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[El Bandito]

Xetelian, on 28 January 2015 - 09:42 PM, said:

Yes yes we can all do that.

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Your head.

The point is not to brag about the score, but to show that playing as usual will get you enough points for the challenge without whoring for assists.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 January 2015 - 10:00 PM.

[Xetelian]

YokiLin, on 28 January 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

Okey AllHaiHypnoToad and Ohone bro, You are failed

Hope Karwa and Jud4z didn't get any Team Damage, otherwise they are failed too ( both of them got 134 points )

Getting games like this all night >_<

[Zoid]

El Bandito, on 28 January 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

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Your head.

The point is not to brag about the score, but to show that playing as usual will get you enough points for the challenge without whoring for assists.

The point of the thread itself has gone over your head it seems.

It's not hard to get enough points to qualify. Every game I've won and about 70% I've lost have qualified. But it just feels silly to pass up on kill shots when you know you're going to be close. For example, I had one loss where I had 5 assists and 492 damage (we only killed 5 of them), which came out to 133 points. Once we were down 2-8, I stopped going for kill shots and spread damage to make sure that I could qualify, which was bad play.

All we're saying is let's not go back and forth between two extremes. Just have kills and assists worth the same so people don't scramble to get the KB nor do they pass on the KB in order to get enough points for the challenge. Simple.

[synabun]

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Thats actually the most stupid thing I read today. If I play better I kill lots of people. If I do that in these tournaments I am ****** for playing good. Makes sense right? No. It does not.

It's not stupid at all, what everyone complained about in the last tournament was players playing way too aggressively, rushing in to get their kill and assist, and dying very quickly, instead of just playing smart and actually helping out the team.

and if you kill lot of people then you'll get the point anyways...unless you are killing every mech by yourself.

I've never had a round where I kill 5-6 people and have 0 assists... its usually something like 5-5, 2-9, 3-5, or something similar. all three of those will put you right in line with getting your point.

At the end of the day, it seems to me like people just want to complain. If you don't get a point it's not the end of the world. It does suck, but that's the point of these challenges, they shouldn't be automatic every round...they are basically giving you money in the form of small gift certificates to their store...be thankful.

Edited by FLOTsynergy, 29 January 2015 - 06:26 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

YokiLin, on 28 January 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

Okey AllHaiHypnoToad and Ohone bro, You are failed

Hope Karwa and Jud4z didn't get any Team Damage, otherwise they are failed too ( both of them got 134 points )

Yes they failed to reach the required point total to earn 20 MC. Those are the rules of the Tournament. So far I have only earned 20 MC. Cause of the rules. Not whining about it, I didn't even think I earned those points. I'm more interested in having a fun match to worry about the MC. I want the MC, but I am not worrying about them.

Zoid, on 29 January 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

The point of the thread itself has gone over your head it seems.

It's not hard to get enough points to qualify. Every game I've won and about 70% I've lost have qualified. But it just feels silly to pass up on kill shots when you know you're going to be close. For example, I had one loss where I had 5 assists and 492 damage (we only killed 5 of them), which came out to 133 points. Once we were down 2-8, I stopped going for kill shots and spread damage to make sure that I could qualify, which was bad play.

All we're saying is let's not go back and forth between two extremes. Just have kills and assists worth the same so people don't scramble to get the KB nor do they pass on the KB in order to get enough points for the challenge. Simple.

It won't change that it is easier to get assists than kills. And in a team game weighting aspect of team work is meant to influence that aspect.

[Zoid]

I think this thread is a wonderful example of the community here being stupidly hard to please. It's a reasonable complaint, but it is very much still a complaint. But then you also have people ******** all over it just because L2P noob.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zoid, on 29 January 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

I think this thread is a wonderful example of the community here being stupidly hard to please. It's a reasonable complaint, but it is very much still a complaint. But then you also have people ******** all over it just because L2P noob.

So we all have to agree with your opinion/complaint or be quiet? Getting upset cause everyone doesn't agree with you is just bad.

[Zoid]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 January 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

So we all have to agree with your opinion/complaint or be quiet? Getting upset cause everyone doesn't agree with you is just bad.

I'm not upset, it's just funny more than anything.

And YOUR post shows how people will read what they want into everything. I very much admitted that my complaint about the tournament is very much a complaint, but you decided to interpret it as me just being pissy about those disagreeing with me.



I just had a game that exemplifies this. 2 kills, 3 assists, 440 damage. It was a 12-2 roflstomp that we won, largely because I took my Atlas into the front line and mauled 2 mechs by myself, choosing to focus them down rather than spread damage. The result was that I barely didn't qualify. This is just kind of annoying.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zoid, on 29 January 2015 - 07:11 AM, said:

I'm not upset, it's just funny more than anything.

And YOUR post shows how people will read what they want into everything. I very much admitted that my complaint about the tournament is very much a complaint, but you decided to interpret it as me just being pissy about those disagreeing with me.



I just had a game that exemplifies this. 2 kills, 3 assists, 440 damage. It was a 12-2 roflstomp that we won, largely because I took my Atlas into the front line and mauled 2 mechs by myself, choosing to focus them down rather than spread damage. The result was that I barely didn't qualify. This is just kind of annoying.

My post does in fact show how personal bias will misread another's intent. I have wrote about it a few times. We don't read your posts with your inflections as you would read it. It is a natural thing that happens a lot.

[WarHippy]

ColdPsyker1, on 28 January 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Seriously, every single other tournament people have complained about killstealing idiots who try to pad their stats/ get credit for the tournament.

PGI puts out a tournament that discourages the killstealing play style, and yet somebody still complains?

Of course people are going to complain. They have gone from kills being worth more to kills being worth less and they still haven't figured out that making them equal is what they should have been doing all along. By giving kills and assists different values the players change their behavior to best game the system, and this usually leads to frustration for players because people are doing nutty things to earn points rather than play the game normally. They need to be equal.

[Roadkill]

WarHippy, on 29 January 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

Of course people are going to complain. They have gone from kills being worth more to kills being worth less and they still haven't figured out that making them equal is what they should have been doing all along. By giving kills and assists different values the players change their behavior to best game the system, and this usually leads to frustration for players because people are doing nutty things to earn points rather than play the game normally. They need to be equal.

They've tried equal in the past, too, and people complained about kill stealing.

Why? Because if kills and assists are worth the same amount, the epeen crowd is going to jump in front of you to steal the kill to pad their stats.

Kills have to be worth less to promote teamwork. 1/2 is probably too low, though.

[WarHippy]

Roadkill, on 29 January 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

They've tried equal in the past, too, and people complained about kill stealing.

Why? Because if kills and assists are worth the same amount, the epeen crowd is going to jump in front of you to steal the kill to pad their stats.

Kills have to be worth less to promote teamwork. 1/2 is probably too low, though.

I don't recall them ever being equal in any of the events but I will take your word for it. Anyone complaining about kill steals is blowing smoke, and would be the same ones complaining kill steals even when events like this are not going on. They need to be worth the same. Having one or the other worth more does nothing to promote teamwork, and only creates out of the ordinary game play that can be rather frustrating for a lot of people.

[Joseph Mallan]

WarHippy, on 29 January 2015 - 11:58 AM, said:

I don't recall them ever being equal in any of the events but I will take your word for it. Anyone complaining about kill steals is blowing smoke, and would be the same ones complaining kill steals even when events like this are not going on. They need to be worth the same. Having one or the other worth more does nothing to promote teamwork, and only creates out of the ordinary game play that can be rather frustrating for a lot of people.

Once or twice IIRC Hippy. But not to many.

[F4T 4L]

Xetelian, on 28 January 2015 - 01:23 PM, said:

This tournament is wonderful and thank you but I just wish Kills 20pts and assists 20pts.

Why get less points for a kill? I don't understand why this would happen.

Dude.. in terms of pay-off, kills shouldnt be a thing. A kill is just an assist where you were lucky enough to deliver the final blow.

In a real game, the most damage dealt thing delivers a bonus, kills are a non-thing.

[kapusta11]

The thing is, kills, assists and damage mean little in overall performance and are easy to abuse. If challenge is based around kills you see kill whoring, if it's based around assists you see light mechs leeching, if damge - SRM/LRM/Dakka spam.

If it were up to me I'd change formula to fit new reward system more, something like:

Kill most damage dealt + Killing blow + Kill assist + Scouting + NARC kill + TAG kill + Counter ECM + Savior kill + UAV detection >= 130

Where:
KMDD = 30 points
KB = 15 points
Assist = 10 points
Scouting = 15 points
NARC kill = 15 points
TAG kill = 15 points
Counter ECM = 15 points
Savior kill = 10 points
UAV detection = 5 per target

Edited by kapusta11, 29 January 2015 - 12:40 PM.

[F4T 4L]

kapusta11, on 29 January 2015 - 12:19 PM, said:

The thing is, kills, assists and damage mean little in overall performance and are easy to abuse. If challenge is based around kills you see kill whoring, if it's based around assists you see light mechs leeching, if damge - SRM/LRM/Dakka spam.

I agree with this.

Thing is that the first step is to decouple kills from rewards. Right?

[Revis Volek]

JohnnyWayne, on 28 January 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

Thats actually the most stupid thing I read today. If I play better I kill lots of people. If I do that in these tournaments I am ****** for playing good. Makes sense right? No. It does not.

Make assists worth the same as kills, then people won't rush for either.

Do you have evidence to support this claim? Because if you go back and look at the previous challenges and find the threads that correspond.....the DERP was very strong.

[Aresye]

Score = (Kills x 10) + (Assists x 10) + (Solo Kill x 5) + (KMDD x 5) + (DMG - Team DMG / 15)

The perfect system, which discourages kill stealing, encourages players to do meaningful damage, and awards just that "little" bit extra for those that do the most work.

[F4T 4L]

Aresye, on 29 January 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

Score = (Kills x 10) + (Assists x 10) + (Solo Kill x 5) + (KMDD x 5) + (DMG - Team DMG / 15)

The perfect system, which discourages kill stealing, encourages players to do meaningful damage, and awards just that "little" bit extra for those that do the most work.

The ego at work. Well done.

[Bigbacon]

i'm about to give up. I try my best but....130 is actually harder than it looks when me and my team always lose hardcore...I'm not that great of a player and if the round isn't close, you don't get those assist points.

Sick of the weird ass derp play that comes with these thing.. just crazy stupid stuff.

Edited by Bigbacon, 29 January 2015 - 12:52 PM.