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[Mycrus]

Well i do agree that the fact that ingersoll still is in liao hands points to something...

[Necromantion]

Socop, on 09 February 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

If you don't mind sending me the info that'd be great. I or one of the the ambassadors for our council could maybe get in contact with CI and ACES and see if we could clear things up and share any concerns we have on each end. I think there was a flare up because of misunderstandings and I'd like to help nip that in the bud - thank you for the contact info and names!

EDIT: some info for some info for MS as well: If you'd ever like to contact House Kurita, our main playerbase are currently six units with their heads that collectively vote to try and steer our house in certain directions, they are:


North America:

NKVA: Socop
NS: Prophetic
9SD: Mastachang10
6RNT: Chameleon257

We also have 2 German Units on the Council:

36th Dieron Regulars: MahKraah
11th Legion of Vega: Reitmeier

Generally contacting one of the 6 of us is best or one of our ambassadors, as we tend to all share information with each other and hold votes on what to do next collectively like Mercstar, only with 6 votes currently (hopefully more soon!) than 9.

Comstar NA TS info:
na1.mech-connect.net

MS info I am not sure if we are giving out I will pm you with it later if Tony says its ok, I have heard various things as to aye/nay and I will clarify later.

I will also pass that info on to Antonius for you.

Thanks

Mycrus, on 09 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Well i do agree that the fact that ingersoll still is in liao hands points to something...

Like I said, we have respected Marik agreements that were standing when we joined this faction just as we did with CGB and all other factions we've been with previously.

[Roadbeer]

Necromantion, on 09 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Roadbeer give over, one individual rubs you the wrong way and you quote the same thing over and over. MS is made up of a bunch of units, Tony is the individual who keeps those units communicating with each other and is the major outward facing figure for MS through which all other unit leaders speak and trust him to not skew their opinions or stance on things.

Hybrid is not Antonious Rex. I do respect and like Hybrid as he is an extremely competent player and fun to play however his sense of humor, and posts on the forums I cannot speak for.

However Roadbeer if you want to continue marching on taking one comment and using it as an excuse to say MS as a whole is unreasonable that is your decision but it just makes you look like the dramatic schoolgirl in highschool screaming "I wont be friends with you if youre friends with him/her"

Just saying it how it is.

Just trying to get the truth.

If, as Hybrid says and using his words "Hbizzle doesn't speak for MS, just one unit of it" then what's open to interpretation? If that's not the case then it would do MS well to muzzle their dog.

But while we're picking on single comments, lets talk about the whole "MS was kicked from the meeting without being given a reason" and how your members have glommed on to that completely false statement and carried it as a torch.

As long as we're using the High School Girl analogy, y'all acting like Anna told Mary that Becky uninvited Suzie from her birthday party because she got Mono from kissing Becky's boyfriend Brad. When in reality Becky asked Suzie not to come to the party because she had Chicken Pox.

As I have said REPEATEDLY, Marik has enjoyed a long relationship with Antonious Rex, and value him as an honest agent when dealing with SwK and MS. Also, we have worked with HBizzle in the past as well, and he has said some very great things about Marik on reddit and we value our relationship with him as well.

During MS's stay with Marik they have, as has been pointed out, honored our agreements that were in place when they signed on. Nobody is saying that they haven't.

All I am saying is that on one hand you have a member of MS who is saying "Talk to these people", and you have another member who is saying "Regardless of what's been said, MS does what it wants, and these people don't represent MS as a whole". AFAIK, neither of you speak for MS, so I'm just trying to get to the truth. Because whichever of you two is wrong, then they need to STFU.

Edited by Roadbeer, 09 February 2015 - 10:02 AM.

[Necromantion]

Roadbeer, on 09 February 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Just trying to get the truth.

If, as Hybrid says and using his words "Hbizzle doesn't speak for MS, just one unit of it" then what's open to interpretation? If that's not the case then it would do MS well to muzzle their dog.

But while we're picking on single comments, lets talk about the whole "MS was kicked from the meeting without being given a reason" and how your members have glommed on to that completely false statement and carried it as a torch.

As long as we're using the High School Girl analogy, y'all acting like Anna told Mary that Becky uninvited Suzie from her birthday party because she got Mono from kissing Becky's boyfriend Brad. When in reality Becky asked Suzie not to come to the party because she had Chicken Pox

HBizzle is one of the unit leaders of the multitude of units in MS. Hybrid is hybrid and once again it is not my place to tell him how to conduct himself online, his unit leader is Antonius I believe.

Regarding the removal of one or all MS individuals from the meeting: I was not there however there was talk about that happening on TS right after it happened but I was not paying much attention. Though why one or all would be removed/kicked is beyond me as Tony and Hbizzle are not hot headed individuals by any means, nor are they unreasonable. The third person who was with them I cannot recall. Also once again that would bring up the question as to why one or all were removed from a meeting when they are part of the 7th house indicated on this Star League document, no?

Also nobody is gossip mongering or creating fictitious happenings, so your attempt at a witty analogy to somehow dodge the valid point I made isn't exactly convincing. So once again if you insist on beating a dead horse that really was never alive in the first place so be it.

So one last time, MS is made up of units, Antonius Rex speaks for all of those units. That is all.

[HARDKOR]

I was really hoping this thread would deliver.

5/10

Do better next time please. You can't rule the galaxy if you can't even troll each other properly.

[poopenshire]

Girls, Girls, Girls.....

You're all pretty.

Can't we just agree not everyone saw it the same way and lets work to not make that same mistake again.

Its a sad sad day when I have to try to be the voice of reason. We all have 1 goal, and that is to have fun and play this game.
Right now we want to take it to the Clans to keep some sort of balance in this game so PGI does not FUBAR it more.

MS and CI are always welcome to take part and communicate and I will always come to the table if they request it. Going forward all houses should strive to be inclusive of the teams who make up large part of the game, the Merc Corps.

[Necromantion]

poopenshire, on 09 February 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

Girls, Girls, Girls.....

You're all pretty.

Can't we just agree not everyone saw it the same way and lets work to not make that same mistake again.

Its a sad sad day when I have to try to be the voice of reason. We all have 1 goal, and that is to have fun and play this game.
Right now we want to take it to the Clans to keep some sort of balance in this game so PGI does not FUBAR it more.

MS and CI are always welcome to take part and communicate and I will always come to the table if they request it. Going forward all houses should strive to be inclusive of the teams who make up large part of the game, the Merc Corps.

The first bit here made me laugh

Indeed, and I have stated previously that all the haughty RP crap and "honor and lore" based vendettas of sorts really are ruining cohesion within IS and Clan fronts.

MS, CI and other merc units are indeed willing to work with the units that they choose to side with or who wish to have them sided with them. I am not sure where the bad blood comes from if not the people who's RP/Lore fantasies have been crushed by the way merc units currently function in game or the threat that they can pose to factions i guess? Fear or jealousy seems to be a great fulcrum when it comes to human action it seems.

I know I am wording things in a way that is indeed poking fun at the lore junkies and RPers but really if these individuals would realize that not all things from the books and whatnot that they idolize will translate into this games play and just act like one human talking to another things would be totally fine. I find the lore of this game to be interesting but I can step back and see that mercs are going to function differently than they did in lore as a result of how the game is set up.

Also if PGI doesn't change things its something that people are going to have to deal with.

Something of note is that "these Merc" units have learned to work together without stupid squabbling, something that IS and Clan forces could take note from.

[hybrid black]

Roadbeer, on 09 February 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Just trying to get the truth.

If, as Hybrid says and using his words "Hbizzle doesn't speak for MS, just one unit of it" then what's open to interpretation? If that's not the case then it would do MS well to muzzle their dog.

But while we're picking on single comments, lets talk about the whole "MS was kicked from the meeting without being given a reason" and how your members have glommed on to that completely false statement and carried it as a torch.

As long as we're using the High School Girl analogy, y'all acting like Anna told Mary that Becky uninvited Suzie from her birthday party because she got Mono from kissing Becky's boyfriend Brad. When in reality Becky asked Suzie not to come to the party because she had Chicken Pox.

As I have said REPEATEDLY, Marik has enjoyed a long relationship with Antonious Rex, and value him as an honest agent when dealing with SwK and MS. Also, we have worked with HBizzle in the past as well, and he has said some very great things about Marik on reddit and we value our relationship with him as well.

During MS's stay with Marik they have, as has been pointed out, honored our agreements that were in place when they signed on. Nobody is saying that they haven't.

All I am saying is that on one hand you have a member of MS who is saying "Talk to these people", and you have another member who is saying "Regardless of what's been said, MS does what it wants, and these people don't represent MS as a whole". AFAIK, neither of you speak for MS, so I'm just trying to get to the truth. Because whichever of you two is wrong, then they need to STFU.

They don't as i said to you, they bring a proposal and it gets voted on, some times people are sent to talk to someone and given full authority, but many times talking to someone fits in when they have time to, a proposal is then taking to the 9 leaders and voted on, what they worked on might happen it might not. how do you not understand this.

[Greenjulius]

I'm personally tired of fighting other IS players. I'd really like to turn my attention towards the clans to stop their massive progress. I've been fighting for Steiner in 3/4 of my CW drops lately because no one seems to have the courage to fight actual enemies. The moment defenders start showing up, an attacking wave disappears and goes elsewhere.

Lots of Kurita players seem to have given up defending against Smoke Jaguar and are fighting Davion turrets. It's no wonder their home world is completely surrounded.

If there was a halt to Kurita units attacking Davion territory, I'd be happy to help them defend against this seemingly unstoppable threat.

Edited by Greenjulius, 09 February 2015 - 12:14 PM.

[poopenshire]

I won't pull any punches here. I am AVERAGE... I am not some monster ELO players here.

I am here to play for the good times and good friends. What matters most to me is that we start doing something as a group.

All the posts I see in the thread echo 1 thing, that is equal representation. Now where did I hear that from in the past huh?

I know Saturday nights event meant well, and it was stressful for Ilithi, as well as everyone else. I really really hope we can move past day 1 issues. Lets see what happens in the next meeting but with the sense of open minds. I offer up any help I can bring to the table that that includes helping Ilithi and Roadbeer with what ever is needed. I have experience in matter similar to this. I have kept quiet so including during the meeting to get a good judge of what the mind set of the playerbase was. I now have a good idea what is needed.

Please, everyone stop grandstanding and chest beating. There is plenty of time to do that after we start driving back these Clans. Then we can start the whole process over when people rotate around again.

[CyclonerM]

Necromantion, on 09 February 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

Cycloner, your deep-throating of anyone and everything that attempts to defame MS and lurking on threads regarding our actions is getting old. It is clear your tail got tweaked when we pushed your stupid faction back beyond its starting planets and ONLY stopped when CGB stated they wanted you to have an IS attack lane.

I think it is called "adding something relevant to the discussion", in particular, comments from my own experience with MS

I have been more annoyed by the fact that we have been backstabbed by a rogue force hiding under the banner of a friendly Clan that they could not hold at bay. If you were fighting for the IS, i would have felt differently. A more than worthy enemy, probably.

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We used to be FRR on our IS swaps however the faction was hopeless, whatever advances we made were lost in half the time it took us to obtain them so why bother doing that since we swap back and forth between factions? So we can recapture the same handful of planets for a faction for them to be lost the next time we play for them? If we wanted an easy fight we would be up back in CGB hammering the crap out of CW with the only decent defence on NA hours being SWOL.

So.. Something sounds wrong here. Let me get it right..

You do not care about planets.. But when you fight for the FRR, no matter if you (probably) got often quick drops and lot of PVP, you switch faction because you are tired of losing planets. Why? They are just colored dots after all, as some used to say..

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Once again we have honored Mariks ceasefire with Liao, and were and are more than willing to work with the Star League but have been told that somehow we dont fit into the "merc" description they outlined for some reason.

We work with CI and Aces, the decision of the Marik and Kurita split was something ALL parties discussed and decided on as have all previous moves.

So you werent at the conference, and are listening to heresy because it suits your internet ego's pursuit of vengence against MS because we spanked you repeatedly for weeks, gotcha. If you go back to the beginning of the thread exactly what happened was explained by members that were there and if you wish to come on MS ts and talk to tony Im sure he would be fine with clarifying what happened as we have nothing to lose or gain by being dishonest.

If i cannot know for sure he is not lying, in the same way i cannot know if you are lying then Again, i see you might have missed the reason of my negative comments.. Read above.

About the "merc outline"? Read below.

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CGB attacking wolf as youre referring to happened because a certain idiot initiated conflict with CGB after lying about asking permission to recap a previously CW planet after a ceasefire had been agreed to, and he KEPT dropping on it after being stomped. Need i bring up the screenshots from that thread with the self admission of your dear butt-buddy Gyrok himself?

Well.. We gifted you three planets because they were close to the CGB invasion corridor, thinking that we did not need them. Why would you have needed a little planet right in the middle of our space? I cannot know if Gyrok really asked for permission or whatever, but considering your "fight wherever you want, who cares" philosophy, it feels strange that you are berating CWDG for taking a single planet in the middle of our territory.. Maybe you wanted to use it for more attacks against us?

Now that you are here, next time we can attack it you could also give us Ferris back..

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Funny thing is "The clans" minus CW are pushing south, it seems wolf got themselves into a sticky spot. I wouldn't hesitate to say that youre going to have to politely ask CSJ or CJF to potentially allow you access to IS attack lanes as CGB has been kind enough to attempt to let you have though that seems to not be working out too well huh.

Really?
Did you miss the whole "the algorithm did not give us a Steiner planet even if we had a border with them for a week" thing? We could have got further if we did not have to stop for what i think has been a week or more. That is something like 21 ceasefires.. 21 IS planets we could have taken.

And how is it our fault if the algorithm does not give us a better CGB planet?

Please try again..

Necromantion, on 09 February 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Regarding the removal of one or all MS individuals from the meeting: I was not there however there was talk about that happening on TS right after it happened but I was not paying much attention. Though why one or all would be removed/kicked is beyond me as Tony and Hbizzle are not hot headed individuals by any means, nor are they unreasonable. The third person who was with them I cannot recall. Also once again that would bring up the question as to why one or all were removed from a meeting when they are part of the 7th house indicated on this Star League document, no?

Roadbeer or Dragon can explain it better, but looking at one of Dragon's posts, i believe i have your answer.

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Merc Star has openly declared their refusal to abide by any agreements, cease fires, and alliances reached by the Star League, and they are currently actively engaged in internecine operations against Davion despite the new cease fire agreements. Merc Star has made its Ghost Bear affiliation and False Flag intentions abundantly clear, and as such, Merc Star does NOT have a vote nor representation in the Star League.

If Merc Star wants to become a part of the new Star League, if ANY unit wants to become a part of the new Star League, they need to abide by the agreements of the Star League, and commit to fighting the Clans, all Clans, while in the IS. Merc units switching to the Clan side for a week or two to play their Clan mechs is one thing. A merc unit that is dedicated to a Clan faction and playing IS for a short time only to put tags on planets and engage in false flag operations is something else entirely.

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Even if your reputation may have had a part in this, they clarified their statement about merc units contracted to IS factions. MS is clearly a Clan-centric unit, you have fought for CGB for a lot of time now, and Hybrid said that you are going back to the Clans soon. They question your "loyalty" to the Inner Sphere.. Conflict of interests, you know

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Necromantion, on 09 February 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

Indeed, and I have stated previously that all the haughty RP crap and "honor and lore" based vendettas of sorts really are ruining cohesion within IS and Clan fronts.

MS, CI and other merc units are indeed willing to work with the units that they choose to side with or who wish to have them sided with them. I am not sure where the bad blood comes from if not the people who's RP/Lore fantasies have been crushed by the way merc units currently function in game or the threat that they can pose to factions i guess? Fear or jealousy seems to be a great fulcrum when it comes to human action it seems.

From what i remember of the first days of CW, everything was fine until CI and MS started causing trouble. We did not really start anything..

Edited by CyclonerM, 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM.

[Necromantion]

poopenshire, on 09 February 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

I won't pull any punches here. I am AVERAGE... I am not some monster ELO players here.

I am here to play for the good times and good friends. What matters most to me is that we start doing something as a group.

All the posts I see in the thread echo 1 thing, that is equal representation. Now where did I hear that from in the past huh?

I know Saturday nights event meant well, and it was stressful for Ilithi, as well as everyone else. I really really hope we can move past day 1 issues. Lets see what happens in the next meeting but with the sense of open minds. I offer up any help I can bring to the table that that includes helping Ilithi and Roadbeer with what ever is needed. I have experience in matter similar to this. I have kept quiet so including during the meeting to get a good judge of what the mind set of the playerbase was. I now have a good idea what is needed.

Please, everyone stop grandstanding and chest beating. There is plenty of time to do that after we start driving back these Clans. Then we can start the whole process over when people rotate around again.

This is basically it. MS and other merc cores dont want control over everything, we also dont control how the game allows us to function or not function.

That being said after seeing the motions mentioned in this SL document which indeed would make MS and other merc units part of the "7th" house then having some finger waved at us saying "no no no youre not part of that" is a bit hypocritical upon the part of the people spearheading this.

Ultimately while I cannot speak for MS, CI, ACES or the like I can very much gather from the things I have heard on the forums and TS that the other players in these units wish to partake in the SL too

Edited by Necromantion, 09 February 2015 - 12:25 PM.

[poopenshire]

I think I am still on good terms with Shimmering of ACES.

MS and CI, I only know through friends, but I have enough people in different house that will vouch I will deal honestly with everyone.

I know you cannot speak for them all but your voice is just as important. I feel we can talk and discuss this out with others.

I am taking notes here so that during the next discussion we can accommodate your points and thoughts.

[MischiefSC]

There is a lot of confusion about just what the issue with merc units is and PGIs approach to mercs and loyalists in CW. The only thing that separates CW from being another game mode in group queue with no Elo is factions and the over arching sociopolitical environment that creates. For a lot of people (as faction loyalist populations show) that is the appeal.

Currently however you are punished for being a faction loyalists with fewer rewards and significant limitations. On top of this there are plenty of merc units eager to try and ensure there is nothing more complex and rich to CW than you can get in a game of Farmville.

Inexplicably PGI seems to be designing CW to discourage players from being invested in a faction or even the outcome of anything in it. Frustration at PGI over their decision to make CW work like a group queue game mode with an irrelevant background map spills over into frustration at the merc units who seem to want that as well, making CW irrelevant and unattractive to everyone else.

It's not about "jealousy". I hear that a lot from people trying to explain away justified social censure. MS has some good teams (and some not so good teams) but they're no 228. Playing on the Davion border right now is like pugging in the group queue and we do it a dozen matches a day. Joining MS isn't hard, not that people don't know how to look you up. Just that the " MS experience" for CW isn't the same as what everyone else wants. Don't mistake a lack of interest with jealousy.

[DaFrog]

The only place I trust Marik people, is at the wrong end of my PPC. Tired of your Zergs and Thunderbolts. Go play Galaga or something.

[CyclonerM]

MischiefSC, on 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

Don't mistake a lack of interest with jealousy.

Exactly. The "MS way" is not my way, as our way is not their way.

[MischiefSC]

One issue that is going to come up though is merc units who join nSL but are also invested in playing Clans. Not sure how that will play out.

[Roadbeer]

Necromantion, on 09 February 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

That being said after seeing the motions mentioned in this SL document which indeed would make MS and other merc units part of the "7th" house then having some finger waved at us saying "no no no youre not part of that" is a bit hypocritical upon the part of the people spearheading this.

OMG, would you get over that.
Everyone involved already said they regret that happened and apologized for it.

We're sorry we said those pants made your ass look big, can we just go to dinner now?

[hybrid black]

DaFrog, on 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

The only place I trust Marik people, is at the wrong end of my PPC. Tired of your Zergs and Thunderbolts. Go play Galaga or something.

I wouldn't trust them have you seen all the lies about the peace talks to cover units leaving them, hahaha.

[Valar13]

hybrid black, on 09 February 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

I wouldn't trust them have you seen all the lies about the peace talks to cover units leaving them, hahaha.

You would know how much of an ass you look like if your guys had chosen to stay at the meeting and heard us vote to send merc units to FRR/Kurita.