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[That Dawg]

How about the top of the citidel in RiverCity? Quite a few mechs can get up there, with ecm you can sometimes wreak utter havoc on an enemy team ♫♬♪ ♩♭♪

How about the top of the whatever that radar dish is in Manifold? Or the tops of the walls there, many are very trickery and inherently dangerous exposure, BUT..man there is NOTHING like painting the backs of mechs with a tag laser from an ECM spider...ammirite?

In Canyon there are three points you can hide behind obstructions- precisely between out of bounds, and 'stuff'
ECM kitfox and erppc's hmm hmmm good

Its very difficult, but in Mining Collective, you can toss abandon to the wind and get on top of....and its tricky- only the most jumpjet boated mechs can do it (or use the Mechapult®) and get on top of a few insanely high structures- you can see quite well and call out enemy movement. Doesn't pay well, you shoot, they see you..but...

exploits are ok...until the programmers say so ☯
I'd rather see them fix the hundreds of pebbles and golfcarts that stop an 18 meter tall 80 ton that lifts its feet just walking about 10 meters get hung up on........WHAT FFS!?!?!?? than to figure out how to put fences up to keep nubs from climbing things like monkeys drinking cough syrup.
Of all the times I've been up..just up on stuff, I've been a nuisance at best, and at worse a liability to my team for not having guns on the ground

I rarely go "up" anymore. Jus' sayin'

[LordKnightFandragon]

geodeath, on 11 January 2015 - 04:48 AM, said:

No, it is not. That is a valide position on the map, both mountains are. You can get up there with an Atlas, given enough time. Those people were very wrong about climbing that mountain being an exploit. It is a tactical advantage gained by using proper game mechanics, not cheating.

Really? How do you get on top of the mountain in an Atlas? I can see the one on the side, but tht one in the middle? Imma have to go try this sometime. I did it in a Nova, but it has JJ.

[Gyrok]

Sarlic, on 11 January 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

I have seen you in the match when my housemate was playing
(Vaegir Raiden, he was not swearing at ya but did'nt liked it.)

I consider this as a unfair advantage since people have:

*Unfair (unlimited) visibility and range* to detect people. Mostly pilots who are piloting a scout. (Oversight is about 2/3 of the map)
-> Pilots on the ground cannot make the angle with their cockpits to hit the pilots on the hill unless walking across the map to make that angle with the arms or cockpit.
*When a mech is equipped with LRMs they just spam a certain area of the map.
*ER PPC spam across the map.
I assume it's not even ment for pilots to get up there and i consider it as a abusive mechanic to influence any outcome of the match. There is almost no counter measures only to get up there without jumpjets or have a friendly pilot to to LRM boat it.

Bottom line: there is still nothing done yet to prevent pilots taking the top hill. It's an object, it's a placed structure, like a building to prevent. Not to engage.

It's a (unfair) advantage and it can influence a entire match due it's oversight. So in my eyes it's a advantage you should not have. Either as a light, medium, heavy or even a assault.

I always report people who are on that hill. I don't think PGI made any statements yet but i will keep reporting untill this flaw has been fixed because it's really a flaw in the design.

It is part of the map, if you report people for using a part of the map, that is like someone reporting you for standing on the island on crimson strait.

"That is an unfair position because it gives you several hundred meter of LOS to shoot approaching teams"

Pure, unadulterated BS.

[anonymous161]

Sarlic, on 11 January 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

I have seen you in the match when my housemate was playing
(Vaegir Raiden, he was not swearing at ya but did'nt liked it.)

I consider this as a unfair advantage since people have:

*Unfair (unlimited) visibility and range* to detect people. Mostly pilots who are piloting a scout. (Oversight is about 2/3 of the map)
-> Pilots on the ground cannot make the angle with their cockpits to hit the pilots on the hill unless walking across the map to make that angle with the arms or cockpit.
*When a mech is equipped with LRMs they just spam a certain area of the map.
*ER PPC spam across the map.
I assume it's not even ment for pilots to get up there and i consider it as a abusive mechanic to influence any outcome of the match. There is almost no counter measures only to get up there without jumpjets or have a friendly pilot to to LRM boat it.

Bottom line: there is still nothing done yet to prevent pilots taking the top hill. It's an object, it's a placed structure, like a building to prevent. Not to engage.

It's a (unfair) advantage and it can influence a entire match due it's oversight. So in my eyes it's a advantage you should not have. Either as a light, medium, heavy or even a assault.

I always report people who are on that hill. I don't think PGI made any statements yet but i will keep reporting untill this flaw has been fixed because it's really a flaw in the design.

lol you are a sad one aren't ya? What you gonna do about it eh? Can you not go up their yourself and fight the enemy? qq more qq

Reporting people for using something pgi made possible is ********, and just makes you come off as a tattle tale.

[C E Dwyer]

Not an exploit its legit

and not really that great a position if be told

[That Dawg]

bwahahahhaha

Can you possibly imagine what it must be like to work at PGI in the customer service dept??

There is enough desk/head bang in this thread to kill an entire office off in an afternoon

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I always report people who are on that hill. I don't think PGI made any statements yet but i will keep reporting untill this flaw has been fixed because it's really a flaw in the design.

What next? report someone in a light for going UNDER that structure on sulfur planet inside the gate cause I CANT in my stalker??

[C E Dwyer]

Carcass23, on 11 January 2015 - 05:56 AM, said:

Calling this an exploit is a joke, right?

sadly no its not one

[Shae Starfyre]

This thread makes me want to quit.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Quite frankly, I think more of all the maps should be made accessible. I never understood why you make a big old map and then use 70% of it. I know in my Men of War mod, I make a 400x400 map, I basically use the entirety of it and make the entire thing playable. Even most my missions the entire map is used and plays into the mission somehow. I always run out of motivation and imagination when I try to make an 800x800...ive done a 600x400 =D

PGI should open their entire map up and use it all. No out of bounds areas, unless it is legit out of bounds.

[DaZur]

Cathy, on 13 January 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

Not an exploit its legit

and not really that great a position if be told

Actually... If a player is sporting ECM and has the fortitude and wherewithal to either hold their shots and or pick them very strategically... Holding this position can be devastating.

A player sitting up there playing "spotter" especially is masked by ECM can bring to bear a lot of firepower unchallenged if their team has a lot of LRMs.

[Kassatsu]

If it was an exploit it would have been fixed months ago, and likely would have never made it to the live servers to begin with.

Look at all the arbitrary out of bounds locations in other maps, particularly forest colony near the cliffs.

[Appogee]

It's a completely legitimate map position.

I can't believe anyone would even suggest otherwise.

Tell the whingers that if they want to shoot you up there, bring a Light ... like you did. Otherwise, they can just stop whining and start dealing with it.

[PurpleNinja]

Did you received the warning message from PGI?
Check you spam folder.

[Garheardt The Black]

PurpleNinja, on 13 January 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

Did you received the warning message from PGI?
Check you spam folder.

Nah. I just double checked.

[C E Dwyer]

That Dawg, on 13 January 2015 - 07:43 AM, said:

bwahahahhaha Can you possibly imagine what it must be like to work at PGI in the customer service dept?? There is enough desk/head bang in this thread to kill an entire office off in an afternoon What next? report someone in a light for going UNDER that structure on sulfur planet inside the gate cause I CANT in my stalker??

You know that's an exploit right

[Antagonist]

Garheardt The Black, on 11 January 2015 - 04:45 AM, said:

Is climbing the top of the mountain in Crimson Strait considered an exploit? I was scouting up there earlier today in a solo match only to face a great deal of nasty hate from a couple of people on the enemy team. They were certain it was an exploit because it was "an unfair advantage." Considering how many heavies I've run into up there and the ease of access from either team spawn location, I don't see it. I can't find any information on the forums about it. Thoughts?

Thanks!
-Gar

Nah, it's the moral high ground.

A good spot to emplace the artillery, as somebody on another forum put it a few years ago.

[C E Dwyer]

DaZur, on 13 January 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

Actually... If a player is sporting ECM and has the fortitude and wherewithal to either hold their shots and or pick them very strategically... Holding this position can be devastating. A player sitting up there playing "spotter" especially is masked by ECM can bring to bear a lot of firepower unchallenged if their team has a lot of LRMs.

true enough I shot out the legs on a raven doing pretty much the same I climbed up behind it in my atlas d-dc and while I couldn't get all the way up, being shot in the ass was uncomfortable for him as I killed the ecm and then was bombed..

[C E Dwyer]

Mudhutwarrior, on 11 January 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

When one team has it and the other doesn't its pretty much cheating.

I guess general Meade cheated at Gettysburg then as his troops had a wall on top of a hill and Lee's didn't ?

Even so I don't remember any of Pickets men Calling cheat and trying to report for an exploit

[DaZur]

Mudhutwarrior, on 11 January 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

When one team has it and the other doesn't its pretty much cheating.

Cathy, on 13 January 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

I guess general Meade cheated at Gettysburg then as his troops had a wall on top of a hill and Lee's didn't ?

Even so I don't remember any of Pickets men Calling cheat and trying to report for an exploit

Interesting...

I call it "tactical advantage"...

[Sarlic]

I'm really disgusted by some people getting on personal attacking. It's really not necessary and i want you to stop.

That being said: i have a different mindset then alot of people here does not go away that i do what i will do on the forums: i expressed my opinion and i stand behind it. You like it or not.

But that's no reason to go on personal attacking me in both PM and here.

Sarlic, on 11 January 2015 - 05:56 AM, said:

That still not justify to have these thoughts. Just because PGI haven't finished or adjusted the map to prevent this kind of behaviour is not a free letter to just to have a go at it. That's no argument.

When its not intended in the game mechanics, then it's simply a exploit ( = fairly wide term )

To your saying you would use for example a invisible wall. A Direwolf can stand and shoot behind from it. But the enemy pilot on the other side cannot hit the Direwolf because of that invisible wall.

That's just lame for everybody and not just for me.

I do not call this clever usesage of game mechaniscs or strategic positioning. It's a unintional map design flaw. The Direwolf has a advantage which can influence the whole outcome of that match, and if pilots with your thoughts would use this kind of advantage i consider them as bad sportsmans. Simply because they have that thought all along to use that invisible wall in the first place.

The only problem i am having is the mindset of some people. Obviously alot of them do not see it as a map design error, like i do, and 'If it's inbound, then why not?' is exactly the error i am bringing to attention.
That's just a wrong mindset like that example with the invisible wall. Tha'ts the same 'wrong logic' that people are claiming when they read my reasoning.

You have no objection? Good, then carry on i suppose.

That's like saying you would use anything ingame, broken or not to your advantage and shoosh it off as a 'tactical advantage' or whatever.

I wonder how many people would still remember the two artillery or the airtstrikes which you could carry for some time. But that's not the only thing. PGI had several issues in the past which people happily used them. Fixed or not. Anyway back on the two consumables: Yet by a official statement of PGI people still refused to re-arm them with a single consumbable. Because "I liked the two consumables and i will use them untill ..." or the Timberwolf hitbox issues? Just to name a example. [ Hiting spacebar, hitting spacebar, hitting space... because i can? ] How many Timberwolves do you see infinite jumping in a brawl each match? That's a second mindset i want to give you.

Well you get the point i assume.

I know PGI have not stated any official word on this, but as i have said before. No word on it yet, wether i like it or not if you got that mindset, use it as many times you like. And hopefully i, or the current team can get a shot on you.

In the end i am really disgusted by some people who feel the need to insult, harash, and personal attack me both private and public.

Look, i am also a pilot who wish to have some fun. I wish we could have a civilized discussion, but i left it earlier due some rotten apples who just like to spoil it. That's no fun in continuing it.

Thanks alot, and hopefully i see you in-game. (side by side, or not)

Edited by Sarlic, 14 January 2015 - 01:49 AM.