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[Adridos]

Terminal Blue, on 08 July 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

I... wait, what? How did you decide that I was a furry again? Your baseless accusations do not phase me.

Obsession with birds who speak... that's the same as with other furries who are obsessed with wolves which speak.

[Terminal Blue]

Tetatae are canon, son.

[Anton Lysenko]

Well, I have to say that in the game fiction, there are more people using honor than just the Clanners and the Draconians. Someone did mention already the Confederation's House Ijori which follows a type of Bushido. There is also the FWL's Knights of the Inner Sphere (est. 3055). I would say at least some individuals as well, such as Morgan Kell.

That said, the Lorix philosophy followed and promulgated by the Confederation, stresses the role of the warrior caste in protecting the citizens of the Confederation. We are the apex of the system because we are the protectors. We will do whatever is necessary to serve the Chancellor and the People of the Confederation. there is no dishonor in striving to the utmost against a fellow warrior, especially when the Confederation is so outnumbered. Our strength is not in our numbers but in our resolve. What was ours will be ours once more. Let the Davions and their Steiner lackeys beware: we will return.

OOC: IMTasu, I understand some of what you're saying. but there is no way to enforce this on everyone. I'll play like I do in other games: to win. Does that mean I'll be an ***? No. I'll take the shot I can. If it's a head shot, so be it. If someone stumbles off a cliff, it depends: Locust and I'm in an Atlas, I'll lol and ignore him. If I'm in the Locust, I'm ganking him, flat out. Heat shutdown: depends on the tactical at the time. I don't like "teabagging" a player, even if it was stupid enough to not heat manage. Downed 'mech? No reason to pound it into scrap if it's truly down and out. Sorry, but that's just the way of it.

Does that mean I'm a rotten person who doesn't deserve to be a citizen of the Confed? Well, I don't aspire to a Warrior House, and if I did, it would be Ma-Tsu Kai. And I'm pretty sure the 'Historian's Challenge" would see it my way since I'm a professional historian myself. Actually, I'd probably emulate the 15th Dracon, an old SLDF unit that's now in service to the Confed (and has been since the 1SW): hit the enemy fast and hard and keep them away from the civilians. Or, as I was taught in basic training in 1988: the best way to win a fight is to leave the other guy in a bloody heap at your feet.

[Adridos]

Terminal Blue, on 08 July 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Tetatae are canon, son.

That has nothing to do with it. Wolves exist too.

Obsession with animal to the point of interpretating it = furrysm
You pretend to be a bird which speaks, acts like a human and even try to speak as one = you're a furry, like it or not.

[Vandal]

Uuuuuh, I actually am Tetatae, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop oppressing me with your alien bird erasure, thank you very much.

[Amberlance]

Adridos, we would appreciate if you would not derail This Very Interesting Thread (T.V.I.T) with your bigoted views. We are discussing the way of the Warrior and its philosophical and practical applications in modern Capellan battle doctrine, if you would care to contribute constructively.

Valued comrades have so far only addressed honour as it exists for magnanimous victors. To fail to consider the opposite; the final fate that faces us all in battle. Can there be honour in death?

"The Way of the Samurai is found in death. Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day, when one's body and mind are at peace, one should meditate upon being ripped apart by arrows, rifles, spears, and swords, being carried away by surging waves, being thrown into the midst of a great fire, being struck by lightning, being shaken to death by a great earthquake, falling from thousand-foot cliffs, dying of disease or committing seppuku at the death of one's master. And every day, without fail, one should consider himself as dead. This is the substance of the Way of the Samurai."

Ghost Dog, Way of the Samurai (1999)

All men must die, but death can vary in its significance. Though death befalls all men alike, it may be weightier than the world or lighter than a feather. To die for the people is weightier than the world, but to work for the fascists and die for the exploiters and oppressors is lighter than a feather.

Edited by Amberlance, 09 July 2012 - 04:00 AM.

[Rorusbass]

Most people are not very usefull once dead, therefore dying is only acceptable when the action which leads to your death has more value for the confederation then when you are alive. This might be the honor you speak of, but staying alive is still perfered.

[SendMyRegards]

Go ahead and be honorable all you want. Just don't be surprised when you're dead because I went for your cockpit instead of standing still and shooting into the most heavily armored area on a battlemech.

Luckily for you, legging anything other than a light is a waste of time. All of the ammo spent legging someone would be better spent hitting that torso.

[Terminal Blue]

Adridos, on 09 July 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

That has nothing to do with it. Wolves exist too.

Obsession with animal to the point of interpretating it = furrysm
You pretend to be a bird which speaks, acts like a human and even try to speak as one = you're a furry, like it or not.

Can I borrow your logic and declare everybody robosexuals for playing a game with stompy robots?

[Adridos]

Terminal Blue, on 09 July 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

Can I borrow your logic and declare everybody robosexuals for playing a game with stompy robots?

Sexuality is a different thing and can't be applied here, since noone can ... with a mech.
Are all people who like cars automobilesexuals? Or people who like games gamesexuals?

No. Please, if you want to prove me wrong, use a valid argument.

[Haydin]

For my faction-y answer:
As a member of the CCAF, it is your duty to kidnap your enemy's child, brainwash them, ransom them, and then have them throw dirt in there parents face so you can get a cheap shot in and kick them while they are down.

Except with less kidnapping and children and more assassination, burning things, and planting explosives everywhere in all circumstance. And if they're already in their mech? Well, clearly someone isn't doing a good enough job so you should set the enemy on fire and cave their cockpit in with a TSM boosted hatchet.swing while they are screaming and flailing around. And make sure you set some mines up around the fallen mech in case he has some friends that want come to see if he's still alive. Then you can stomp in the back of their torsos after their mechs have their feet blown off and fall flat on their face.

"Honorable combat" is winning a battle for the glory of the confederation, not delaying an objective or risk losing valuable equipment and personnel for the sake of personal satisfaction.

For a not-so faction-y response:
In Mechwarrior 4 mercs, I always played stuff in the 40-70 ton range or so and I liked the short and medium range brawlers. My most played mech was probably a shadow cat with a decent speed, an LBX20, 2 MPL, 2ERML, and a streak SRM-4. Needless to say, after a long time fighting gigantic alpha strikes that instantly core you from mechs twice your size, I had to learn real fast how to pick and choose when and where I fight and to ALWAYS try to find a way to tip the scales your way before starting in on someone. Helped with ammo too - if there's a fight going on I want to be alive and shooting for as long as humanly possible, and a good way to conserve ammo is to hit them in their soft spots with your big guns. I am looking forward to playing the same sort of style in MWO, especially with the advantages having a smaller, faster mech in their quickly to spot for your lancemates.

Terminal Blue, on 09 July 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

Can I borrow your logic and declare everybody robosexuals for playing a game with stompy robots?

Only if you use the term "roboner" to describe the state stompy robots induce in healthy males.

Edited by Haydin, 10 July 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[Squidhead Jax]

Haydin, on 10 July 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

For my faction-y answer:
As a member of the CCAF, it is your duty to kidnap your enemy's child, brainwash them, ransom them, and then have them throw dirt in there parents face so you can get a cheap shot in and kick them while they are down.

Except with less kidnapping and children and more assassination, burning things, and planting explosives everywhere in all circumstance.

...Can't it be both?

[Terminal Blue]

Adridos, on 10 July 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Sexuality is a different thing and can't be applied here, since noone can ... with a mech.
Are all people who like cars automobilesexuals? Or people who like games gamesexuals?

No. Please, if you want to prove me wrong, use a valid argument.

Clearly you don't know how creative people can be in their use of inanimate objects.

And... wait, my borrowed logic is now invalid because... um, it's me using it instead of you I guess? Shine on, man.

Haydin, on 10 July 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Only if you use the term "roboner" to describe the state stompy robots induce in healthy males.

I think roboner is a must.

Edited by Terminal Blue, 10 July 2012 - 01:31 PM.

[Bastard Ken]

Adridos, on 10 July 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

No. Please, if you want to prove me wrong, use a valid argument.

Look, one of the basic rules of debate is that the person (you) making a claim (furries) is the one that has to prove it. You are wrong by default, no-one else has to prove anything.

On the topic of legging:

Ghost Dog 2: Book of Five Rings said:

The Way of strategy is the Way of nature. When you appreciate the power of nature, knowing the rhythm of any situation, you will be able to hit the enemy naturally and strike naturally. All this is the Way of the Void. I intend to show how to follow the true Way according to nature in the book of the Void.

[Beazle]

Terminal Blue, on 09 July 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

Can I borrow your logic and declare everybody robosexuals for playing a game with stompy robots?

Only if you put the robots in a dress, or frilly underwear.

On topic:

Honor is a subjective term. I've done plenty of things that would not be considered "honorable" by many cultures, but the one i called home gave me medals. I don't think you will find many people who don't consider themselves to have some sort of "code of honor", even if it is as basic as "don't shoot kittens more than once".

Each persons own code of honor is the only one that really matters, because it's the only one that's going to make them lose sleep at night.

[wanderer]

Terminal Blue, on 10 July 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I think roboner is a must.

This explains why the Atlas is a poster child for Battletech. Perpetual roboner, aka AC/20 or Like A Gauss (if a -K or other upgrade).

[Amberlance]

Please let's not joke about shooting kittens more than once.

[Beazle]

Amberlance, on 10 July 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

Please let's not joke about shooting kittens more than once.

Yes, this is obviously in poor taste.

Everybody knows that a kitten can't take more than one shot anyway.

It's too much of a !^$$*.

[Adridos]

******* Ken, on 10 July 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Look, one of the basic rules of debate is that the person (you) making a claim (furries) is the one that has to prove it. You are wrong by default, no-one else has to prove anything.

I've proven it by showing that you perfectly fit the desription of a furry.

It's your turn to somehow prove me wrong.

[Terminal Blue]

wanderer, on 10 July 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

This explains why the Atlas is a poster child for Battletech. Perpetual roboner, aka AC/20 or Like A Gauss (if a -K or other upgrade).

Well you see, there's the question of minimum barrel length when it comes to torso-mounted ballistic weapons...

Adridos, on 11 July 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

I've proven it by showing that you perfectly fit the desription of a furry.

It's your turn to somehow prove me wrong.

I boggle at the mind that lead to this posting. In case you didn't notice, you implied that ******* Ken perfectly fits the description of a furry. I thought it was my potential furrydom you were calling into question here.

Can we please get back on topic here?

EDIT: It's me. I'm the topic. Me and my alleged furrydom.

Edited by Terminal Blue, 11 July 2012 - 02:06 AM.