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[Ace Selin]

So the Clans use the Stormcrow a lot. Nice tonnage, a lot of lethal options, from the SRM6, laserboat & Streak version that decimates IS lights. Clearly this is creating bad gameplay, that the Clans use this mech so much and to so good effect, especially against light mechs. Surely this needs to be fixed. Nerf the Crow so that Streaks have an extra 5 sec lock time for each shot, so SRM6 can only stagger fire never more than 1 shot at a time.

This will bring more variety to Clan drop decks I believe.

Edited by Ace Selin, 07 January 2015 - 10:07 PM.

[Jolly Llama]

As with all other nerf threads, stop whining and fight.

[Andi Nagasia]

-raises hand-(to ask a question)

um sir, Ace?
do the clans have another Medium that is available for C-bills,
preferably one that isnt prone to massive over heating in its default builds?

i didnt think so,

the Ice-Ferret is Ok but its not out to the public yet,
and also it doesnt have the Tonnage or hardpoints to make it amazing,
its fast, but most IS light Pilots know they can out brawl it,

and the Nova is good dont get me wrong,
i love my Nova, but after the great Clan Energy Nerf,
its abit hard to stay cool and not over heat, i said Hard not imposable,
but it really takes allot away from it, when a mech is designed to be a brawler,
and you cant use the default NVA-P to actually brawl because it over heats,

so Clanners have 3 mediums available to them,
the Nova= mostly an energy boat that runs too hot to Boat energy, large for a medium,
the StormCrow= has a good balance between Missile and energy hardpoints, good hitboxes,
the IceFerret= not to much tonnage or hardpoints but is fast, also not yet available for C-bills yet,
so Clanners dont have much of a choice on what they can bring,

[Davers]

Both sides use the same argument, and neither is happy with the other's answer-"I will use X mech until something better comes along". It doesn't matter how many mechs there are in game, people will use what they consider 'the best'. The entire idea of forcing diversity is flawed because people will not run inferior mechs if they have any choice. So it doesn't matter how many bad mediums the Clan have- they have the Stormcrow and do not need to use any of the other ones. Just like the IS have Thunderbolts and Firestarters. Maybe the quirks will change and another mech will be considered 'the best' and everyone will run 4 identical AC/5 Dragons or something. But people are not going to switch to mechs that they consider lacking, which is most mechs in BOTH tech trees.

[MikeBend]

Am i the only one to see all the sarcasm in the OP post? Dont you people see how this is a parody of "Thunderbolts create bad gameplay" thread?

In responce to the Davers - i, for example do like to play some inferior mechs. I will prefer my RVN-2x to a firestarter any day, you know why? Because FS looks ugly to me. There, i have said it I like to play mechs that please my eye So variety is good. I only wish we had more clan mechs, shooting TW, DW and SCR match after match gets boring.

Edited by MikeBend, 07 January 2015 - 10:47 PM.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Well the streakcrow is the only viable anti-Firestarter build since they can soak more damage than a Dire Wolf or Atlas.

Annoying? Yes

Threat? Only if you dont have any armor left.

That FS-9A has jump jets...USE THEM

[Vanguard836]

OP if you're serious, fine you're entitled to your opinion, otherwise do we really need another nerf XYZ thread going to make sure people start flipping out more ? Could bring the same points to one of the other topics.

[Thorqemada]

Imho you can do Mad Dog too with stupid Alphas in the 90s...

[MechaBattler]

[NephyrisX]

I love how few notice the sarcasm in the tone of the OP.

8/10 Great attempt

[Sarlic]

Cookiemonter669, on 07 January 2015 - 10:46 PM, said:

Well the streakcrow is the only viable anti-Firestarter build since they can soak more damage than a Dire Wolf or Atlas.

Annoying? Yes

Threat? Only if you dont have any armor left.

That FS-9A has jump jets...USE THEM

I agree. Their damage soaking compared to the Atlas is insane.

[pwnface]

Davers, on 07 January 2015 - 10:39 PM, said:

Both sides use the same argument, and neither is happy with the other's answer-"I will use X mech until something better comes along". It doesn't matter how many mechs there are in game, people will use what they consider 'the best'. The entire idea of forcing diversity is flawed because people will not run inferior mechs if they have any choice. So it doesn't matter how many bad mediums the Clan have- they have the Stormcrow and do not need to use any of the other ones. Just like the IS have Thunderbolts and Firestarters. Maybe the quirks will change and another mech will be considered 'the best' and everyone will run 4 identical AC/5 Dragons or something. But people are not going to switch to mechs that they consider lacking, which is most mechs in BOTH tech trees.

Not everyone always agrees on what the "best" mech / loadout is though. A lot of players think the TDR-9S is the "best" inner sphere mech right now, but I don't use one in my deck and I have a fantastic track record in CW so far.

[Serpieri]

Nova is good at only 1 job - overheating. Stormcrow is the only viable choice atm.

[Koniks]

pwnface, on 07 January 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

Not everyone always agrees on what the "best" mech / loadout is though. A lot of players think the TDR-9S is the "best" inner sphere mech right now, but I don't use one in my deck and I have a fantastic track record in CW so far.

Team skill and strategy do matter.

[Otto Cannon]

Nice try, OP, but there's too much derp on this forum to attempt deadpan sarcasm.

[Sarlic]

OP still has a point.

[Golden Vulf]

Can the Nova take upgrades to increase the avalable tonnage, can it take a faster engine than the 250?

Can the Ice Ferret drop the 360 engine down to take more weapons?

The Stormcrow doesn't have a single quirk that reduces heat, decreases cooldown, or extends the range of weapons. It can't put any heatsinks inside the engine to free up crit space, even though it has room for 3. Taking the Prime head for the 7th energy hard point reduces the armor by 10% because of a negative quirk. It can't take jump jets even though by the rules it should be able to.

It has to use clan energy weapons that have had their pinpoint damage ability blunted, as well as causing 20% more heat than they are supposed to.

The Stormcrow is a 55 ton mech that has a smaller engine than the 45 ton mech we have available so it has room for more firepower; unlike the Nova, it has upgrades and no locked heatsinks or jumpjets, so we can make full use of the weight. Its flaws would be the inability to take a smaller engine, and not being able to put heatsinks in the engine, besides the armor penalty and lack of crit space.

In short, because it doesn't suck as bad as the other 2 mediums, it is over powered.

Sarlic, on 08 January 2015 - 01:41 AM, said:

OP still has a point.

Only if you count the one on top of his head.

Edited by Golden Vulf, 08 January 2015 - 01:56 AM.

[Zolaz]

If you are running a build in a Nova that over heats ... you are doing it wrong. But then, bad pilots make bad decisions.

[Lily from animove]

lol, no and yes, tbr > scr, I have 2 timbers in my dropdeck and one stormcrow

SCR and TBR are an issue for the balance and variety on clanside because they make many other choices obsolete. yes you can bring another clanmech, but thats more like gimping yourself. and CW is not the environment to gimp yourself.

@Andi, heat is the least problem of the Nova, if you are wide as an atlas, slow as an clanheavy and squishy like a medium. You don't need to go with 12 lasers, but even 12 lasers are manageable in heat. But having thewost hitboxes of all mediums is just the doom of the Nova. Its like the Dragon before the quirkening. But heat is only a problem for pilots who are impatient. If you can't manage your heat, either drop lasers and add heatsinks, or just lern to manage your heat.

The hunchback became a "hunchbuff" because it was said to be too big, LOL. compared to the Novas Torso size the hunchback is a slim guy.

Edited by Lily from animove, 08 January 2015 - 02:50 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Stormcrow? Thought the Thunderbolt...

PGI could i have a Thundercrow or a Stormbolt?