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[Kilo 40]

DV McKenna, on 17 January 2015 - 02:32 AM, said:

I call you salty because you go into auto defensive mode anytime someone points out a flaw in your post.

I think I see your problem. Disagreeing with you or correcting you is not being auto defensive.

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It's very rare anyone takes any notice at all of the GPU makers system requirements it's better to run off load measurements and work from there.

I wouldn't say it's rare at all. More like common practice. hell, most people won't even look at the specs tab and will just go by what the guy at best buy or micro center tells him he needs. even then you're not going to go wrong by following the GPU makers system requirements. even if it is slight overkill.

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My point was your statement about the video card needing 550W was incorrect,

and my point was at no point in time was I saying the card will draw 550W of power. Only that it listed the system requirements as needing a 550w PSU.

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the system may do having dealt with many people in the hardware forum believe me you have to explain things perfectly because there are a great many out there that simply are not confident or will take peoples words at 100% value weather they are right or wrong .

Then you might want to go up and edit your comment about the GPU only drawing 300ish watts, otherwise the OP might think he only needs a 300W psu.

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But as i say it would fly with a 500W with no overclocking but the 50W extra is a better safe than sorry.

and his 650W is even better in case he decides to upgrade something or add on any other components later on(more HDD/SSDs liquid cooler, fans, etc..)I'd rather have more than I need(within reason. no 1000W or anything that outrageous) than find out I cut it too close and have to upgrade to a new PSU a year later.

[Ecrof]

A Radeon R9 295X2 can use over 550w by its self. Lol

[Marvyn Dodgers]

Moving to hardware forum

[Lord Letto]

ValheruThunar, on 16 January 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Ok so currently I'm using an old computer which was HP with some upgrades

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 at 2.66GHz
1333 x2 2GB DDR2 and 1066 2x 1GB DDR2 total of 6GB ram
GeForce GTX 550 Ti which is 1GB 900MHz
450W Corsair power supply
1TB Hard drive
Win 7 64bit
and other non essencials. Also it was stock cooling for cpu and what not. It ran me around 25-35 FPS with non-max grafics for MWO. Yes playable althrough when hell breaks loose sometimes it dips in frames. Another thing to note is I had my LCD monitor from way back in 2002 which was 19inch, it was replaced with new 27 intch Asus monitor.



New rig:
i5 4690 Quad core 3.5GHz with Noctua NH-D14 cooling
2x 4GB DDR3 at 1866
Gigabyte GTX 970 which is 4GB at 1178MHz
650W power supply
256 GB SSD
1TB HDD
WIN 7 64 bit.
this is all on Asus Maximus VI Hero motherboard.
So far, all I'm waiting for is my CPU to arrive to finish the build. Then apply thermal compound put in RAM, put on cooling heatsink, and stick in graphics card.

What do you think, will it be a big improvement over what I have now?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($77.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($145.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($165.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1215.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-17 11:26 EST-0500

for that kind of money I would have went with a i7 instead of i5, and that CPU Cooler is over priced, I would have went with a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO for Less than half the price. also, you never mentioned what case?

[Nimbus Captain Brannigan]

DV McKenna, on 17 January 2015 - 12:51 AM, said:

If it's the K version this is absolutely true.

Intel Core i5 4690K Unlocked Quad Core 3.5GHZ/3.9GHZ Processor LGA1150 Haswell 6MB Cache Retail

EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650 G 80 PLUS GOLD Certified 65 is the power supply

Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Full Tower Gaming Case ATX 4 TOOL-FREE SSD Cages 2MODULAR Drive Cage is the tower.

as for why I didn't go for i7, was because I wanted to go within reason for spending. As much as I've read, i5 over i7 doesnt provide sufficient enough reason to spend that much extra over so little gain. Thus why i didnt go with gtx 980 or newer motherboard, VII. On top of all that I did have to get new monitor since mine was way back from HP that I bought in 2004, LCD which was 19 inch. I went with Asus 27 inch. I think at the time I bought all of the stuff I spent about 1700 or so for all of it.

I went with 650w instead of what I thought I might need tops (I was thinking of 600ish or so) was because I had power issues before, so whenever I get power supply from now on, I get extra.

So, my next question is, should I try to overclock my cpu some due to mwo being cpu bound.

Edited by ValheruThunar, 17 January 2015 - 04:21 PM.

[Kilo 40]

Overclocking is personal preference. It absolutely is no necessary to play MWO.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kilo 40, on 17 January 2015 - 06:47 PM, said:

Overclocking is personal preference. It absolutely is no necessary to play MWO.

True to an extent, but it has been proven 1000's of times over in this forum overclocking improves base FPS, so it depends on what the person playing expects is reasonable performance.

ValheruThunar, on 17 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

Intel Core i5 4690K Unlocked Quad Core 3.5GHZ/3.9GHZ Processor LGA1150 Haswell 6MB Cache Retail

EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650 G 80 PLUS GOLD Certified 65 is the power supply

Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Full Tower Gaming Case ATX 4 TOOL-FREE SSD Cages 2MODULAR Drive Cage is the tower.

as for why I didn't go for i7, was because I wanted to go within reason for spending. As much as I've read, i5 over i7 doesnt provide sufficient enough reason to spend that much extra over so little gain. Thus why i didnt go with gtx 980 or newer motherboard, VII. On top of all that I did have to get new monitor since mine was way back from HP that I bought in 2004, LCD which was 19 inch. I went with Asus 27 inch. I think at the time I bought all of the stuff I spent about 1700 or so for all of it.

I went with 650w instead of what I thought I might need tops (I was thinking of 600ish or so) was because I had power issues before, so whenever I get power supply from now on, I get extra.

So, my next question is, should I try to overclock my cpu some due to mwo being cpu bound.

Good it's the K version, that gives you room to move if you so choose and you have brought an EVGA PSU which is a good brand with decent lines of PSU's.

Now as to your Overclocking question, MWO is very hungry on CPU clocks overclocking improves this performance on the chip and will make noticeable improvements to your frame rates as MWO is CPU bound meaning the GPU is a little bit less relevant.

If you have never done any overclocking before, your in luck because for the chip you have google will yield you a metric ton of guides on how to do it.
With the asus board you have you'll most likely find a complete guide for your board on the Asus RoG site.

[Kilo 40]

DV McKenna, on 18 January 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

True to an extent, but it has been proven 1000's of times over in this forum overclocking improves base FPS, so it depends on what the person playing expects is reasonable performance.

personally, I haven't noticed a difference. at least not enough difference to matter to me.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kilo 40, on 18 January 2015 - 02:05 AM, said:

personally, I haven't noticed a difference. at least not enough difference to matter to me.

It'll depend on what you were getting before and how you were measuring it, there are threads all over this forum where people pre overclock had minimum frames that would crash into 20's 30's causing a significant stutter, overclocking raises those minimum drops making the stutter less noticeable.

PGI have alot of work infront of them to optimize the client, simply cleaning up the hud which is all scaleform would significantly improve things.

Edited by DV McKenna, 18 January 2015 - 02:25 AM.

[Kilo 40]

DV McKenna, on 18 January 2015 - 02:24 AM, said:

It'll depend on what you were getting before and how you were measuring it, there are threads all over this forum where people pre overclock had minimum frames that would crash into 20's 30's causing a significant stutter, overclocking raises those minimum drops making the stutter less noticeable.

If your FPS are in the 20-30s an over clock can't do anything but help. But a new 4690k owner(I'm running a 4670k) probably isn't going to make much of a difference with an overclock.

having said that, if you own a K version CPU you should probably be overclocking. otherwise, what's the point of having it?

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PGI have alot of work infront of them to optimize the client, simply cleaning up the hud which is all scaleform would significantly improve things.

we'll see how that pans out.

[Bierzeltboxer]

if you just overclock by 200MHz or so, it doesn't matter. Overclock about nearly 1GHz and you see the difference.

Core i7 2600K @4,5 GHz.

[Smokeyjedi]

Kilo 40, on 18 January 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

If your FPS are in the 20-30s an over clock can't do anything but help. But a new 4690k owner(I'm running a 4670k) probably isn't going to make much of a difference with an overclock.

having said that, if you own a K version CPU you should probably be overclocking. otherwise, what's the point of having it?




we'll see how that pans out.

But you wont be able to Vsync @ 60hz on full High detail unless you are majorly overclocked.....Even on that fancy pants I5 LOL

[Kilo 40]

Smokeyjedi, on 18 January 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

But you wont be able to Vsync @ 60hz on full High detail unless you are majorly overclocked.....Even on that fancy pants I5 LOL

I manage to do it.

unless there is a joke here that I missed.

[Smokeyjedi]

Kilo 40, on 18 January 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

I manage to do it.

unless there is a joke here that I missed.

Nah you dont do it, Its been proven it takes far too much IPC a healthy OC and User.cfg files.....And this on Ehaswell 5820.......@ 4.3ghz.....with DDR4 and Im pretty sure its not Max settings even than

[Kilo 40]

Smokeyjedi, on 18 January 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

Nah you dont do it, Its been proven it takes far too much IPC a healthy OC and User.cfg files.....And this on Ehaswell 5820.......@ 4.3ghz.....with DDR4 and Im pretty sure its not Max settings even than

ok you got me. I fell for it.

good one.

[Bierzeltboxer]

There are some other limiting factors. Make sure your graphics card is in a pcie 16x slot or better. I had mine in a 8x because i didn't realize it. Slotting it into a 16x reduced framedrops alot for me. Also deactivating HT. By doing that, you could get a slightly better oc result also.
When this is done, you can go on and oc.

Edit: Save 2 OC profiles in your UEFI if you can. One with HT on and one with HT off. So you can load the needed profile quickly if you do tasks, which benefit from HT.

Edited by Bierzeltboxer, 18 January 2015 - 06:12 AM.

[Tumbling Dice]

I run an i5 4690k with a Zotac GTX970 and 16g Corsair Vengeance 1600 ram mounted on a ASUS Maximus Hero VII using three 23 inch monitors mounted portrait surround at a screen res of 3240 x 1920 at an almost constant 60 fps. Soon I may, or may not, try overclocking.

My bad, forgot I have the 4 cores clocked at 4300, sorry.

Edited by Wolfiac, 18 January 2015 - 06:58 AM.

[Catamount]

No one runs consistently 60fps pre-OC, or anything remotely approaching it. There might be some very high end chips that could average 60 or better without an OC, but an average is just that and can still involve plenty of time spent under 60, and MWO is very prone to severe stutters at the worst times. Getting an average of 60 because you were flying around at 120 until you landed in a bunch of shooting mechs that dragged you to 30 is not achieving great performance, especially when the worst performance always happens when you most need performance, ie when there's heavy combat.

My 3770k isn't significantly slower than a 4690k when both are stock. It might even be faster in MWO depending on whether those HT threads are helping or not (I didn't notice much difference from my 3570k). If it just comes down to IPC difference, it's like 5% slower, yay. Guess what? I don't get good framerates on that chip stock, especially with a stock user.cfg. It gets dragged into the 30s all over the place at max settings and 1080P. On Windows 7 it was even worse, because heavy particles could stutter me down into the 20s.

I can't speak for anyone else, but yeah, I noticed more than a little when I threw a ~20% OC in the chip. Even then I don't run anything approaching 60fps minimums. With a fair bit of CFGing I was able to get minimums of 45.

Edited by Catamount, 18 January 2015 - 07:55 AM.

[Nimbus Captain Brannigan]

so 4690k stock runs at 3.5 or 3.9? and if i were to OC it what am I looking to get out of it?
From what I understand, I dont really need to OC my gpu, what about ram speed should I try to push that? or is 1866 fine?
How does ram speed compare for MWO?
Another interesting question i have is, my new monitor comes with 3 different cable connections. I was reading something that hdmi connection can increase the cap of FPS on your screen. Maybe I didnt understand it right.

[Lord Letto]

ValheruThunar, on 18 January 2015 - 02:18 PM, said:

so 4690k stock runs at 3.5 or 3.9? and if i were to OC it what am I looking to get out of it?
From what I understand, I dont really need to OC my gpu, what about ram speed should I try to push that? or is 1866 fine?
How does ram speed compare for MWO?
Another interesting question i have is, my new monitor comes with 3 different cable connections. I was reading something that hdmi connection can increase the cap of FPS on your screen. Maybe I didnt understand it right.

stock base is 3.5GHz and it'll turbo itself to 3.9GHz when needed.
1866MHz Ram is Fast Enough, you shouldn't have to touch it unless you want to
HDMI Should be fine for 720 or 1080P, if you want to go with a bigger resolution there's High Speed HDMI that allows between 1080P up to 4096x2160 but a max refresh rate of only just 24 Hz (Therefore 24FPS with VSync enabled, fine for Movies but not for Games), The other option is DisplayPort that supports up to 3840x2160 @ 60 Hz (60FPS With Vsync enabled), I could be way off though: http://www.pcworld.c...s-supreme-.html