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[Aiden IIC]

CyclonerM, on 06 February 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

Again, we are attacking you mostly because of us being surrounded by two Clans ..

Your involvement, frankly, is tertiary to me. My primary concern is the push to Terra. My secondary concern is supporting other units we are allied with. Kicking you out of our space is a luxury we'll focus on if/when we can be bothered.

I understand your clan has been slighted, but I believe you have proven your point. Continuing to carve out GB planets in the middle of FRR space isn't gaining you any attack lanes to IS. Going through Jade Falcon would be more productive at this point. However, it's been made abundantly clear that is not a favorable option for Clan Wolf to attack JF. So yes, currently you have nothing else to attack. But I believe some of that is self imposed, along with the corridor mapping that continues to cut you off.

Edited by Aiden II, 06 February 2015 - 11:48 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

If by "self-imposed" you mean "Wolf is in a **** position because they let themselves be Bear's ***** for two weeks", then I agree.

[Aiden IIC]

Vlad Ward, on 06 February 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:

If by "self-imposed" you mean "Wolf is in a **** position because they let themselves be Bear's ***** for two weeks", then I agree.

While I appreciate your trying to speak for me, that is in fact, not what I said. I recognize there are elements in every faction that enjoy stirring the pot and ensuring that controversies stay on fire and in the spotlight, so that progress is stalled in favor of squabbling. I just hope those elements do not hold a majority in those units.

Edited by Aiden II, 06 February 2015 - 01:49 PM.

[Peter2000]

Aiden II, on 06 February 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

While I appreciate your trying to speak for me, that is in fact, not what I said. I recognize there are elements in every faction that enjoy stirring the pot and ensuring that controversies stay on fire and in the spotlight, so that progress is stalled in favor of squabbling. I just hope those elements do not hold a majority in those units.

Because that would make it harder for CGB to steal all their planets.

[Aiden IIC]

Peter2000, on 06 February 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Because that would make it harder for CGB to steal all their planets.

I think I've made my point, and you're merely solidifying it. If CGB were interested in "stealing" all the planets, why did we turn a blind eye to all the incursions from CSJ last month, where the same "it's mercs being mercs" argument was used on a daily basis? We allowed diplomacy to prevail and avoided major conflict that would have had no positive outcome. For some reason, the benefit of the doubt is not being afforded this time when the shoe is on the other foot.

Edited by Aiden II, 06 February 2015 - 03:15 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

Aiden II, on 06 February 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

I think I've made my point, and you're merely solidifying it. If CGB were interested in "stealing" all the planets, why did we turn a blind eye to all the incursions from CSJ last month, where the same "it's mercs being mercs" argument was used on a daily basis? We allowed diplomacy to prevail and avoided major conflict that would have had no positive outcome. For some reason, the benefit of the doubt is not being afforded this time when the shoe is on the other foot.

Maybe because those really were just merc actions, made by merc players, with literal zero support from any CSJ faction units either in groups or as solo players. No JGx or Smoke Adders joined up in the faction groups. The mercs had to form their own 12-mans internally if they wanted to get anything done.

There was plenty of CGBI on Tan Line. GCGB also seems to attack any time they think they can get away with it (though thankfully their win ratio is so low even against pug Jag defenders that it never causes any lasting damage). But it's okay, guys. It was just the heat of the moment. Communication was bad and the major faction units didn't know any better.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 06 February 2015 - 03:35 PM.

[Kain Demos]

Peter2000, on 06 February 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Because that would make it harder for CGB to steal all their planets.

And now with the majority of their faction gone and the shoe being on the other foot they will cry foul.

[Noesis]

Vlad Ward, on 06 February 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:

If by "self-imposed" you mean "Wolf is in a **** position because they let themselves be Bear's ***** for two weeks", then I agree.

Indeed they even stated they had given up (waiting for PGI to change the mechanics that everyone else was using happily) with the attacks against them dwindling their planets. And then the algorithm at the time came to their rescue with not allowing any attacks against wolf planets anyway.

Now they have the attitude to complain about these things when they effectively decided to quit on efforts earlier.

I guess Clan Wolf won't be happy until PGI build some nice white castles in the sky for them to send their unicorn dropships from.

But they continue to claim that they are a "strong and resolute" Clan.

Edited by Noesis, 06 February 2015 - 06:16 PM.

[Prussian Havoc]

Vlad Ward, on 06 February 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:

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Peter2000, on 06 February 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

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Kain Thul, on 06 February 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

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Noesis, on 06 February 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

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Gentlemen, while it appears by your forum icons that two of you are CSJ LOYALIST, this as you and I know is NOT true. AGAIN, please stop your #FalseFlag Trolling of CSJ Trothkin.

I know you both have contributed immeasurable to CSJ victories within the game, BUT your malicious and duplicitous posts to the forum are NOT in your EMPLOYER'S best interests.

Please cease and desist ALL such posts.

Even when it became clear Aiden II was mistakenly you for LOYALISTS (instead of the term-Mercenaries you truly are) you continued your nefarious exchange with him.

Vey unprofessional of you both and reflects poorly on your respective units. If there were an MRBC you both would have been reported.

(PERIOD, FULL STOP)

Aiden II, on 06 February 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

I think I've made my point, and you're merely solidifying it. If CGB were interested in "stealing" all the planets, why did we turn a blind eye to all the incursions from CSJ last month, where the same "it's mercs being mercs" argument was used on a daily basis? We allowed diplomacy to prevail and avoided major conflict that would have had no positive outcome. For some reason, the benefit of the doubt is not being afforded this time when the shoe is on the other foot.

Good Aiden II, I abjectly apologize for the conduct of MY mercenaries.

AS A LOYALIST SMOKE JAGUAR, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL ACTIONS OF THE MERCENARIES IN MY CLAN'S EMPLOY.

I hope you forgive their inexcusable behavior and will respond to the PM, I am about to send you.

Thank you for your excellent posts to this, my OP.

[Cimarb]

We have a lot of issues, some of which are the algorithms fault, some of which are the mercenaries fault, and some of which are due to internal conflict.

As Noesis said, Clan Wolf happens to be more on the 'internal conflict' side of things, since they put themselves in a very poor position with whatever crazy "give up" idea they tried, as well as the Gyrokalypse.

Clan Ghost Bear happens to have much more of a mercenary issue than any other Clan, since we benefit from MercStar one week, then suffer when most of our major units switch along with them.

We also have a severe issue with the algorithm, since we currently have SIX (6) defense lanes and 4 attack lanes, 2-3 of which have tended to be Clan lanes for some stupid reason. For comparison, Wolf has 3/3, JF has 4/4, and SJ has 5/3 (but no more than 1 Clan).

Wolf would have that same algorithm issue if they had not played possum, and SJ is finally starting to see our plight due to their cutting across of our lanes.

So, what I am getting at is that there are a lot of issues we all have to contend with.

When we have nothing else to attack, sometimes we have to "cross streams". If possible, we would love to avoid that, but as an example, we had to push through CSJ space to try to get our Kurita lane back. I believe that is the Tin Lane (sp?) situation that is being talked about. CSJ, due to the algorithm, cut across our Kurita lane and, due to their limited attack lanes, was able to push far enough to totally cut us off. That then forces us, in order to continue moving coreward towards Terra, to cut back through CSJ space in what I like to call Operation Plaid (since that is what the map is starting to look like...).

If you cut us off, expect to be cut back until we can get out of the traffic jam. It is nothing personal - I was one in one of the groups pushing that planet, as a matter of fact, and we enjoyed playing against the 228 on a couple occasions. You do not see us attacking CSJ just to attack, though.

We DID attack Wolf just for the heck of it, but that was 99% MS and 1% CGBI just trying to get a match, since our other three planets were all at 100%.

I really wish there was a way to designate Mercenaries as Mercenaries within a faction. That would solve a lot of that problem, though not all of it.

I also wish PGI would get the algorithm issue worked out. I know they are working on it, but my goodness, it sucks.

Try not to take things so personally, and be cordial when dropping against other Clans. Push towards Terra as much as possible, and let people know that is your goal when dropping with them. If you run out of targets, or need to push through a couple planets to open up a lane, just let people know that.

We are pretty much all grown men, so let us all act that way. Oh, and last one to Terra is a surat!

[Aiden IIC]

We're all human beings here, and we all get emotional. The difference is some of us can let go of the past and move on, and others cannot. I'm hoping the former outnumber the latter.

[Noesis]

Prussian Havoc, on 06 February 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

Gentlemen, while it appears by your forum icons that two of you are CSJ LOYALIST, this as you and I know is NOT true. AGAIN, please stop your #FalseFlag Trolling of CSJ Trothkin.

I know you both have contributed immeasurable to CSJ victories within the game, BUT your malicious and duplicitous posts to the forum are NOT in your EMPLOYER'S best interests.

Please cease and desist ALL such posts.

Even when it became clear Aiden II was mistakenly you for LOYALISTS (instead of the term-Mercenaries you truly are) you continued your nefarious exchange with him.

Vey unprofessional of you both and reflects poorly on your respective units. If there were an MRBC you both would have been reported.

(PERIOD, FULL STOP)

I'm confused why you include my post as an example to quote (or not as the case may be, due to snipping) in your commentary Prussian when it is unrelated to your complaint? My comments where in relation to CW's push back over previous weeks and unrelated to CSJ events.

(Suggest using spoiler tags rather than snipping to reduce post volume, it is more courteous to both the original poster and reader about quotes you use then).

Edited by Noesis, 06 February 2015 - 11:31 PM.

[Gyrok]

Cimarb, on 06 February 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

We have a lot of issues, some of which are the algorithms fault, some of which are the mercenaries fault, and some of which are due to internal conflict.

As Noesis said, Clan Wolf happens to be more on the 'internal conflict' side of things, since they put themselves in a very poor position with whatever crazy "give up" idea they tried, as well as the Gyrokalypse.

Wolf has no internal conflict...

[Vlad Ward]

Prussian Havoc, on 06 February 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

Gentlemen, while it appears by your forum icons that two of you are CSJ LOYALIST, this as you and I know is NOT true. AGAIN, please stop your #FalseFlag Trolling of CSJ Trothkin.

I know you both have contributed immeasurable to CSJ victories within the game, BUT your malicious and duplicitous posts to the forum are NOT in your EMPLOYER'S best interests.

Please cease and desist ALL such posts.

Even when it became clear Aiden II was mistakenly you for LOYALISTS (instead of the term-Mercenaries you truly are) you continued your nefarious exchange with him.

Vey unprofessional of you both and reflects poorly on your respective units. If there were an MRBC you both would have been reported.

(PERIOD, FULL STOP)

Good Aiden II, I abjectly apologize for the conduct of MY mercenaries.

AS A LOYALIST SMOKE JAGUAR, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL ACTIONS OF THE MERCENARIES IN MY CLAN'S EMPLOY.

I hope you forgive their inexcusable behavior and will respond to the PM, I am about to send you.

Thank you for your excellent posts to this, my OP.

Edit: I don't care any more.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 06 February 2015 - 11:51 PM.

[Aiden IIC]

Gyrok, on 06 February 2015 - 11:34 PM, said:

Wolf has no internal conflict...

Thank you for clearing that up, Gyrok. I have no doubt you have been as instrumental in keeping the peace within your own clan as you have outside it.

[Peter2000]

Prussian Havoc, on 06 February 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

Gentlemen, while it appears by your forum icons that two of you are CSJ LOYALIST, this as you and I know is NOT true. AGAIN, please stop your #FalseFlag Trolling of CSJ Trothkin.

I know you both have contributed immeasurable to CSJ victories within the game, BUT your malicious and duplicitous posts to the forum are NOT in your EMPLOYER'S best interests.

Please cease and desist ALL such posts.

Even when it became clear Aiden II was mistakenly you for LOYALISTS (instead of the term-Mercenaries you truly are) you continued your nefarious exchange with him.

Vey unprofessional of you both and reflects poorly on your respective units. If there were an MRBC you both would have been reported.

(PERIOD, FULL STOP)

Prussian, I like you, but GET OFF YOUR DAMNED HIGH HORSE. It's bullshit posts like this that put people off of roleplayers. Just because I'm a merc doesn't mean that I can't look out for my employer's interests*, nor that I am not entitled to my own opinion.

Never did I suggest that I had perm-conned onto CSJ, so your charge is absurd. I did state (as I have before) that I consider CGB's actions to be duplicitous and harmful to CSJ, and that they are not worthy of the trust you have put in them.

*and my employer is CSJ as a whole - not you personally!

Edited by Peter2000, 07 February 2015 - 06:54 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Prussian Havoc, on 06 February 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

Gentlemen, while it appears by your forum icons that two of you are CSJ LOYALIST, this as you and I know is NOT true. AGAIN, please stop your #FalseFlag Trolling of CSJ Trothkin.

I know you both have contributed immeasurable to CSJ victories within the game, BUT your malicious and duplicitous posts to the forum are NOT in your EMPLOYER'S best interests.

Vey unprofessional of you both and reflects poorly on your respective units. If there were an MRBC you both would have been reported.

Good Aiden II, I abjectly apologize for the conduct of MY mercenaries.

AS A LOYALIST SMOKE JAGUAR, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL ACTIONS OF THE MERCENARIES IN MY CLAN'S EMPLOY.

I hope you forgive their inexcusable behavior and will respond to the PM, I am about to send you.

Wow. How did i miss such a post?

Respect and honor to you trothkin, you are a true warrior. Taking responsability for CSJ's mercs' actions.. No Bear would dare to do it i fear.

[Vlad Ward]

You know you're doing something right when Clan Wolf is complimenting your Faction-Merc relations.

[Cimarb]

Gyrok, on 06 February 2015 - 11:34 PM, said:

Wolf has no internal conflict...

You seriously just made me rofl. Thank you <o

CyclonerM, on 07 February 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

Taking responsability for CSJ's mercs' actions.. No Bear would dare to do it i fear.

We are not responsible for MS, just as CSJ is not responsible for theirs. I do not condone the attack of MS against Wolf, but only because it was a waste of resources that could have been made towards Terra. On the other hand, the attack of Tan Linh was a good use of resources against CSJ, since it is needed to open our Kurita attack lane back up.

Regardless, if you make a bed, you need to be willing to lay in it. Instead, how about we stop insulting each other, and push coreward, like we are supposed to be?

[Chemistrius]

Cimarb, on 07 February 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

You seriously just made me rofl. Thank you <o


We are not responsible for MS, just as CSJ is not responsible for theirs. I do not condone the attack of MS against Wolf, but only because it was a waste of resources that could have been made towards Terra. On the other hand, the attack of Tan Linh was a good use of resources against CSJ, since it is needed to open our Kurita attack lane back up.

Regardless, if you make a bed, you need to be willing to lay in it. Instead, how about we stop insulting each other, and push coreward, like we are supposed to be?

Seyla