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[whitelightshadow]

Wow when you think this game is getting somewhere.

Now it seems that in every game there is STRANGE happenings in CW....

Head shots when your back is turned.
Amazing and impossible kill shot... while behind cover????
Turrents that only target certain players.
Mechs that refuses to take damage even when the HUD show they are being hit.
Mechs that seems to know where where you are no matter how far you are apart and behind cover.
Mechs that get rubberbanded in one spot when in contact with enemy mechs, that is ONLY with enemy mechs.

But my favourate, Weapons that do not miss no matter the distance or how fast you move or they are moving... Especially head shots....

O, also worth mentioning: Gauss rifles that seems to be indestructable.... Even if you are hitting them with an alpha strike that will sink a Atlas.

We all do know what is happening and it is getting way too much now... It is ruining the game and people like myself will rather go play with pugs than play CW.

I also want to cheat, BUT I will not sink so low to make myself or my team look good by cheating... keep your cheats, I will rather be honest and keep my integrity, even if it means losing...

Edited by whitelightshadow, 09 January 2015 - 07:05 PM.

[Ironwithin]

So you want to cheat but you don't want to cheat ?
Make up your mind already an then go play something else.
Don't forget to pick up your complimentary tinfoil hat on the way out, though.

[knight-of-ni]

post video or it didn't happen....
(grabs the bowl of popcorn from Marack Drock)

[Darkthor]

I've had 6(SIX) 1000+ games in the last month, my average is about 600+ dmg per game, and my last 4 months kda is around 3:1.
I wanted to do a small separation between you and me with this bragging section ,because I wanted to show you that there are decent players/and there are way way better players than most of us...

Oh,and I play with 140 ms ping.And no,I dont play thunderbolt or laser vomit, i play a dual gauss mech.
And the gauss blows up regularly to just 1 smlas.


And yet, in all these months, I never recall getting so angry and frustrated as you about cheaters.I don't say there aren't, every game online has, i am sure of it, but this game has far far far less.
And yes, i have from time to time wipeouts ( 0-12, or 1-12)

And I don't cheat.Never did.
Sometimes i even stream, if the internet behaves.

What we see here is just your regular case of "they are destroying us , they must cheat" when actually You are prolly just a poor PUG that decides to ____ (feel free to choose what applies to you from the list below):

1.never has a UAV/arty mounted on his mech/never checks enemy uavs,never kills them
2.doesnt move his ammo lower/center from arms
3. drops below 80% armor points on his mech,
4. does useless-an-odd/crappy/hot as hell non-meta builds, because he is a special snowflake and meta is for idiots
5.goes with med-heavy-assault to scout
6.goes scouting with light without ecm/jj's / <100km/h internal engine
7.has no idea what endo armor/Double heat sinks are/never uses them (too expensive)
8.has a very brightly colored mech, which can be seen from 2km away
9.goes in solo vs 2+ ppl
10.doesnt take cover from LRMS
11.charges when LRM'ed
12.doesn't stick with the team (special snowflake)
13.armlocked/cannot trade fire when running in circles with an enemy
14.heat management?no.let's shut down in front of the enemy/enemies
15.lost an arm? LEEEROY JENKINSS!!!
16.goes in choke points
17.15+16+ bodyblock snipers line of fire because he wants the kill
18. bodyblocks retreating allies because (probably) they are backing up from a firefight for just being ignorant cowards,and they should die fighting
19.never launches a uav/has no idea how to do it
20.cannot focus a coponent for the love of god.
21.attacks when being one of the very few remaining in the team the HEALTHIEST enemy out there
22.******* about gauss/ppc being OP because he can't go on alpine charging the middle road with his lb10's and his small-med lasers
23.thinks the TDR ppc boat is OP....scratch that...thinks that ANY mech we have in the game NOW is OP, even the atlas firestarter bug.
24.wants to cheat to prove superior
25.plays with a touchpad.
26.plays with very high ping and complains about rubberbanding
27.plays at less than 23.976 fps/second and expects to play well
28.cannot control torso and arms correctly & independently
29. his average game daage in most games is 100
30.his kda is less than 0.5
31.has 1 group of weapons
32.b*tches about clans being OP
33.he cannot play ballistic weapon builds because he cannot "lead" his shot for the love of God
34.cannot mitigate damage to components by turning/defending your most weaponized half of the mech
35.has no clue that most echs have the biggest weapons in the right torso
36.has no idea what clans hold which players /competitive teams and which are just casual sunday players and hence rants about chaters when getting a wipeout
37.various other reasons regarding map awareness,logic,or just poor reasoning

Every game I play,I meet one of you people,and every damn time, I try to win the game while avoiding your erratic and senseless motion around teammates, your lack of logic and situational awareness, your ass-shooting because "you want THAT kill specifically no matter who is in front of you" and your general lack of logic when building a mech ( eg: LRM boat crab with JUST 2 medium lasers and firing LRMS within 100 meter range, owhing 4 machineguns but firing ONLY lasers at exposed components,

Feel free to reply and explain how cheating will make you better.

Oh and YES, I CAN HEADSHOT people with my GAUSS aprox 1 in 10 situations, because I actually took the damn time to see where their cockpit is and how I should shoot at it.

Edited by Darkthor, 10 January 2015 - 10:17 AM.

[Tarogato]

Darkthor, on 10 January 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

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29. his average game daage in most games is 100
30.his kda is less than 0.5
31.has 1 group of weapons
32.b*tches about clans being OP
33.he cannot play ballistic weapon builds because he cannot "lead" his shot for the love of God
34.cannot mitigate damage to components by turning/defending your most weaponized half of the mech
35.has no clue that most echs have the biggest weapons in the right torso
36.has no idea what clans hold which players /competitive teams and which are just casual sunday players and hence rants about chaters when getting a wipeout
37.various other reasons regarding map awareness,logic,or just poor reasoning

^ add to that list:

38: gets headshot'd by artillery but blames it on an aimbot every time.

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Simply put, there is no cheating in this game. If you can prove something with a video, then we'll listen.

Other than that, there are about 3 or 4 known mechanics exploits (available to everyone) that are considered cheating, but you probably can't even list them or recognise them. Also, they're not extraordinarily game-breaking.

[Darkthor]

I am better than regular players , yet I am far from good.
Everytime I get cocky, i get put in my place by better players, trust me.
It has happened a lot,and it will happen again.And every time i try to learn something from it.

This game is for fun, no? No real reason to learn anything on that list,no? Pugs....maybe.Team drops? I differ.
You forget that this game is a team game, and one good player cannot atone for the sins of people that after 1000+ games stay as ignorant as a newbie in his team.


For example, the OP is here from 2013 and stil posts "ohmagawd,haxxorz ever1where" topics.That irritates me to the bone.
I was here since waaaay ago in the earliest of beta, and didnt post anything...because every time i wanted to,i thought...nope....i just may be doing something bad.Until then, haxxorz and stuff is no real excuse.Yet every time I get on the forums I see "ohmagawd,haxx" posts.

Since the list offended you, consider it a "don't do this stuf ingame" list, under a veil of Heavy sarcasm (agreed).
And in a way I believe this list can be plastered to every pilot that isn't in the comp scene....even if he learns 10% from it, it's 10 % gained, not lost.
However, I am almost sure the OP is a guy who has no idea of a few things on that list for sure.Call it a hunch.Every time someone whines about haxx, he usually is, like in all MMOs a bad ,poor ,player. And getting called by them hacker,game after game, gets on people's nerves.Because bacon.


On to private matters:
And no,I don't run a dual gauss jaeger on a regular basis.I did a while back, and am FULLY aware of the downsides.
And yes, I don't care about your opinion about them or their builds either. It's glass-cannon build, and requires a lot o skill to be useful, and I believe I said enough.

I remember where I came from, but I remember that I looked at myself first,then I blamed others for their mistakes.
(Since that like scared you, i un-liked it.Boogey man gone, 'mkay?)

Edited by Darkthor, 10 January 2015 - 02:14 PM.

[Nightmare1]

With regard to the OP:

I haven't seen anything like this yet, nor has anyone in my Unit. You may want to stop eating the mushrooms; I think they're making you "see things that ain't thar!"

Just teasing about the mushrooms, but I'm serious about your laundry list. Never seen anything like it's kind before!

[Lily from animove]

whitelightshadow, on 09 January 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

Wow when you think this game is getting somewhere.

Now it seems that in every game there is STRANGE happenings in CW....

Head shots when your back is turned.
Amazing and impossible kill shot... while behind cover????
Turrents that only target certain players.
Mechs that refuses to take damage even when the HUD show they are being hit.
Mechs that seems to know where where you are no matter how far you are apart and behind cover.
Mechs that get rubberbanded in one spot when in contact with enemy mechs, that is ONLY with enemy mechs.

But my favourate, Weapons that do not miss no matter the distance or how fast you move or they are moving... Especially head shots....

O, also worth mentioning: Gauss rifles that seems to be indestructable.... Even if you are hitting them with an alpha strike that will sink a Atlas.

We all do know what is happening and it is getting way too much now... It is ruining the game and people like myself will rather go play with pugs than play CW.

I also want to cheat, BUT I will not sink so low to make myself or my team look good by cheating... keep your cheats, I will rather be honest and keep my integrity, even if it means losing...

man uav and radarderp are already the wallhack you need xD

Edited by Lily from animove, 10 January 2015 - 02:16 PM.

[FaT4Li7y]

Tarogato, on 10 January 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

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Simply put, there is no cheating in this game. If you can prove something with a video, then we'll listen.

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Are you serious? Saying there is "no cheating" in a free to play game looks simpleminded to me.
No really? Serious question. How many of the seasoned vets here think that there are "no cheats" in this game?
And with cheats I mean like third-party software and no stupid user.cfg exploits etc.
No really, Tarogato, would you please explain on that opinion a bit because I would really like to know how some mutual sane person thinks there are no cheats in online videogames?

[General Solo]

Nice list, might need to study it.

[Athalus]

Faktype, on 17 January 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Are you serious? Saying there is "no cheating" in a free to play game looks simpleminded to me.
No really? Serious question. How many of the seasoned vets here think that there are "no cheats" in this game?
And with cheats I mean like third-party software and no stupid user.cfg exploits etc.
No really, Tarogato, would you please explain on that opinion a bit because I would really like to know how some mutual sane person thinks there are no cheats in online videogames?

This wasn't directed at me, but I'll awnser anyway. There have been plenty of these "OMG ban the hax0rz" posts, and they generally end with the conclusion that using hacks in this game seems almost nonexistant. Yes, hit-detection is awful at times, making mechs look unkillable. Yes, HSR does funny stuff, which sometimes make it look as if someone is using wallhacks. Yes, sometimes people disconecting make mechs glich out (referencing that one video of a Warhawk skipping over Alpine Peaks at 120+ km/h). I remember one low quality GIF which looked as an aimbot, and it worked awfully. Basically, most people playing this game seem mature people (well...usually...kinda ) who don't use cheats.

And for those site claiming to have MW:O cheats... 'Its on the internet so its true' never worked out well

EDIT: Another common mistake: People in 3PV using 'aim-assists' or 'aimbots': try actually aiming in 3PV. You'll notice the cursor jumping around seemingly wierdly. Thats just a result of using 3PV.

Edited by Athalus, 17 January 2015 - 09:10 AM.

[Tarogato]

Faktype, on 17 January 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Are you serious? Saying there is "no cheating" in a free to play game looks simpleminded to me. ... No really, Tarogato, would you please explain on that opinion a bit because I would really like to know how some mutual sane person thinks there are no cheats in online videogames?

Athalus has a nice response, but since you asked me specifically...

Of course there are cheats in videogames, but MWO is slightly different. One reason is the demographic, as Athalus pointed out, which makes cheaters considerably less prevalent. Second, of course is that a lot of glitchy behaviour can also be falsely attributes to hacks, which was also pointed out already.

Third, however, is that getting a hack to run in MWO isn't quite as simple as other games. Almost everything, I'm told, is handled by the server, and not the client side, so that pretty much limits us to wall hacks and aimbots. Aimbots work well in typical shooters, but MWO has a rather unique aiming system that is riddled with complications like torso twist, arm lock vs torso convergence, varying projectile speeds, and most of all specific component targeting. I've seen fairly clear evidence of one aimbot presented, and its performance seemed lackluster at best. Center of mass also isn't the ideal target location, and even if you do have "perfect" aim, you're simply at the mercy of your mech piloting skills, map/situational awareness, and the limits of the build of your mech and how it fares against your opposition. It's simply not worth the effort of programming a top notch hack for this game, and even if somebody did, it wouldn't help them perform any better than a skilled pilot. The only exception I could think of possibly is dual gauss cockpitting, but even then calculating the trajectory/target leading would be problematic and a human pilot is nearly as able to hit a stationary target as a bot could.

That said, every time you see somebody guass a cockpit, don't jump to conclusions so readily. =]

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No really? Serious question. How many of the seasoned vets here think that there are "no cheats" in this game?

I'm only a 13-month MWO vet, the forum is open for more experienced players than myself to voice their opinions. We shall see what they have to say. =P

[FaT4Li7y]

Thanks for the quick response.
So cheats (wallhacks and aimbots) CAN be done for Mechwarrior Online. However they are not prevalent due to the small playerbase and minor gains for the effort and risk opposed by real skill. So if there were more players and better cheating tools we would see more of them perhaps?
No I don't think so. Because even if there were (maybe even are already) more advanced cheating tools there is still no way to capitalize on them ingame in real $$ besides of actually coding and selling them on a retail or subscription basis.
If users had the possibility to extract money from the game somehow by selling accounts and the like, things would change very quickly. All about $$$.

[Koniving]

There's been exactly two hacks to have ever worked on this game, and a few other exploits.

The hacks which have been debunked include an aimbot (around the time the F9 coordinates button was disabled and re-enabled that was quickly wiped out; it turns out the coordinate system was feeding locational information of all players at all times, making it possible) and 3D map (shows enemy blips in the actual world and also debunked by the same solution).

The exploits have been: Cbill farm bot (super obvious, completely worthless). Jump jet throttling (exists, extremely troubling issue where rapidly pressing space makes you impossible to hit; you can see when someone is doing this and it looks ******** as hell so hit record, laugh and report to support@mwomercs.com). Rapid ping variance (an issue, but as worthless as your fire is on them, same is true for their attempts to hit you; no one benefits). Spectator cam (A bug that occurs when disconnecting and reconnecting under certain conditions; has no real value except in group queues and in filming). There's a few more but they were entirely repair and rearm related. Oh, and tag spam. Minor earnings exploit there.

Far as real cheats? Nope. There are, however, some real bullshit map design issues like invisible walls. The tower on Alpine to the NorthWest of Sniper's hill is a prime example; check it out sometime. "I can stand in the open and see you but you can't shoot me. If I take one step over I can shoot you and you still can't shoot me, lol."

[Summon3r]

far as ive been able to tell the only funny business going on is game bugs such as places on maps where u can shoot through walls and what not, and one should mention the ludicrous tapping of jj's that hops mechs up and down so much it gets a little lag shield and excellent dmg spread which could be chalked up to skill? though those are pgi bugs that shoud have been sorted ages ago.

so cheating? video or it didnt happen.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Ozealot, on 10 January 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

So you finally got it? Awesome. Good to know I was right about you. You my hero? LMAO. You really took that serious? Why should I lick your ass dude? I'm not posting here to get some likes for my profile. Perhaps you should play the game called life a little bit more so you learn a thing or two about humility and respect as well as dealing with constructive criticism. Have a nice day.

Please point what on his list isn't spot on for almost all whiners?

Oh and BTW, when I have a KDR above 1.0, it's because it's a new mech and I had some lucky matches. I've never gotten above 1K damage (hell normally don't break 500). Partly because I am a casual player, I know do twist etc, but that doesn't mean I don't forget to, or don't forget I swapped mechs so need to show the the LEFT arm not right etc.

And ya know what? It's my damn fault, no some guy who's really good or cheats.

So maybe YOU need some more life so you don't get mad when people explain what's really happening in a game.....

[Gremlich Johns]

I've gone in solo vs 2 players before - and won. (actually, I oops'd into that one)

I was driving an HBK-4G(F) with AC20 and 3xMLas against a timby and an adder.

I suspect I won because the other pilots were not as comfortable with their mechs as I was in mine (using a JS and a Nostromo)

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Ozealot, on 10 January 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

So you finally got it? Awesome. Good to know I was right about you. You my hero? LMAO. You really took that serious? Why should I lick your ass dude? I'm not posting here to get some likes for my profile. Perhaps you should play the game called life a little bit more so you learn a thing or two about humility and respect as well as dealing with constructive criticism. Have a nice day.

Wow, you turned the dial up quickly.

As for me, I tend to play with the idea everyone plays as honorable as I do. Might be fiction, but hey... life. I do my best and have a certain internal pride with that. Can't expect it from everyone.

[IraqiWalker]

whitelightshadow, on 09 January 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

Wow when you think this game is getting somewhere.

Now it seems that in every game there is STRANGE happenings in CW....

Head shots when your back is turned.
Amazing and impossible kill shot... while behind cover????
Turrents that only target certain players.
Mechs that refuses to take damage even when the HUD show they are being hit.
Mechs that seems to know where where you are no matter how far you are apart and behind cover.
Mechs that get rubberbanded in one spot when in contact with enemy mechs, that is ONLY with enemy mechs.

But my favourate, Weapons that do not miss no matter the distance or how fast you move or they are moving... Especially head shots....

O, also worth mentioning: Gauss rifles that seems to be indestructable.... Even if you are hitting them with an alpha strike that will sink a Atlas.

We all do know what is happening and it is getting way too much now... It is ruining the game and people like myself will rather go play with pugs than play CW.

I also want to cheat, BUT I will not sink so low to make myself or my team look good by cheating... keep your cheats, I will rather be honest and keep my integrity, even if it means losing...

This challenge I got 3 headshots. Not a single one was on a powered down mech. In fact, two of them were as I rounded a corner, or spotted the enemy mech for no more than 3 seconds.

Was I cheating? Nope. Was I lucky? Absolutely. I know the head hitbox on every mech in the game, so I aim for it, and over the past few months my headshot count went from 2 to 7 (or 8, gotta double check). No cheats. Just a dual Gauss+some guns, build. Also, the Gauss Rifle has a CHANCE to explode, doesn't mean it always will. I've had my Dual Gauss builds lose both rifles without them exploding before. It can happen.

3 days ago, I had a guy on my team accusing everyone of being cheaters, when in reality he was probably just an idiot, since none of us were cheating, and none of us had an exceptional performance that match (highest damage was over 600, and it was my 2Gauss2ERPPC crab.


Lower your mouse sensitivity, and lower your graphics settings to make sure you can get over 30 frames per second, or as close as possible, and you'll see that tracking targets becomes extremely easy.

[Bigbacon]

so according to that list if you don't META you are a worthless player... everyone should use the META...awesome for variety. just have PGI take out everything then and just give everyone the META and it would fix all the games problems.