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[LowSubmarino]

Its frustrating if you have to play with a lot of ppl that do totally brainless stuff. E.g. running into 10 mechs alone dying instantly. Its just stupid.

Even when I just started I didnt do that kind of stuff. You dont have to be experienced in a game to understand what is a smart move and what is a dumb move.

Do dumb stuff and ppl will tell you that you did dumb stuff. Do smart stuff and ppl will say 'gj mate,' and send a friend invite.

From what you wrote I have to say you would totally frustrate me too and I could very well say 'man...what are you doing???'

Sorry. Thats just how it is.

[Alistair Winter]

Brave of you to come forward like this. That being said, I'll just leave this here:

[Gryphon187]

I hear what you are saying and I feel for you. I try to combat the negativity by praising someone or the team for a game well played. I also try to thank the people who help me destroy a 'Mech, especially when I am in a bad situation. Just stick to the game. play using your own playing style and ignore the rude / nasty comments (although I admit that sometimes it is hard to do).

Another point though, if your "mech is jump capable, try "death from above". I have actually killed a Jenner by that method. And just today I did it to a King Crab and did some extra damage to it. Not bad for not having any weapons left on my "mech.

[CocoaJin]

Alistair Winter, on 18 January 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

Brave of you to come forward like this. That being said, I'll just leave this here:

[Davegt27]

You sound a little like me 7 months ago

one problem is groups no longer drop in solo queue due to the complaints but that never bothered me because they would dish out a butt kicking but also a lesson in tactics at the same time

I am not learning anything in CW for some reason I can’t put my finger on

The only thing I can say is teams are getting better (or seem to get better) and we pugs are getting worse

Anyway if you lose all your weapons either charge or try to block for others on your team

Good luck Mech Warrior

[beerandasmoke]

If your dying alone than your doing something wrong. Dont expect your teammates to back you up. Look at the situation and decide whether a push is warranted or not. Before you go around a corner you should always have an idea of what your up against. If you cant afford seismic than equip a UAV and pop it so you know what your getting into.

The reason you shutdown is because your frustrated. We all get like that and can relate. In this game though powering down is a big no no since people can spectate you and will harass you for it. Your expected to fight it out to the end. Just keep at it and learn a little patience and the skill and higher survival rate will come naturally.

[Rehl]

Instead of shutting down, just hit ESC, quit match, and start up a new mech. They'll find your wrecked mech soon enough, and you can get started in a new match all the sooner.

[Mavairo]

If it's assault or conquest, just go cap if you're maimed.
Nothing like winning a game for your team cause no one thought to finish you off the first time.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

You will get better if you stick to it. Everybody is bad at first. And you will see compliments as you get better and you move up the ELO brackets.

However, If you like running out there with it all hanging out. I would really suggest a fast light. As you can actually get out of trouble.

Unlike the hunchie you said you are using. The hunchie is a brawler/assault support mech. While it can be used by itself some. Most times you are gonna get creamed away from the group.

[Sable]

well you grew up on games that required thought, the current generation grew up on games that require twitch thinking, crime, and selfish solo gameplay. And now we're all thrown into this game together YAY!

[Xetelian]

Mavairo, on 18 January 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

If it's assault or conquest, just go cap if you're maimed.
Nothing like winning a game for your team cause no one thought to finish you off the first time.

Turrets would likely stop such an effort.

[InspectorG]

ORION OMA, on 18 January 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

I have seen 4-5 others do it. Its where I got the idea. And...I did not hide. We were on the 'Death Star' map(I don't know the real name), I backed up til I hit a wall and shut down. 3 enemy mechs walked by on the way to destroy the base.

I'll just die next time. No biggie. My real complaint is all the negativity. In general, not just for that instance.

Dude, negativity comes with online gaming.

You will see more positive remarks as your elo gets better. At least i did.

[Karl Marlow]

Heh, I will admit I find it annoying to see the last mech just shotdown in a corner. Especially if the game is close. At the same time I know that there are times where you just need to cash in your chips and call it a day.

For me that means just leaving the map. One of the more memorable times that happeend to me was on Caustic. I was in a Dire Wolf and started working my way up to the caldera. Half of my team got itself wiped before I even reached the base of the mountain. So I diverted over to that refinery to try and capture a point and maybe hole up and catch some people. By the time I reached that base the rest of my team was killed. I hadn't seen anyone to take a shot and I never was shot. I just saw teh writing on the wall so I just walked off the map to get a new match. The enemy team got all pissy about it but there was no sense in doing a 1v12.

Don't listen to the negative. Your best bet is to group up with other players and paly together. At the very least youll be running around together. As for shutting down somewhere. Your best bet is to just get a new match if the game has gone that downhill. Just run to the nearest border and 'retreat' if you dont want to go out in a blaze of glory.

[Kjudoon]

Bobzilla, on 18 January 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

Shutting down and delaying the game is actually against the CoC.

Just ignore the haters.

It is not. The only way it is against CoC is if your only action is to hide and shut down. Unfortunately it is very difficult to prove a legitimate case. Sucking is not against the rules.

The rule was meant to stop farmers and griefers. Hiding and shutting down because your side got wrecked by bad teammates or good enemies is not punishable if you tried.

So sayeth the devs.

Oh... op... welcome to the internets. Gamers be a nasty vicious lot on the balance.

Edited by Kjudoon, 18 January 2015 - 10:59 PM.

[kesmai]

welcome to pug live. Where even the best got their asses handed over from time to

time.


p.s. I am mediocre at best...

Edited by kesmai, 18 January 2015 - 11:34 PM.

[Rushyo]

ORION OMA, on 18 January 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm technically a noob, so 'a grain of salt'.

I played Mech Warrior(you know, the first one, before the internet existed)

Pedantic: The internet existed before MechWarrior.

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My complaint....er comment. No need to complain, i's just a game.

In public matches. Soooooooo many whiners.

"Thanks for shooting me in the back"..... "well don't walk in front of me". ect...

You expect to shoot people in the back without people whining? In some games you'd get kicked, instantly, for that behaviour. You don't need to be a game expert to realise shooting your own team makes you an ********. Take it on the chin.

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So look, I die a lot. I am impatient and rush into battle, sometimes by accident(who knew the whole squad was over the hill?).

Everyone else probably knew the whole squad was over the hill. That sort of game sense is quite essential to playing even mildly effectively. You're learning by doing, and part of that is accepting you will make mistakes and it will hurt others' enjoyment. You don't seem to have accepted that.

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It annoys me to die in D7 alone in a 6 vs 1 65 seconds into a match and see "Look at the dummy in D7". Guess what? I went in swinging whil he rest turned away. Yeah, in a Hunchback, so what?

So what?! You've completely missed a learning opportunity. That's what they're trying to point out: this is a dumb thing to do. Don't do it. Everybody learn from this. You are being pointed out as an example to everyone else learning. You are serving as a lesson to yourself and others. Your punishment for doing the wrong thing and bringing your team down? You're being called out as an example by people who don't want that to be the standard of play in the game. Accept the lesson.

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So today, I got wrecked 5 minutes in. Lost every wepsys, ams, everything. I backed into a corner and shut down. Guess what? The guy who usually dies first lived thru the loss(who knew that was an achievement?). All the while being berated for not "Dyeing like a man", so to speak.

Now a bunch of people have to sit around to watch your shutdown mech in order to use their own mechs. It's a very selfish thing to do. Take your own advice and remember it's just a loss; you don't need to ruin other player's ability to play another match to score the win.

You're probably not aware, as well, that it's generally more efficient to lose the match than it is to just sit there and win it in terms of rewards for everyone involved.

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It's a game. Can't win it alone anymore. I just needed to vent.

I think what you need is not to vent, you need Vent. As in, Ventrilo/Teamspeak. Find a team to teach you the basics. Or watch videos on how to play. People are complaining because you are the weak link. Whilst you can learn by cold hard experience, you could also learn from others. You seem to dislike being called out for bad play, so rather than learning from your own mistakes perhaps you can learn from others.

There is three years worth of collective knowledge about how to play this game just sitting on YouTube and 'No Guts No Galaxy', waiting for you to use it. The lessons you've put forward on this thread are all avoidable just by watching matches. From that, and your current experience, you can reach what this community considers a minimum standard of play.

Addendum: If you're upset about legitimate criticism, you're going to have real difficulty with the game once you're experienced. For every set of players who will point out legitimate flaws in your game, you'll get players like this:



Well-meaning idiots. You'll have to learn to live with it.

Edited by Rushyo, 19 January 2015 - 02:08 AM.

[Scyther]

Welcome to MWO! It's nice for us "loved BT since the days when you needed paper to play it" types to have something to play with, despite its' various shortcomings.

I've played a few 'team PvP' games and the QQ seems to be a constant in the genre. In games where you can see the stats of someone while playing, the worst whiners are almost ALWAYS the lower skilled players. Guys who expect 'the team' to make the win happen while they just do whatever.

I'll confess - like you, I tend to get into battles that afterwards I will think "damn, shouldn't a done that". Mostly because I play for some fun and excitement and I don't find hanging in the pack, walking slowly behind an assault, never poking around a corner someone else didn't spot first, peek-a-boo shooting and all those other clever strategies to be 'fun', much less exciting.

That being said, it IS a game of patience and strategy as much as wham-bam-FY-man, and the more of that you can develop the less QQing you will see (partly because you move up the ladder to mostly match with better players).

The challenges (like we just had) are very useful to me for providing a short-term, measurable reward for playing smarter and more strategically. I learn a lot when they are on.

Also, pointing out *excessive* (or just plain unnecessary) back-shooting isn't just QQing; someone who has half his back armor stripped off by 'friendly' fire is just that much easier for an enemy light to take out. Whining about every bit of laser fire you catch in the arm is different.

Main thing is, playing MWO isn't hard, playing well is quite a bit trickier. Assume you have a lot of tricks to learn, watch other players to learn them, and just remember that too much whining from (usually) low-skill players isn't a bad price to pay for the occasional chance to watch a kickass player at work.

Have fun, learn well, shrug off the crap-talk.

(PS: when I die, I usually do a scan through the other players to check build ideas, and if I see someone playing well I hang around to watch their technique over their shoulder, so to speak. Good youtube videos also can help.)

[Kiiyor]

ORION OMA, on 18 January 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

So today, I got wrecked 5 minutes in. Lost every wepsys, ams, everything. I backed into a corner and shut down. Guess what? The guy who usually dies first lived thru the loss(who knew that was an achievement?). All the while being berated for not "Dyeing like a man", so to speak.

I'm on board with everything but this - not because it's not "dying like a man" or whatever drivel they threw at you, but because it delays the end of the match unnecessarily. Sure, you can always quit and jump in another mech, but I like seeing the EOM screen (which I zealously hoard for SCIENCE) and I often play better when I run in the same mech for a while.

Shutting down means I either have to watch the inside of a darkened cockpit until the end of match, or start typing dirty limericks into chat. I've already been warned about the limerick thing once, and I spend enough time doing nothing waiting for a match to start so... um... please don't do it?

Go out trying to gnaw their ankles off.

[Bobzilla]

Kjudoon, on 18 January 2015 - 10:57 PM, said:

It is not. The only way it is against CoC is if your only action is to hide and shut down. Unfortunately it is very difficult to prove a legitimate case. Sucking is not against the rules.

The rule was meant to stop farmers and griefers. Hiding and shutting down because your side got wrecked by bad teammates or good enemies is not punishable if you tried.

So sayeth the devs.

Oh... op... welcome to the internets. Gamers be a nasty vicious lot on the balance.

I guess it's true, as long as you 'participate' in any way shape or form, then hide it's perfectly legit (run in, shoot a SML, take off). Or hide but at the last minute then shoot something.

Typical PGI. gg close...

[CygnusX7]

Personally I truly enjoy reading the rage from the guy who dies in 2 minutes and blames the team.