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[Fox Kell]

RogueLdr, on 27 January 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

Two points here.

1: Gyrok has become the "villain" because he is one of the few that speaks up (rather loudly admittedly lol) against freely giving CGB/mercs everything they ask for.
He is called a troublemaker for attempting to rally the Wolf units to standing up to aggression and to be united.
The Clan is not his to command, obviously; but he is a part of it and when everyone else is laying down or logging off, someone has to step up and say something.
Delta will gladly wear the "blackhat" if that's what it takes for us to stand united as a whole.

2: We would love nothing more then to push toward Terra, but that's rather hard when we're constantly being attacked from our flanks.

You say "who cares about those planets, they're in the back."
Let me ask you this; how many planets are "important"? just the two or three we're pushing from?

Arguably sure, that's all we need to keep pushing. But what happens when we're three worlds from Terra and everyone else decides, "yeah, we don't want Wolf to take it." and suddenly attack us?
All they have to do is take those 2-3 planets and we're instantly dropped all the way back to the Rock because we don't have anything else.

Never leave an enemy at your back.

***EDIT***
also what happens when PGI decides to magically flip that switch and add logistics. No one knows when that will be. Having only a handful of planets could be devastating when that happens.

The map will most likely be reset when that happens. If not, look, while Wolf were inactive, we was reduced to rubble. It doesnt take long to get those planets back. Given PGI gives us proper lanes to attack. We took back almost everything we lost in a matter of days...

[Fox Kell]

Kain Thul, on 27 January 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

You seem to have some sort of beef with me all of a sudden, following me from thread to thread. If you want to continue further seek me out on our TS or take it to PMs. If your feelings are hurt because I think negotiating with enemies made us look bad as a faction and I have stated so on these forums repeatedly I make no apologies. That is my stance in this matter: talk of peace and negotiations is NOT the clan way and makes us look weak, inviting more attacks and making us the laughing stock of Community Warfare. The appropriate response to force is force.

Sorry for posting on our own clan forums haha... Theres basiczlly 4-5 popular threads, trust me I'm not following u.

Also, who are you to decide what the clan way is. Lore? It doesnt belong in CW. The Wolf community will make its own Lore.

Now that we are on the same page. Terra awaits

[RogueLdr]

Fox Kell, on 27 January 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

The map will most likely be reset when that happens. If not, look, while Wolf were inactive, we was reduced to rubble. It doesnt take long to get those planets back. Given PGI gives us proper lanes to attack. We took back almost everything we lost in a matter of days...

You're making two very large assumptions, not saying you're wrong persay, but big assumptions

They have said they might not reset it for one, and we all know how fickle the lanes can be.

[Davers]

Fox Kell, on 27 January 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

Sorry for posting on our own clan forums haha... Theres basiczlly 4-5 popular threads, trust me I'm not following u.

Also, who are you to decide what the clan way is. Lore? It doesnt belong in CW. The Wolf community will make its own Lore.

Now that we are on the same page. Terra awaits

If you ignore Lore, then Terra isn't very important anymore.

[Kain Demos]

Fox Kell, on 27 January 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

Sorry for posting on our own clan forums haha... Theres basiczlly 4-5 popular threads, trust me I'm not following u.

Also, who are you to decide what the clan way is. Lore? It doesnt belong in CW. The Wolf community will make its own Lore.

Now that we are on the same page. Terra awaits

Lore does not matter in CW? All right, let us just start moving east and west then because of pretty colors.

[Fox Kell]

RogueLdr, on 27 January 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

You're making two very large assumptions, not saying you're wrong persay, but big assumptions

They have said they might not reset it for one, and we all know how fickle the lanes can be.

Assumptions is all we can make at this point as we have no idea what will become of CW. As of right now, all I know is we can push South.

[Fox Kell]

Kain Thul, on 27 January 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

Lore does not matter in CW? All right, let us just start moving east and west then because of pretty colors.

Hehe funny but your surprisingly correct. As of now, CW probably has no obj... I want to push south because its fighting the IS, our enemy in this version of CW.

Also because South = hotter

Edited by Fox Kell, 27 January 2015 - 11:48 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Kain Thul, on 27 January 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

Lore does not matter in CW? All right, let us just start moving east and west then because of pretty colors.

Best statement these days.

By the way..

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[color=#FFFFFF]In an unexpected turn of events, after an exploration ship accidentally jumped into Clan world space, four major Clan factions joined forces and have begun to attack the Inner Sphere with the ultimate goal of taking the planet Terra for their own.[/color]
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This is from the MWO official CW page. We are supposed to take Terra

I am fine with writing our own history in CW, but anything before 3049 is still the canon stuff, quiaff?

[Fox Kell]

CyclonerM, on 27 January 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

Best statement these days.

By the way..

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This is from the MWO official CW page. We are supposed to take Terra

I am fine with writing our own history in CW, but anything before 3049 is still the canon stuff, quiaff?

Fair enough.

[Repasy Cooper]

I was wondering, have you guys considered opening up an attack corridor into Steiner territory? I suppose you don't want to anger Jade Falcon forces by moving through their territory unannounced. Perhaps if you guys submit a request for Trial of Possession to GS they'd allow you to fight for the planet w/o similar political backlash that my Bear comrades caused ( .....)

You guys could agree to mobilize 1 (or however many bargained) 12-man company each, and fight for the planet only for a specific # of cycles, during agreed ceasefires/times. That way the trial won't interfere much with deployment on IS assaults. If more than 1 company wants to participate you can bargain to let companies switch out at specific times. I know it might be hard to organize due to pugs possibly attempting to drop during the engagement, but perhaps each captain could agree to let their faction know of the trial and/or set ground rules like, "Lets just make sure there are an equal number of forces on each side, and not too many people distracted from IS warfront."

Possible 'Trial Tourney' Draft:

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TRIAL OF POSSESION

"The Wolves of Kerensky have claimed the world of Harvest for their own. What tame dogs defend it?"

Wolf Unit <insert tag> requests Trial of Possession for Planet Harvest from Jade Falcon Unit [GS]. Forces are greenlit to engage @ Harvest during the last x hours of <insert ceasefire timezone: Oceanic, European, North American, for example> ceasefire window on the date of <insert date>. Wolf declares a batchall of x(in this example, 4) stars for the engagement. We (dis)agree to abide by Zellbrigen during this engagement. At the end of the agreed Trial period, whomsoever controls the planet earns the right to retain the territory. If Wolf fails to claim and hold control of Harvest by the end of the engagement, Wolf gives consent to Jade Falcon to request a similar Trial of Possession, and that we will accept the trial request and NOT attempt a Trial of Refusal.

Wolf submits this request for the expressed purpose of obtaining a new attack corridor into Steiner territory. Should Jade Falcon accept, this agreement may be revoked in combat by a formal Trial of Refusal. This Trial of Refusal may be requested once, and is only valid if executed before the greenlit date of the Trial of Possession. The Trial of Refusal may only be fought once, with max 1 star losing voters fighting 1 star winning voters using Zellbrigen rules of engagement. I, <insert 3rd party>, as a neutral party agree to oversee that rules of engagement are abided by during combat. Failure to abide by rules of engagement for this trial will result in the offending star's forfeit.

BATCHALL: (At this point, if request is accepted, both Wolf and Jade Falcon units will organize/bid/challenge for which warriors get to participate in the drop, with losing warriors acting as substitutes.)

Participating Wolf Forces: Participating Falcon Forces:
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2 2
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4 4
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7 7
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Wolf Substitues Falcon Substitutes
1 1
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"Well bargained and done!"

Signed Wolf Captain: ____________________________________

Signed Falcon Captain: __________________________________

Signed 3rd Party: _______________________________________

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[Kain Demos]

Repasy the time may come for that but we still have a lot of work to do against Ghost Bear first.

[Fox Kell]

This would require all parties involved to be super Lore heavy. Not sure it could work ?

[Kain Demos]

Fox Kell, on 27 January 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

This would require all parties involved to be super Lore heavy. Not sure it could work ?

It could--I think right now they are in the same boat as us with primarily loyalist units and little to no merc activity.

Edited by Kain Thul, 27 January 2015 - 12:33 PM.

[Fox Kell]

Kain Thul, on 27 January 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

It could--I think right now they are in the same boat as us with primarily loyalist units and little to no merc activity.

Yeah but are those Units in CJF Lore knowledgeable? Do they actually RP or not. Specifically GS since they have that lane we want.

I guess ask and we shall know.

[Repasy Cooper]

Well, I think it requires only some to be lore knowledgeable, not all. You could remove the whole Zellbrigen thing as that's more just wishful optimistic dreaming of mine

What matters most is agreeing on time, place, and unit size. A tiny bit of pug backlash after the engagement would be expected, as not everybody is forum active or teamspeak active. I'm sure this would be easy to quell though, since most peoples' focus is on the IS... lol...

As far as getting the word around, maybe best bet is twitter/social media feeds. I'm not much of a twitter guy, but I know most of the world is

[CyclonerM]

I bet JFP would accept a batchall from an unit (that means no pugs involved).

[Seth]

I am thrilled to talk about the lore with anyone! However, and I think this is something you guys have learned first hand, no one single unit or person can speak for an entire faction. Frankly, the lore enthusiast in me has taken a pretty dim view at all the attempts by various Clan leaders to negotiate treaties in order to trade planets. But even if we wanted to simply surrender a planet, or do some complicated trade, or even lost a trial, JFP cannot simply give you a planet. There is only one way to get one, and will give you a hint, it is not by posting on these forums.

[Kain Demos]

Seth, on 27 January 2015 - 04:13 PM, said:

I am thrilled to talk about the lore with anyone! However, and I think this is something you guys have learned first hand, no one single unit or person can speak for an entire faction. Frankly, the lore enthusiast in me has taken a pretty dim view at all the attempts by various Clan leaders to negotiate treaties in order to trade planets. But even if we wanted to simply surrender a planet, or do some complicated trade, or even lost a trial, JFP cannot simply give you a planet. There is only one way to get one, and will give you a hint, it is not by posting on these forums.

I agree with you 100%. If someone were to issue a batchall it should not be for the planet itself for all the reasons stated but to keep a unit out of the fight for said planet could be accomplished easily.

[Fox Kell]

Seth, on 27 January 2015 - 04:13 PM, said:

I am thrilled to talk about the lore with anyone! However, and I think this is something you guys have learned first hand, no one single unit or person can speak for an entire faction. Frankly, the lore enthusiast in me has taken a pretty dim view at all the attempts by various Clan leaders to negotiate treaties in order to trade planets. But even if we wanted to simply surrender a planet, or do some complicated trade, or even lost a trial, JFP cannot simply give you a planet. There is only one way to get one, and will give you a hint, it is not by posting on these forums.

So you suggest we plainly attack CJF? Then you will surely retaliate...and we are right back where we started. We dont want to start a war with CJF...I think?

[Vxheous]

Fox Kell, on 27 January 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

So you suggest we plainly attack CJF? Then you will surely retaliate...and we are right back where we started. We dont want to start a war with CJF...I think?

If Clan Jade Falcon completely cuts off our invasion corridor to Terra, we may have no choice but to fight them quiaff?