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[Gorgo7]

Mischief-"It's inevitable that The Capellan Confederation be attacked by The Federated Suns."
(Inevitable...she wanted it! Look at the way she is dressed! Inevitable!"
Yes, well, still going to jail aren't you?

Love and respect for Marik? More like fear and loathing.
Not nice to be schooled by them is it?

Bring a tissue next time you post, your lips are brown.

[Davers]

MischiefSC, on 21 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

Sorry, didn't expect such a long response. I was just having a chuckle with my Liao ally.

You say you never break your alliances, but you are more than happy to channel Marik against Steiner. Not sure if that is what an ally would do.

We know Davions are willing to make a NAP. They remind our leaders daily.

Anyway, it's all in fun and jest. At least until they give actual rewards for owning territory.

[Molossian Dog]

Wow, the Dave propaganda department is working overtime.

IraqiWalker, on 21 January 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

... I personally want Davion boots on Luthien facing off with the Jags, and either teaming up with the dracs, or taking over....

MischiefSC, on 21 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

... As said prior we'd like to go deal with the Clans sooner rather than later but we're not going to get 2 borders rolled at home while we do so...

So you guys want that. Great.

But, you see, Dave, why should the Free Worlds give a used fig about what you guys want?

(This is where you insert threats, patronizing remarks, holier-than-you calls-to-arms against the heathen clans and other propaganda crap. Have fun, Dave.)

Edited by Molossian Dog, 21 January 2015 - 03:30 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Davers, on 21 January 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

Sorry, didn't expect such a long response. I was just having a chuckle with my Liao ally.

You say you never break your alliances, but you are more than happy to channel Marik against Steiner. Not sure if that is what an ally would do.

We know Davions are willing to make a NAP. They remind our leaders daily.

Anyway, it's all in fun and jest. At least until they give actual rewards for owning territory.

Agreed, but we're not 'channeling Marik against Steiner'. Steiner picked a fight with Marik a while ago. I pug on the Steiner/Clan border regularly and support my ally every chance I get. We're not required to fight Marik to help Steiner any more than Marik is required to fight Davion to help Liao though. Steiner, and Liao, can work things out on their own. Steiner is a big boy and Liao, well, Liao doesn't really have a lot of options.

[IraqiWalker]

Gorgo7, on 21 January 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Mischief-"It's inevitable that The Capellan Confederation be attacked by The Federated Suns."
(Inevitable...she wanted it! Look at the way she is dressed! Inevitable!"
Yes, well, still going to jail aren't you?

Love and respect for Marik? More like fear and loathing.
Not nice to be schooled by them is it?

Bring a tissue next time you post, your lips are brown.

Wow, buddy




First you're making **** allegations against Davion. Despite the fact that you attacked us, and then got trounced, now you're crying about your booboos, and calling us names.

Then you're trying to demean the good will we have with Marik? We've been taking planets from them, and losing planets to them all of CW, and it's been the best fun had by both parties. Some of my favorite players to face off against are Marik, like 70% of them are Marik. Even Marik pugs are fun to play with or against, since they are a cut above most other factions' pugs out there.


You know, I don't think I've done more than ONE drop against Liao myself, but looks like I might have to step it up.



At least I'll get to run into Wanderer on that front. He's always great to play with/against.

Molossian Dog, on 21 January 2015 - 03:29 PM, said:

Wow, the Dave propaganda department is working overtime.

So you guys want that. Great.

But, you see, Dave, why should the Free Worlds give a used fig about what you guys want?

(This is where you insert threats, patronizing remarks, holier-than-you calls-to-arms against the heathen clans and other propaganda crap. Have fun, Dave.)

No one is saying you should. We approached in a friendly way saying, "Hey, how about we both march up north and school those clans ourselves, instead of letting them push farther and farther into IS territory. We'd sure like it if you guys stopped attacking our borders, so we can move pilots northwards, rather than waste ours and yours on our border, which has been going back and forth between the same three planets for weeks now?". Then you, personally, started your whine fest about us being untrustworthy (zero evidence of that so far), and other hooplah.


Also, let's not forget there are several planets that belong to Davion which are now under Marik, and Liao rulerships. Don't make it like we haven't lost planets.

Proof in Spoiler

Spoiler

Edited by IraqiWalker, 21 January 2015 - 05:49 PM.

[Molossian Dog]

Dear Dave,

what I said is:

- Liao is more trustworthy. They have to be and they have proven it.
- Should Liao die you are down to 2 targets. Marik and Kurita.
- I don´t like this outlook. I think it doesn´t suggest a reliable FWL/Dave alliance.

These things are called facts. Label it whinefest if that makes you feel better. Play nice or play grumpy, it matters not. I think the FWL will do what the FWL wants to do. Your wishes are not a factor.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 21 January 2015 - 06:20 PM.

[Davers]

IraqiWalker, on 21 January 2015 - 05:37 PM, said:

Wow, buddy

And I thought you picked that gif out just for me.

And as for going north to deal with the Clans, check the map- we ARE north. Now you need to catch up.

[Gorgo7]

IraqiWalker, on 21 January 2015 - 05:37 PM, said:

Wow, buddy...

You're trying to demean the good will we have with Marik? We've been taking planets from them, and losing planets to them all of CW, and it's been the best fun had by both parties. Some of my favorite players to face off against are Marik, like 70% of them are Marik. Even Marik pugs are fun to play with or against, since they are a cut above most other factions' pugs out there.


You know, I don't think I've done more than ONE drop against Liao myself, but looks like I might have to step it up.

At least I'll get to run into Wanderer on that front. He's always great to play with/against. (Don't forget that tissue, your lips are brown.)

No one is saying you should. We approached in a friendly way saying, "Hey, how about we both march up north and school those clans ourselves, instead of letting them push farther and farther into IS territory. We'd sure like it if you guys stopped attacking our borders, so we can move pilots northwards, rather than waste ours and yours on our border, which has been going back and forth between the same three planets for weeks now?". Then you, personally, started your whine fest about us being untrustworthy (zero evidence of that so far), and other hooplah.


Also, let's not forget there are several planets that belong to Davion which are now under Marik, and Liao rulerships. Don't make it like we haven't lost planets.

Proof in Spoiler

Spoiler

Wow...
Congrats to Marik for picking up those 40 planets from Dave....
I'd be happy to have you under my guns. I've seen you before and your play is weak. What unit are you puging with again?
No matter.

[IraqiWalker]

Molossian Dog, on 21 January 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

Dear Dave,

what I said is:

- Liao is more trustworthy. They have to be and they have proven it.
- Should Liao die you are down to 2 targets. Marik and Kurita.
- I don´t like this outlook. I think it doesn´t suggest a reliable FWL/Dave alliance.

These things are called facts. Label it whinefest if that makes you feel better. Play nice or play grumpy, it matters not. I think the FWL will do what the FWL wants to do. Your wishes are not a factor.

We've proven we're more trustworthy than Liao, and somewhow we're less trustworthy because we've NEVER broken a cease-fire, and created more cease-fires than any other faction, while they are more trustworthy because they took the first opportunity to break the holiday truce and try to backstab us?

Davers, on 21 January 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

And I thought you picked that gif out just for me.

And as for going north to deal with the Clans, check the map- we ARE north. Now you need to catch up.

(This one's all for you baby XD)

Spoiler

Darn! Any chance we can borrow your warp drive technology? I think Steiner would be okay with us taking one of the northern planets with CJF. XP

Gorgo7, on 21 January 2015 - 06:31 PM, said:

Wow...
Congrats to Marik for picking up those 40 planets from Dave....
I'd be happy to have you under my guns. I've seen you before and your play is weak. What unit are you puging with again?
No matter.

Wow, I'm sorry if my "play" didn't impress you in the PuG queue (has to be there, since I've only had ONE drop against Liao, and you were not in it), what will I ever do, after disappointing you?



I won't bring in unit e-peen, since that is irrelevant, but I'll happily go solo into Liao territory.

Also, you might want some glasses, Pretty sure it's not 40 planets.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 21 January 2015 - 06:52 PM.

[Gorgo7]

80?!? Wow...

I didn't realize that Dave was getting his bum waxed by the purple people eaters.

Edited by Gorgo7, 21 January 2015 - 07:38 PM.

[Molossian Dog]

IraqiWalker, on 21 January 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

We've proven we're more trustworthy than Liao, and somewhow we're less trustworthy because we've NEVER broken a cease-fire, and created more cease-fires than any other faction, while they are more trustworthy because they took the first opportunity to break the holiday truce and try to backstab us?
...

Dear Dave,

what you need is a lecture in dialectic. (Or is it dialectics? I can´t tell.) I am not sure I can provide that via forum posts, but what the heck, let´s give it a try. Stand in Liaos´ shoes for a moment. And in our shoes.



Liao is trustworthy .... towards Marik.

Not you. In fact they are especially trustworthy towards us because they hate your guts and would murder you in your sleep if they could. They are trustworthy towards us because they have to be. The situation forces them to keep their word. You might be the nicest and most honourable guy around and your faction full of valiant knights of the white candle and Liao might consist of drooling maniacs and they would still be more trustworthy. Towards us.

You claim you will not backstab us. That might even be true. Or not. Liao is not able to backstab us.

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And while we are at it, let´s follow that train of thought with a Dave / FWL non aggression pact. Let´s check what this "mutually benefical agreement" would net each side, shall we? Let us also assume there is no foul play involved at all, since I am acting paranoid as you say. Just for the giggles.

The Dave gets:
- rid of an unsuccessful border conflict
- remains the biggest IS faction. No threat to that remains.
- freedom to gobble up Liao in no time
- freedom to strike at Kurita or save Kurita as he pleases
- finally can play the saviour of the Inner Sphere and hold back the Clans singlehandedly. Yay!

The Free World League gets:
- at first, less games
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Well, what else does it get? Oh, yeah, I hear you! We get freedom to strike "north" against House Steiner. We get a quiet border with Dave and all our units can plod north. Sounds fine! It surely will be glorious!

But wait a moment...if all the Daves are free to defend the IS agains the Clans...will they not defend their good ally, House Steiner against the Clans as well? Yes, they will. You guys said as much in this very thread. What does that mean? What will all the Elsies do?


The Free World League gets:
- no chance to get its planets in the east back
- suddenly lots of Steiners moving "south"

It means instead of fighting us directly (where you make no progress) you act against us indirectly. By helping our direct enemy. Freeing up numbers that will turn on us. We fight no Dave units anymore but instead get about the same amount of Steiner units active at our border since you have their backs. From our point of view that makes no difference.

Net result for us: Nil.

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Bonus Paranoia:

Spoiler

And since I´m branded a paranoid idiot anyways I will throw out yet another malicious conspiracy theory. Let´s assume I am totally wrong and everything is turning out peachy for us gullible little Mariks. Our offensives rock, the Elsies crumble and soon we are at the gates of Tharkad itself.
The Elsies will come begging and whining to the Dave. Don´t deny it, we all know they will. They are no longer "big boys" as you say, but balls to the wall. They will point out how valiantly they were shielding the IS against the heathens, but the evil Mariks wouldn´t let them. They will ask for help, being FedCom buddies with Dave and all that. And the Mariks have no other attack vector. The situation is desperate.

What will happen next?

Edited by Molossian Dog, 21 January 2015 - 08:46 PM.

[Davers]

Davion is just too organized and big to give them free reign over the IS.

[Molossian Dog]

I´ll be mean for a moment and say it.

@Davers
Yeah, but apparenly that is not enough.

"Winning" CW by remaining the biggest faction and being hailed as the stalwart shield against the clan hordes is what they are aiming at. Let the small minded lesser Houses fight each other.

Then they will claim the other Houses owe them thanks in addition to standing in their shadow. It seems this capellan campaign spoiled them a little.

Sorry Dave, we can´t let you do that. Don´t be mad.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 21 January 2015 - 08:47 PM.

[Noaceik]

Look I know you Davion's say you follow your word on cease fires, and normally you do , but I noticed something different on the map today. You took a Steiner world yesterday. Alula Australis, it was a Marik world before we lost it in the 4th succession war. but way to go, give it to those Steiner's they have enemies on all sides now.

[Davers]

Noaceik, on 21 January 2015 - 08:52 PM, said:

Look I know you Davion's say you follow your word on cease fires, and normally you do , but I noticed something different on the map today. You took a Steiner world yesterday. Alula Australis, it was a Marik world before we lost it in the 4th succession war. but way to go, give it to those Steiner's they have enemies on all sides now.

I think there is a 'rogue' Davion unit singlehandedly taking over Steiner space. They will probably continue as long as they get all the attention on the forum- see the 'alt accounts' thread for details.

[White Bear 84]

Davers, on 21 January 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

I think there is a 'rogue' Davion unit singlehandedly taking over Steiner space. They will probably continue as long as they get all the attention on the forum- see the 'alt accounts' thread for details.

Yup and I believe it started with 3 rouge Steiner units attacking Davion space, two of which have apparently complied with the truce while one seems to remain rogue at the ire of central command...

Someone is trying to stir up trouble..

[MischiefSC]

Molossian Dog, on 21 January 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

I´ll be mean for a moment and say it.

@Davers
Yeah, but apparenly that is not enough.

"Winning" CW by remaining the biggest faction and being hailed as the stalwart shield against the clan hordes is what they are aiming at. Let the small minded lesser Houses fight each other.

Then they will claim the other Houses owe them thanks in addition to standing in their shadow. It seems this capellan campaign spoiled them a little.

Sorry Dave, we can´t let you do that. Don´t be mad.

What I find wacky is your assumptions about what motivates everyone else. Not going to armchair psychoanalyze here but, really? We wanna fight Clanners and Kurita. Correction - we want Kurita to be a solid challenge to fight. Right now they're taking so much fire from so many directions that they are not an enemy to beat. CSJ would be but pugging defense on another faction vs Clans is probably the worst experience available in CW right now, most matches involve people who are either in their first match or who are just there to farm. We want a Clan border. That would be the most fun for us and in that we're pretty unified. 'Fighting the Clan at Luthien' has been objective #1 since the beginning.

We don't care about Marik, aside from liking to fight and play with you guys. We'd love for Liao to either have something else to keep them occupied or, baring, that, for them to cease to be. Assuming we have some overarching unified plan though? Really? Being 'hailed as the stalwart shield'.... seriously, repeat that to yourself a couple of times. We just wanna bust Clanners on our own front because pugging on Clan border sucks.

Fighting Marik is a complete waste of time and resources for us. Fun matches, don't get me wrong. Had a ton of fun playing against Marik tonight, every match was great. In terms of CW though and what's good for Davion it's not where our interests lie. At this point we had people stacking up 24 deep on Ares *when it was already at 100% and an hour before Ceasefire and Liao only had 12 people showing* instead of fighting Mariks because at the end of the day it doesn't go anywhere but back and forth. You guys did great tonight - took several worlds. Tomorrow we'll probably all show up on Marik boarder and take them back. Again. Are you thinking Marik is going to, what, conquer Davion? Just keep us busy I guess so we don't... attack Kurita and Liao I guess? We just stall each other forever?

Okay. We've already done this dance though. We know all these worlds backward and forward. The line ain't gonna move significantly or for any real length of time. Having fun, making money, at this point though the Marik border is a hamster wheel.

Edited by MischiefSC, 21 January 2015 - 09:32 PM.

[circumvention]

IS factions are the saddest in this game. Too unskilled to move a border as radically as the Clans, and too craven to face Clans at all.

I know I know, just wait until the Clan OZs border Davion/Marik space and you'll let them have it then, right? By then it's too late, and your "innovative" tactics (i.e. simple, predictable iterations of alternating light rushes and heavy pushes *yaaaawwwwnnn*) will be as useless as they are now. Jeejeeclose.

PS I LOVE how the mighty battles of Wazan are now no more than a footnote of hamster wheel CW combat. Amateurs.

Edited by circumvention, 21 January 2015 - 09:38 PM.

[Davers]

Well, thats the problem with the IS. It's big and doesn't provide a variety of opponents for the most part. The only interesting thing strategically is Marik's presence in Kurita. No one knows what we can do with it. And that is just a glitch.

[Molossian Dog]

No response to my previous post about why a Marik / Dave NAP would be folly for us Mischief?

Rather going the "ur troll" route? Well, *shrug* I suppose.

PS: Again, you describe your situation and what you would like to do and why your consider the current colfict a waste of your resources and so on. Try the dialectics again. We dont care what you want.

psst: What made you raise your eyebrows...it is called hyperbole.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 21 January 2015 - 10:27 PM.