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[CycKath]

Kevjack, on 09 January 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

Vindis are Liao mechs. They'll probably do a different faction each week, so you'll get your chance soon.

True, but there was also mention in TT that the Capellans "gifted" some of their remaining "beloved" Vindicator 1AA's to the Republic upon its formation.

But then the factional sales have rarely listened too strongly to TT lore.

[Ovion]

BadCat MK IX, on 09 January 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com/clock

That's handy and all, but it only has MWO time, canada time, german time and australia time.

Hence you can figure out the hour of your location using WorldClock a lot easier.

Debating if I want to buy more sale mechs for C-Bills, or save them for King Crabs.....

[Alaskan Nobody]

Ovion, on 09 January 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

That's handy and all, but it only has MWO time, canada time, german time and australia time.

Hence you can figure out the hour of your location using WorldClock a lot easier.

On the other hand - if you cannot look at that clock.
Look at your local time (you DO have a clock on your PC, right???)
And figure out the difference.....
(IE: game time is an hour off from my time)

I am not sure I can trust you at my back in a match.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 09 January 2015 - 12:23 PM.

[Kali Rinpoche]

We there goes the 45M cbills I was saving for the Vulture! I was just thinking last week, it would be great if the C-Bill sales came back and viola! Time to buy and finally level the Mediums I have left to Master. Trench buckets and Wolverines! Hmm, may even rebuy the Stalkers I sold when I first started playing.

Love these C-Bill sales! I would love to see at least 2 mechs every sales cycle on sale for -% C-Bills. I think this would really help new players!

Edited by Kali Rinpoche, 09 January 2015 - 12:25 PM.

[Ovion]

Shar Wolf, on 09 January 2015 - 12:22 PM, said:

On the other hand - if you cannot look at that clock.
Look at your local time (you DO have a clock on your PC, right???)
And figure out the difference.....
(IE: game time is an hour off from my time)

I am not sure I can trust you at my back in a match.

I also have a second clock set in my systray so I don't need to.
But it's for those that need the help.

[Greenjulius]

So no event this weekend? I'm okay with that... the c-bill savings will add up to probably over 10 million if I pick up 3 or 4 mechs. Plus, no pressure to pick up all the rewards... there aren't any!

[ice trey]

Hey PGI, nice to see you're doing the faction sales again.

However, last time you did a faction sale, the Kurita sale had a bunch of mechs on the list that had me confused. The Raven, for example, as no place in the Kurita roster, while some other designs that should have been there were completely absent.

Have yourself a peek at this post (With references) that I put up in the House Kurita board. Wall of text, but there's a "tl;dr" towards the end.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4028050

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Zekido, on 09 January 2015 - 05:41 AM, said:

I'd love a challenge for an additional Mech bay.

Can never have enough Mechbays!!!

[Brother MEX]

Spent some spare MC from the Stocking stuffer tournament for a Dreamcatcher

[TripleEhBeef]

Hmm, I have a dilemma. I want to master the Orions, but I've been saving for the M because I really need an XL300 in the garage. I only have one Orion in the bay now.

But now the K is on sale... So, should I spend half my savings now on the K, or should I keep grinding and wait for the Marik sale and buy both?

And to top it off, you put the COM-2D on sale. It's the one Cbill Commando I've yet to pick up, and I have an engine for it.

[Goose of Prey]

If I buy a mech (say the 9s) and it receives a nerf to it's current quirk, can I get a refund?

Really PGI, Russ has hinted at a 9s change in his twitter feed. Selling them without telling people the mech is due for some serious changes is IGP style of move.

I would like to get some dragons, but if they are going to get the nerf hammer, I will wait.

Or does this sale mean all of these mechs are operating at intended?

[Ovion]

TripleEhBeef, on 10 January 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Hmm, I have a dilemma. I want to master the Orions, but I've been saving for the M because I really need an XL300 in the garage. I only have one Orion in the bay now.

But now the K is on sale... So, should I spend half my savings now on the K, or should I keep grinding and wait for the Marik sale and buy both?

And to top it off, you put the COM-2D on sale. It's the one Cbill Commando I've yet to pick up, and I have an engine for it.

Is cheaper to buy the one on sale + the XL 300, or wait to get the one with the XL300? I'd say that's your answer.

Goose of Prey, on 10 January 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

If I buy a mech (say the 9s) and it receives a nerf to it's current quirk, can I get a refund?

Really PGI, Russ has hinted at a 9s change in his twitter feed. Selling them without telling people the mech is due for some serious changes is IGP style of move.

I would like to get some dragons, but if they are going to get the nerf hammer, I will wait.

Or does this sale mean all of these mechs area operating at intended?

you buy any mech knowing it's subject to change based on overall balance of the game.

This is a standard disclaimer on all purchases.
If you only want it because it's the flavour of the month, due to exploiting a zealous balance change that will be fixed at some point, that's your problem.

Buy it because you like it, or accept a finite lifespan on its current imbalance if that's the only reason you want it.

[Wintersdark]

Ovion, on 10 January 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

Is cheaper to buy the one on sale + the XL 300, or wait to get the one with the XL300? I'd say that's your answer.

you buy any mech knowing it's subject to change based on overall balance of the game.

This is a standard disclaimer on all purchases.
If you only want it because it's the flavour of the month, due to exploiting a zealous balance change that will be fixed at some point, that's your problem.

Buy it because you like it, or accept a finite lifespan on its current imbalance if that's the only reason you want it.

This.

You buy the balance outliers (and I include Timberwolves in this) you do so with the knowledge that they _will_ be nerfed at some point, maybe dramatically. Balance is constantly changing in a game like this, and loadouts that may be great now may be terrible tomorrow.

Its like this in *every* online game.

[Big Tin Man]

Ovion, on 10 January 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

Is cheaper to buy the one on sale + the XL 300, or wait to get the one with the XL300? I'd say that's your answer.

you buy any mech knowing it's subject to change based on overall balance of the game.

This is a standard disclaimer on all purchases.
If you only want it because it's the flavour of the month, due to exploiting a zealous balance change that will be fixed at some point, that's your problem.

Buy it because you like it, or accept a finite lifespan on its current imbalance if that's the only reason you want it.

Exactly this. Now that said, PGI support is known for giving players a refund for exactly ONE whoops per account. I wouldnt waste my one do over on a cbill mech that I had a feeling was going to be nerfed in the future anyway. This is why I still don't own Timmie's.

That said I bought all 3 dragons last night

Edited by Big Tin Man, 10 January 2015 - 08:41 AM.

[TripleEhBeef]

Ovion, on 10 January 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

Is cheaper to buy the one on sale + the XL 300, or wait to get the one with the XL300? I'd say that's your answer.

Well, buying the K and a separate XL300 costs about 9mil.

Buying the M with the XL included when it goes on for 35% off will cost 7mil.

I think I know my answer


And I have enough free cash to snatch up that COM-2D I want.

[Goose of Prey]

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you buy any mech knowing it's subject to change based on overall balance of the game.

Granted. However, the level of change is the issue here. Gaming companies over powering units then nerfing them down to almost useless levels is an old practice and I call them on it every chance I get. A slight change is normal, a large change is a failure of the company to play test correctly. I don't pay people to fix their mistakes on my dime.

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This is a standard disclaimer on all purchases.

Not this time. The CEO has already said that a change is coming to this product. Not acknowledging it is akin to a " bait and switch" scam.

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If you only want it because it's the flavour of the month, due to exploiting a zealous balance change that will be fixed at some point, that's your problem.

Why I buy a thing is my business, not anyone else's. I by a product I expect it to work month #2 as it did day 1. If a company can't do that, then the issue is between the company and myself. This is why I asked the question about a refund in the first place. You know, before I buy the mechs.

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Buy it because you like it, or accept a finite lifespan on its current imbalance if that's the only reason you want it.

Why would I like/buy something if it's function is going to change, in an unknown way, shortly after I buy it? That's just silly, and suggesting I accept PGI's lack of disclosure in this instance borders on "white knighting" for PGI.

Not accepting things as they are, asking for better value for my dollar, and insisting on guaranteed level of performance is not whining or entitlement as some on this board insist it is. Being vocal about value is a vital part of the free market economy. Good business requires knowledgeable consumers.

[Mercarryn]

Well, that sales-action comes in quite handy for me. Though I haven saved many c-bills and I only have the 4 stock mechbays, I could not resist and get me a BNC-3E, saved me the time to grind enough c-bills

Thanks for this, PGI

[Big Tin Man]

Hey goose, can you name a single online game that doesn't have a standard disclaimer warning that balance changes may be made at any time, and may effect your in game purchases, regardless if it was real cash or game currency?

No?

This happens throughout the industry. It is not an MWO specific thing. It's not white knighting, it is understanding the industry and how massive online games work.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Big Tin Man, on 10 January 2015 - 11:28 AM, said:

This happens throughout the industry. It is not an MWO specific thing. It's not white knighting, it is understanding the industry and how massive online games work.

Yes - but then could not whine about it.

[Ovion]

Goose of Prey, on 10 January 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Granted. However, the level of change is the issue here. Gaming companies over powering units then nerfing them down to almost useless levels is an old practice and I call them on it every chance I get. A slight change is normal, a large change is a failure of the company to play test correctly. I don't pay people to fix their mistakes on my dime.

Then don't pay.

Goose of Prey, on 10 January 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Not this time. The CEO has already said that a change is coming to this product. Not acknowledging it is akin to a " bait and switch" scam.

Not really.
It's public knowledge.
Additionally, it's known that all products are liable to change.
This isn't a bait-and-switch, it's all on the table, and the product offered is available.

"A Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales but also employed in other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by merchants' advertising products or services at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar, but higher priced items ("switching")."
None of that applies here.

Goose of Prey, on 10 January 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Why I buy a thing is my business, not anyone else's. I by a product I expect it to work month #2 as it did day 1. If a company can't do that, then the issue is between the company and myself. This is why I asked the question about a refund in the first place. You know, before I buy the mechs.

And the answer is, the info is on the table.

Also yes, why you buy it is your problem, but in a game where there's a disclaimer that performance and abilities are prone to change, then wanting it to stay exactly the same, complaining it won't stay the same is childish, especially if you want it to stay that way to abuse it.

Hence why I said, buy because you want the mech, not because you want the flavour of the month, which is liable to change
If you do want to buy the flavour of the month mech to cash in on the current balance issues, understand it won't stay that way, and there'll be a new FOTM later.

Goose of Prey, on 10 January 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Why would I like/buy something if it's function is going to change, in an unknown way, shortly after I buy it? That's just silly, and suggesting I accept PGI's lack of disclosure in this instance borders on "white knighting" for PGI.

Not accepting things as they are, asking for better value for my dollar, and insisting on guaranteed level of performance is not whining or entitlement as some on this board insist it is. Being vocal about value is a vital part of the free market economy. Good business requires knowledgeable consumers.

I agree, I've complained about costs myself, and still do.

The reason it's liable to change is in the interests of balance equalising the performance of all mechs, to make it skill based.
This isn't a lack of disclosure, it's a known disclaimer.

Complaining that stats are liable to change, and that's an unknown factor, when it's a standard disclaimer, is just nonsense.

I'm not one to blindly defend something, I just don't care for such foolishness.