the Fatties I tend to chubby chase in support.

Edited by CocoaJin, 06 January 2015 - 10:23 PM.

[Brody319]

properly reward ECM and AMS and you will get the LRM cover you need. No c-bill advantage to bringing an ECM mech to pugs and CW. CW they know where you are coming and are probably using lasers, ppc, and gauss so it wont help. seriously why would I want to bring an ECM mech when I could bring one with more firepower? I mean most lights only mount it because they have the space but not because they are going to change the fate of the battle.