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#1 627

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 11:47 AM

Ok, I bought the Hugginn some day and after some time to get used to it, I love that autorocket thingy.

3L would be the obvious choice as next variant and for the third I took the 4X because AC20 raven. Funny thing is I never build that, instead I run 2 LPL on it and that is good.


So the 3L, I thought, meh, this will be cheese, 2 ERLL, ECM and let's go...

And now, after 25 matches and 0.79 K/D with a avg. damage of 217 per match I have to admit: that meta build doesn't fit for me.

So what now? 3ML with streaks? Saw some SRM builds but can't see how to keep the top speed with meaningful damage... so I think I need some help or ideas here :unsure:

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 03:46 PM

check out the 3L champion build, this comes to mind as well
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c39ef22cbfd3255
just an idea

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 04:28 PM

View Post627, on 17 January 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ok, I bought the Hugginn some day and after some time to get used to it, I love that autorocket thingy.

3L would be the obvious choice as next variant and for the third I took the 4X because AC20 raven. Funny thing is I never build that, instead I run 2 LPL on it and that is good.


So the 3L, I thought, meh, this will be cheese, 2 ERLL, ECM and let's go...

And now, after 25 matches and 0.79 K/D with a avg. damage of 217 per match I have to admit: that meta build doesn't fit for me.

So what now? 3ML with streaks? Saw some SRM builds but can't see how to keep the top speed with meaningful damage... so I think I need some help or ideas here :unsure:

RVN-3L

You can drop to an XL 280 for an extra ton of ammo.

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 04:36 PM

You can try Narc and 3x MPLas. [ecm]

And 1x LPL and 2x MLas. [ecm]

I've had success with both of those - never much found a place for SRM builds, myself, and the ERLLas build just doesn't suit my playstyle. It's the best build for the mech for a reason... I just personally don't enjoy that reason. =]

#5 Darrious Quinn

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 07:24 AM

The 3L is a solid platform, thus the (C) version and either normal 3L or 3L(C) is worth the investment. Since you went Huginn first, be aware that the playstye of the 3L is different. You wont have nearly as much point blank fire-power as Huginn does.

Personlly, I'vebeen runnin this now for a long while with good results. Less of a hunter-killer, more support and escort.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c104fa53dbd10d8

If you wanted more of a striker role, drop the TAG and BAP and pick up the 3rd ML and improve heat and/or ammo. If you want to go streaks (which I also used for ages before current build) I'd suggest keeping the BAP and drop Artemis, but that is up to personal tastes. I use the SRM2w/Art just for the tighter grouping and the BAP to improve sensor ranges for scouting and ECCM.

Alternatively, you can just strap on an SRM4+Art which also works well.

Edited by Darrious Quinn, 21 January 2015 - 07:14 AM.


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 10:54 AM

try XL275, 3ML, SRM4, Narc, ECM.

Play it as a close support mech and it excels.

Edited by Bigbacon, 20 January 2015 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:06 PM

The trick to any Raven is to keep yourself mingling behind your allies and take pot-shots from corners with most of your chassis hidden. That right arm, low-profile shooting is awesome.

I don't mark myself a great pilot... but in my 3L, I'm generally one of the last to die and have done anywhere from 400-600 damage. The build uses 2xERLL, BAP (sensor range), and ECM. I could probably live without the BAP. I've got full armor everywhere except my legs, which have 29 each. Again - it's a sniper, hidden with allies, poking around corners. Don't hesitate to cut your ERLL shot off a little early to get behind cover again.

My "power" Raven is the 2X with 2xLPL's. It's a little monster. I've invested somewhere over 10,000,000 C-Bills into it. It's intended to hide among allies again, but because it's not packing ECM it's hardly ever the first thing to be shot. It also pulses out 22 damage quickly at an optimal range just over 500m with mods. Again, full armor except missing 3 on each leg. I've got a 1.43 K/D ratio with it, and improving - and manage around 400-600 damage on a normal round and have gone as high as 712 damage with it.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:09 PM

My 3L, you would not like. It's a specialized mech for a specialized role.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:17 PM

View Post627, on 17 January 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

So what now? 3ML with streaks? Saw some SRM builds but can't see how to keep the top speed with meaningful damage... so I think I need some help or ideas here :unsure:


Not too hard to fit the 295 with SRMs: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9c1871dcf770f6f

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:26 PM

streaks, 2 mlas, TAG and ECM. The TAG is an XP and c-bill farm. It also keeps you from getting as hot with the 3 mlas build. I've run this build ever since the introduction of ECM. I've tried other builds and I hate them. I also really, really dislike having lights with sniping weapons or lrms on my team.

#11 HARDKOR

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:43 PM

I had great luck running 2 ML and an ER PPC

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:46 PM

View PostDarrious Quinn, on 20 January 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:


Personlly, I'vebeen runnin this now for a long while with good results. Less of a hunter-killer, more support and escort.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c3746e7f602fe9a


Any idea why your link only opens blank page saying "This web page is not available"?
Could you update the link perhaps?
Thanks!

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 04:33 AM

The Raven has been one of my favorite chassis since beta, but its usage has really changed a lot over the years. Before the clan patch, I would run it as my preferred light duelist with 3 SPLAS and 2 SSRM2, but the usability of that build went away very suddenly with the(very uncalled for) IS SSRM damage nerf and the introduction of the high range, high damage clan tech. The 3L is still a very good, effective chassis, but I've had to shift the balance of its power heavily towards the lasers in order to keep it competing with other lights. These days I run 3 MPLAS, 2 SSRM2, with caution given for its crunchy legs, and armor cleverly shaved to house 1.5 tons of ammo as follows:

RVN-3L

With 18 pinpoint pulse laser damage and streaks, it's still an effective light duelist, but you must use cover and clever piloting to hide your legs when possible to perform up to par with the Jenners and Firestarters. If you are not already using the full throttle and invert throttle key bindings, do it now, as you need them to maximize your agility. Gone are the days when this mech was effective at scouting by itself with only ECM to protect it; keeping your team within range to at least bait enemies into is very important now. Clan laser barf and pinpoint cannon spam can make your legs very red in less than a second, so making careful approaches is key to piloting this mech.

The dual ERLLAS build is something I don't use on this mech; I much prefer it on the tiny jumpjetting profile of the ecm covered 5D Spider.

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 04:43 AM

My build is this (or close to this can't remember exactly). Despite it's slow speed it doesnt do too bad as a few pilots instinctively duck back into cover when they see an ECM carrying mech splash a TAG laser across their cockpit

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0cce2bbc06d9313

I haven't settled on a final build but this is doing me well enough for getting to elite. Very nearly there. No streaks for me my Streakmando does that job.

Edited by mad kat, 21 January 2015 - 04:47 AM.


#15 Darrious Quinn

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 07:13 AM

View PostBlackloch, on 20 January 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:



Any idea why your link only opens blank page saying "This web page is not available"?
Could you update the link perhaps?
Thanks!


Well that was frigging weird. Thanks for pointing it out. link updated.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c104fa53dbd10d8

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 07:59 AM

View PostDarrious Quinn, on 21 January 2015 - 07:13 AM, said:

Well that was frigging weird. Thanks for pointing it out. link updated.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c104fa53dbd10d8

Ok thanks, much better! Looks like a nice build - props for the tag! I always tend to carry it on most of my mechs for support and easy c-bill boost.

Don't have 3L yet, but this looks like a build I would run with. Just need to master my locusts first.

Edited by Blackloch, 21 January 2015 - 08:00 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 08:55 PM

Well the 3L just went on sale with the Liao sale they are running. So now is the time to jump at it for c-bills. Otherwise, grab the champion for MC next time the champs go on sale.

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 09:40 PM

i use mine with a slower, less armored loadout but with a wide flexibility.

XL255, 1 er large laser, 2 medium laser, 2 srm4 with 2 tons of ammo.
somethign that works very well with an opportunistic playstyle. stay inside or near the own team, give ecm cover to them, use the er large laser and jump out of cover to smash already cracked up enemies.

you just gotta be careful since it doesnt have the best speed or armor but 700+ damage or 5 kills are not a problem with that thing. ist still fast enough to do some scouting, just dont run away from your team

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 09:59 PM

View Post627, on 17 January 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ok, I bought the Hugginn some day and after some time to get used to it, I love that autorocket thingy.

3L would be the obvious choice as next variant and for the third I took the 4X because AC20 raven. Funny thing is I never build that, instead I run 2 LPL on it and that is good.


So the 3L, I thought, meh, this will be cheese, 2 ERLL, ECM and let's go...

And now, after 25 matches and 0.79 K/D with a avg. damage of 217 per match I have to admit: that meta build doesn't fit for me.

So what now? 3ML with streaks? Saw some SRM builds but can't see how to keep the top speed with meaningful damage... so I think I need some help or ideas here :unsure:


i am weird and liked it stock-ish with more armour, but 2ML a tag and an SRM4 and SRM6 were also a staple winner for me. (i even used a 175 STD engine, but then i am not normal, they tank damage well though)

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 02:32 AM

RVN-3L Cerebellus is my 3L. Sometimes I swap the LPL for an ERLL, a ML, and a TAG. I like to run it as a Team Umbrella 'mech, so the LRMs let me contribute to the long-range combat phase (and if I'm TAGing I get assists off myself) while the beam weaponry lets me go after lights that are coming to try and kick my bigger, slower buddies in the backs of the knees. Overall, I'm quite pleased with it and it suits what I prefer to do with ECM a lot better than a sniper build. Not that I couldn't, but gosh, everyone snipes with a 3L. Why be samey?





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