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[Kuritaclan]

DV McKenna, on 03 February 2015 - 05:38 AM, said:

Why would you buy a mid range GPU to push resolutions of 3840*2160

That's like buying a Peugoet 206 and expecting to match Ferrari Lap times

If all you have is extreme resolutions to discredit a mid range GPU i feel sorry for you.

The OP isn't gaming at those resolutions and has stated he is unlikely to go beyond 1080P

so use the actual relevant benchmarks of 1080P from this page.

http://www.tomshardw...960,4038-4.html

Right where it's supposed to be, playable framerates at high detail 1080P

The 280X is by now and was a mid range GPU, the 770 was a mid range GPU the 970 is now a mid range GPU. The 960 is a low buget gpu (those chips which get on the pcbs are the junk what have some faults and therefore didn't meant to be in a 980 or a 970) Those Resolutions are the price of performance. What now is >30FPS on 3840 will with new engines and games be >30FPS on 1440p in two years and in 4 years >30FPS on 1080p with same lvl of detail don't mind that textures will then bootlneck the vram maybee anyhow.

xWiredx, on 03 February 2015 - 05:52 AM, said:

OP: Based on everything you've mentioned, a GTX 960 from EVGA is your best choice. With your resolution not even being 1080p, there's definitely no need for more than 2GB of VRAM. Your CPU will be a limiting factor no matter which newer card you get (until you build a newer system).

There is a catch! If you plan on upgrading to a 1080p monitor before too long and whatever card you buy now will still be used at that point, the GTX 970 becomes a better prospect. CW matches use more VRAM, and at 1080p can go over the 2GB limit that the GTX 960 would have (dependent on video settings obviously).

Good point. That is dynamic development of online games. Like a GTX 2XX with Core2Quad was handeling World of Warcraft 10 years ago well it is now to bad since the engine has developed to the need of more performance. Well MWO doesn't have the budget for development like WOW but int the end this will just happen. And CW is a clear sign for the future of the grapic quality of this game. Today i would recommend for a good quality WOW expirience 4k DSR with a 970 in WOW with maxed Details to overcome the flaws of the old engine.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 03 February 2015 - 06:00 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kuritaclan, on 03 February 2015 - 05:55 AM, said:

The 280X is by now and was a mid range GPU, the 770 was a mid range GPU the 970 is now a mid range GPU. The 960 is a low buget gpu (those chips which get on the pcbs are the junk what have some faults and therefore didn't meant to be in a 980 or a 970) Those Resolutions are the price of performance. What now is >30FPS on 3840 will with new engines and games be >30FPS on 1440p in two years and in 4 years >30FPS on 1080p with same lvl of detail don't mind that textures will then bootlneck the vram maybee anyhow.

Uh the *60 series of cards for nvidia has always been classed as the sweetspot mid range (1080P), budget is *50 series

*70/80 are your higher end cards.

Edited by DV McKenna, 03 February 2015 - 05:59 AM.

[Kuritaclan]

DV McKenna, on 03 February 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

Uh the *60 series of cards for nvidia has always been classed as the sweetspot mid range (1080P), budget is *50 series

*70/80 are your higher end cards.

Well then what is 80TI and or Titans and or double GPU cards. Those are the ultra hig end cards and the mega deathball super dupper high end cards. In the end Both oems do it the same way they have one chip and the thrashed chip fit into lower price range cards.

Yes in the end it is my classification 60s are low 70s are mid 80s are high on the Set chip. And the Refreshs are TI/Vram Updated Cards. Not looking on the performance chip and the big chips with tick tock. Because if you use this 960 to 980 is the low chip class and big maxwell XX60 to XX80 are then high end chip class.

And don't fortget about those ready to go - wall mart pcs with a a brand new GTX card and even more restricted cards. When the reference cards had like 1GB those got 768. xD This are the reall low end products.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 03 February 2015 - 07:17 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kuritaclan, on 03 February 2015 - 06:08 AM, said:

Well then what is 80TI and or Titans and or double GPU cards. Those are the ultra hig end cards and the mega deathball super dupper high end cards. In the end Both oems do it the same why they have one chip and the mroe thrashed chips get fit into lower price range cards.

Yes in the end it is my classification 60s are low 70s are mid 80s are high on the Set chip. And the Refreshs are TI/Vram Updated Cards.

And don't fortget about those ready to go - wall mart pcs with a a brand new GTX card and even more restricted cards. When the reference cards had like 1GB those got 768. xD This are the reall low end products.

80TI and Titans are enthusiast cards for people where money isn't a concern

[Lord Letto]

Go big or Go Home, get the 970, sure some of it may go to waste for now but will it hurt performance, likely not (Correct me if I'm wrong), better be safe than sorry and get the extra headroom, more so for your next system, cause why spend ~$200 now for the 960 only to spend ~350 for a 970 later when you can save ~$200 by skipping the 960 and just go to the 970?

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Lord Letto, on 03 February 2015 - 06:51 AM, said:

Go big or Go Home, get the 970, sure some of it may go to waste for now but will it hurt performance, likely not (Correct me if I'm wrong), better be safe than sorry and get the extra headroom, more so for your next system, cause why spend ~$200 now for the 960 only to spend ~350 for a 970 later when you can save ~$200 by skipping the 960 and just go to the 970?

Because it depends when he plans to upgrade that CPU.
If it's not for 2+ years spending $350 on a 970 is wasted as we will be into newer generations

[Goose]

Sir? I hate to say it, but get the 750Ti: If you didn't need a card right noaw, I'd tell you to not spend any money until you had your whole new system mapped out; But in this case, the little Ti meets the "three tiers to see the improvement" maxim Tom's espouses, and will slip in with nether effort nor cash outlay …

Play your cards right with your next motherboard, and you can drive some extra monitors with this 750. ;-)

[Furry Fox]

Hello, all.

An interesting development has occurred! I spoke with a technician at EVGA, and apparently my GTX 280 came with a limited lifetime warranty. As a result, they are willing to replace it with a card capable of equal or greater performance for free via their RMA program. The tech on the phone said that the card will likely be a GTX 6xx, but he's not exactly sure. So, I will give this a shot before spending $200 to $350 on a new card. If for some reason the replacement card doesn't perform as well as my old one, then I will have to decide between the GTX 960 and the GTX 970.

I will update this thread as more information becomes available regarding the replacement card! Thank you so much for all of your input - I sincerely appreciate it. I learned a lot regarding what's on the market and just how much better it is than what I currently own.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

as long as it's a 660 or above and it's free...it will be ok.

[Goose]

Seems to me a 650Ti was equal to a 280, so watch out …

[Lord Letto]

Goose, on 03 February 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

Seems to me a 650Ti was equal to a 280, so watch out …

Toms GPU Hierarchy lists the GTX 260, 275, 280 on par with the 460 192 bit, 460 SE, 550 TI, 560 SE, GT 650 (Likely Typo for the GTX 650) & GT 740 (GDDR5) on the Nvidia Side, on the ATI/AMD Side it's on par with the HD 4870, 5770, 4890, 5830, 6770, 6790, 7750 (GDDR5), R7 250 (GDDR5) & 250E, the GTX650Ti is 2 Steps above on par with the 560 (Non Ti) & 750 (Non Ti) for Nvidia & the HD 5850, 6870 & 7790 for ATI/AMD: http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-7.html

Edited by Lord Letto, 03 February 2015 - 02:38 PM.

[Rebel816]

I bought an EVGA 970 a couple months ago and its been great compared to the 550ti i had prior. it handles 1080p gaming extremely well with games like skyrim, farcry4, battlefield, dark souls 2...everything runs great at max settings compared to the constant stuttering on medium settings that my 550ti did. if you've got a budget of $350, id totally recommend it without hesitation.

Now with MWO on the other hand, it really didnt make as much of an improvement as i was hoping, on high i still sit between 30-45fps which is only about 10-15fps more than with the 550ti.

turns out MWO is rather cpu dependent and my old amd phenomII and GHz isnt quite up to it, as the other person i play with bought the same exact card along with an i5 is getting a constant 80-90fps out of his.

Edited by Rebel816, 03 February 2015 - 03:05 PM.

[MechWarrior4172571]

Furry Fox, on 02 February 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

Thanks a bunch!

Well, my current monitor runs at 1650x1080. While I might someday upgrade to a 1080p monitor, I don't think I'll ever get a 1440p or 4k one. Given that information, is the 970 not worth it? I found this website to compare them http://gpuboss.com/g...GeForce-GTX-960, but I'm not sure of the significance of those figures.

I would not object to paying more for the 970 if it provides a noticeable performance increase over the 960 at my resolution. I'll try to find more detailed reviews of each card as you suggested.

970 is way worth it the upgrade money over 960.

256 bit bus over 128 bit being the biggest difference

Don't forget that monitor resolution is not all there is to it--newer games could pop at you more eye candy with dynamic resolution scaling (designed for loweer resolution monitors) and new tricks and tweaks; and if you like to play your games at ultra settings there is no comparision---just get 970 and forget about it. Next thing you know you would realize how limited you are by your current cpu and go on a cpu shopping spree.. take my word for it.

[Goose]

If the world has given up on SSAA and MSAA, how much does bus throughput matter?

[Furry Fox]

Welp, it looks like EVGA is going to send me a new GTX 280 to replace my dead GTX 280! Can't complain. I'm just surprised that they had one sitting around. Amazing customer service.

[Lord Letto]

Furry Fox, on 03 February 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Welp, it looks like EVGA is going to send me a new GTX 280 to replace my dead GTX 280! Can't complain. I'm just surprised that they had one sitting around. Amazing customer service.

Same here, wow, they can still get a 6.5-7 Year old GPU, that's interesting! Makes me wonder how well they sold when it came out back in 2008 if they still have some laying around?

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 03 February 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

If the world has given up on SSAA and MSAA, how much does bus throughput matter?

And when that 128 bus throughput uses maxwell compression which is vastly different from previous generations

[MechWarrior4172571]

Goose, on 03 February 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

If the world has given up on SSAA and MSAA, how much does bus throughput matter?

Would you rather travel 2 lane road during traffic conditions or a 1 lane road?

256 is 128 multiplied by 2

Lord Letto, on 03 February 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

Same here, wow, they can still get a 6.5-7 Year old GPU, that's interesting! Makes me wonder how well they sold when it came out back in 2008 if they still have some laying around?

doh, they have e-bay

I doubt that replacement GPU is going to be new.

Furry Fox, on 03 February 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

Hello, all.

An interesting development has occurred! I spoke with a technician at EVGA, and apparently my GTX 280 came with a limited lifetime warranty. As a result, they are willing to replace it with a card capable of equal or greater performance for free via their RMA program. The tech on the phone said that the card will likely be a GTX 6xx, but he's not exactly sure. So, I will give this a shot before spending $200 to $350 on a new card. If for some reason the replacement card doesn't perform as well as my old one, then I will have to decide between the GTX 960 and the GTX 970.

I will update this thread as more information becomes available regarding the replacement card! Thank you so much for all of your input - I sincerely appreciate it. I learned a lot regarding what's on the market and just how much better it is than what I currently own.

Congradulations. That is indeed an awesome development. Maybe I should switch to EVGA from now on? I am tired of MSI.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Jesus DIED for me, on 04 February 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

Would you rather travel 2 lane road during traffic conditions or a 1 lane road?

256 is 128 multiplied by 2
.

It's not quite that simple though.

[Furry Fox]

Good news, everyone!

My replacement GTX 280 has arrived, and it's working great so far.