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[Roadbeer]

hybrid black, on 09 February 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

I wouldn't trust them have you seen all the lies about the peace talks to cover units leaving them, hahaha.

Careful Cupcake,

Keep running your mouth and I'm going to be forced to let some cats out of the bag.

Just sayin.

[Necromantion]

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

I think it is called "adding something relevant to the discussion", in particular, comments from my own experience with MS

I have been more annoyed by the fact that we have been backstabbed by a rogue force hiding under the banner of a friendly Clan that they could not hold at bay. If you were fighting for the IS, i would have felt differently. A more than worthy enemy, probably.

Jesus dude, do you not get the fact that CWDG repeatedly attacked a planet after being told no and then after a few days of heated fighting they along with other CW units told CGB that they were more interested in sorting out things on the battlefield. The mercs did not start the issue. Even leadership of other Wolf units denounced Gyroks actions and called him out on the forums. Of course Gyrok conveniently deleted that post after he threw fuel on his own funeral pyre.

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

So.. Something sounds wrong here. Let me get it right..

You do not care about planets.. But when you fight for the FRR, no matter if you (probably) got often quick drops and lot of PVP, you switch faction because you are tired of losing planets. Why? They are just colored dots after all, as some used to say..

I never said we do not care about planets however the debate that you are referring to is the notion that specific units apparently want their name on more planets than others which is not our aim in the game. Is the point of community warfare not conquest through controlling more space? What is Clan Wolf's reason for attacking and taking planets? To draw a pretty picture on the faction screen?

So your attempt to say that I was contradicting what others have said about MS's goals is unsuccessful, and indeed why would we go to a faction that would lose the ground we help them gain every week when once again the aim of factions in community warfare is to hold as much ground as possible and progress to where they want to get to.

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

If i cannot know for sure he is not lying, in the same way i cannot know if you are lying then Again, i see you might have missed the reason of my negative comments.. Read above.

About the "merc outline"? Read below.

Well.. We gifted you three planets because they were close to the CGB invasion corridor, thinking that we did not need them. Why would you have needed a little planet right in the middle of our space? I cannot know if Gyrok really asked for permission or whatever, but considering your "fight wherever you want, who cares" philosophy, it feels strange that you are berating CWDG for taking a single planet in the middle of our territory.. Maybe you wanted to use it for more attacks against us?

Once again, I will talk to oni and see if he still has the screenshots of Gyroks self defaming post where he admitted ON THE FORUMS to attacking CGB before asking permission to retake a previously CW planet that changed hands before the ceasefire. Regarding the meeting on TS that I referred to where multiple wolf units said they would rather settle things on the battlefield a few days after the New Caledonia incident I cannot unfortunately provide you with any sound clips. New Caledonia was not in the middle of CW territory as an island of any sorts.

My who cares philosophy? Are you illiterate or do you have that loose of a grip on logic? I follow MS leadership, MS leadership follows CGB units open countering of CW actions. How is that a who cares philosophy, please care to enlighten me?

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

Even if your reputation may have had a part in this, they clarified their statement about merc units contracted to IS factions. MS is clearly a Clan-centric unit, you have fought for CGB for a lot of time now, and Hybrid said that you are going back to the Clans soon. They question your "loyalty" to the Inner Sphere.. Conflict of interests, you know

How are we a clan centric unit when we have by the end of this week had equal temporal representation between IS and Clans? It is no secret we switch back and forth, we are no more "Clan centric" than we are "IS centric"




And lastly yes indeed you have been screwed over by the algorithm however it seems that Jade falcon has a dislike for you and wont allow you an IS attack lane through the south west now will they so CW units still keep dropping on CGB planets using the "you did it first" justification when really this whole blow up goes back to one single clan and one single individuals actions starting an avalanche.

[hybrid black]

Valar13, on 09 February 2015 - 12:48 PM, said:

You would know how much of an ass you look like if your guys had chosen to stay at the meeting and heard us vote to send merc units to FRR/Kurita.

now this is a lie, Marik units left before your meeting(not a bad cover) but still what good timing on your part to cover your self.

So many lies, so sad... just sad i think you are starting to believe what your say.

Edited by hybrid black, 09 February 2015 - 12:55 PM.

[Necromantion]

MischiefSC, on 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

There is a lot of confusion about just what the issue with merc units is and PGIs approach to mercs and loyalists in CW. The only thing that separates CW from being another game mode in group queue with no Elo is factions and the over arching sociopolitical environment that creates. For a lot of people (as faction loyalist populations show) that is the appeal.

Currently however you are punished for being a faction loyalists with fewer rewards and significant limitations. On top of this there are plenty of merc units eager to try and ensure there is nothing more complex and rich to CW than you can get in a game of Farmville.

Inexplicably PGI seems to be designing CW to discourage players from being invested in a faction or even the outcome of anything in it. Frustration at PGI over their decision to make CW work like a group queue game mode with an irrelevant background map spills over into frustration at the merc units who seem to want that as well, making CW irrelevant and unattractive to everyone else.

It's not about "jealousy". I hear that a lot from people trying to explain away justified social censure. MS has some good teams (and some not so good teams) but they're no 228. Playing on the Davion border right now is like pugging in the group queue and we do it a dozen matches a day. Joining MS isn't hard, not that people don't know how to look you up. Just that the " MS experience" for CW isn't the same as what everyone else wants. Don't mistake a lack of interest with jealousy.

Indeed there is and in this ambiguity merc units are functioning as they see fit in a "merc" like way as the game allows.

Frankly complexity and challenges are things that at least players in MS I have noted seem to relish rather than run from.

Is there not benefits to being a loyalist as well as hopping contract to contract with high rewards? Seems they intended that to happen with that model.

You know how things go on the internet, anyone whos bigger or successful gets nailed on the forums and the like. Before I even joined MS people were railing on them because they had more planets than anyone else... who cares? Also I am not talking in regards to anyone joining MS by a long shot. I have not alluded to that in ANY of my posts. Also if you think were no 228 thats fine, but our win loss ratio vs 228 is nowhere near below 500 and we don't stack teams ever in CW matches as a jfyi.

Roadbeer, on 09 February 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

OMG, would you get over that.
Everyone involved already said they regret that happened and apologized for it.

We're sorry we said those pants made your ass look big, can we just go to dinner now?

Your house or mine, red or white?

Valar13, on 09 February 2015 - 12:48 PM, said:

You would know how much of an ass you look like if your guys had chosen to stay at the meeting and heard us vote to send merc units to FRR/Kurita.

Care to clarify what exactly happened then? As i seem to be hearing a lot of mixed accounts.

[Valar13]

And you still seem to labor under the delusion that BWC and Seraphim don't consider themselves a fixture in the Marik community who went with Marik's blessing to aid an ally.

You're beyond absurd, kid.

[Faith McCarron]

I'm curious, is there audio of the conference anywhere?

[Roadbeer]

Marik pilots. Dial it back about 25% please.

[Joe Decker]

Faith McCarron, on 09 February 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

I'm curious, is there audio of the conference anywhere?

That would be interesting, agreed. Maybe for the Future if it wasn't made this Time

[Roadbeer]

Faith McCarron, on 09 February 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

I'm curious, is there audio of the conference anywhere?

There should be, every time you entered the channel there were 18 "This channel is being recorded" messages from the server.

[hybrid black]

Roadbeer, on 09 February 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

Marik pilots. Dial it back about 25% please.

MercStar supporters can back off to were going a little to far with all this, no need to bring mods in to this

[GargoyleKDR]

Faith McCarron, on 09 February 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

I'm curious, is there audio of the conference anywhere?

Multiple people recorded the conference. My recording is available on the AFFS web site in the original .WAV format (which makes it 1.59 GB in size).

- Garg.

[Valar13]

Roadbeer, on 09 February 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

Marik pilots. Dial it back about 25% please.

Copy. Set phasers to stun.

[CyclonerM]

Necromantion, on 09 February 2015 - 12:50 PM, said:

Jesus dude, do you not get the fact that CWDG repeatedly attacked a planet after being told no and then after a few days of heated fighting they along with other CW units told CGB that they were more interested in sorting out things on the battlefield. The mercs did not start the issue. Even leadership of other Wolf units denounced Gyroks actions and called him out on the forums. Of course Gyrok conveniently deleted that post after he threw fuel on his own funeral pyre.

From what i recall, the attacks by CI and MS started quite earlier than that.

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I never said we do not care about planets however the debate that you are referring to is the notion that specific units apparently want their name on more planets than others which is not our aim in the game. Is the point of community warfare not conquest through controlling more space? What is Clan Wolf's reason for attacking and taking planets? To draw a pretty picture on the faction screen?

So your attempt to say that I was contradicting what others have said about MS's goals is unsuccessful, and indeed why would we go to a faction that would lose the ground we help them gain every week when once again the aim of factions in community warfare is to hold as much ground as possible and progress to where they want to get to.

For me, taking planets is very important, but that is another matter. We are talking about MS. I am pretty sure that it was repeated more than one time that MS does not care about planets and only wants good fights. Maybe it does not fit with all the units' goals, but that is what has been said.


This is the first quote i found from Hybrid, i have no time to find any other ..

hybrid black, on 01 February 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Oh my friend you are so misinformed and on your high horse it’s not even funny

1) MercStar took 18 planets in 1 week being Steiner fighting flacon back and wolf, they were all lost after we left but that’s fine planets don’t mean anything

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. New Caledonia was not in the middle of CW territory as an island of any sorts.

Spoiler

That looks like an island to me
I also asked a Clan mate, and he agreed that it looks like an island..

Maybe living on a peninsula for all my life has changed my perspective..?

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My who cares philosophy? Are you illiterate or do you have that loose of a grip on logic? I follow MS leadership, MS leadership follows CGB units open countering of CW actions. How is that a who cares philosophy, please care to enlighten me?

Read above Hybryd's quote.. Maybe it is not the official stance of MS, but i am pretty sure that was not the only time he said that.. Actually, it was often said by members of MS that they only care about good fights, not taking planets. And he was the one, if i am not mistaken, advocating that players should take adavantage of all their available attack lanes. This is why i say that berating us for doing just what you like to do and say we should all do (even if we just do it to open one attack corridor in the IS, and not out of boredom) feels strange.. If i misunderstood MS's general "philosophy" , or that was just his philosophy, then correct me, by all means.

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How are we a clan centric unit when we have by the end of this week had equal temporal representation between IS and Clans? It is no secret we switch back and forth, we are no more "Clan centric" than we are "IS centric"

Maybe, overall. But some here are not convinced, at leat looking at your recent history, because that was one of the arguments against your inclusion in the Star League, according to its representatives... And anyway, i think they might require that a merc unit's primary loyalty should be the IS, not 50/50. You can ask them for another clarification if you want.. But if i am not wrong Hybrid announced you will switch back to the Clans, so maybe you should try again in a couple of weeks i see

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And lastly yes indeed you have been screwed over by the algorithm however it seems that Jade falcon has a dislike for you and wont allow you an IS attack lane through the south west

No Clan would be expected, at this point, to just gift planets to another one. So far, we have been good neighbours to each other actually. We have even done some drops in defense of their planets against House Steiner..

[hybrid black]

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

haha you are so sad good job only showing the part of what i said that fits what you want.

[Ax2Grind]

Ilithi Dragon, on 07 February 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

bobF, hybrid, we just had 70+ representatives from dozens of units from all six IS factions hammer out a military alliance and cease fire agreement in a 2-hour conference, and before the conference was even over, MS was already declaring that they would refuse to abide by any cease-fire agreements and alliances decided upon by that conference.

No, we can't tell you what or how to play the game, it is a game, and you're free to play it however you like (that was one of the major points of discussion at the conference). HOWEVER, if you are going to openly and blatantly refuse to go along with our group, and refuse to abide by any agreements made within our group, we sure as hell aren't going to give you any kind of voice or vote in said group. If you are going to defy our policy and thumb your nose at us from the outset, you sure as hell don't get to help set those policies, etc.

When did you speak to a leader of MS, and where did they declare anything of the sort? Just to clarify...for the sake of this leader.

Hybrid and Bob, please let these folks RP in peace. Trolling them is just giving our group a bad name, even if they started trolling us in this thread first. Apparently name calling is ok if you pretend to be a Faction Leader. Since neither of you are a faction leader please desist immediately. Thank you.

And for the record, this MS guy thinks it is great that your putting together a plan to fight the Clans. The more unit interaction the better. Good luck with your plans.

Edited by Ax2Grind, 09 February 2015 - 02:37 PM.

[Necromantion]

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

From what i recall, the attacks by CI and MS started quite earlier than that.

The attacks by CWDG on a CGB planet happened literally 2-3 days after Mercs swapped to CGB. You recall incorrecty, MS and CI were focused on crushing the FRR until the antics of a Clan Wolf leader and CGB giving the mercs the ok to support them against the actions of Clan wolf. How many times do i have to repeat this to get this into your head?

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

For me, taking planets is very important, but that is another matter. We are talking about MS. I am pretty sure that it was repeated more than one time that MS does not care about planets and only wants good fights. Maybe it does not fit with all the units' goals, but that is what has been said.

That is very true that we do care about having good fights, if we cared about taking and keeping planets we would have gone back steiner to attempt to preserve what we had there from previous endeavors. That being said if a large unit like MS or the like was to throw its weight in with one faction do you think that faction is really going to lose or gain planets? And once again isnt the aim of clan warfare to have your factions empire expand, not stagnate or shrink?

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Spoiler

That looks like an island to me
I also asked a Clan mate, and he agreed that it looks like an island..

Maybe living on a peninsula for all my life has changed my perspective..?

Interesting must have been one of those fun algorithm hiccups regardless that still doesnt change the fact that it was a CGB controlled planet that was taken from LC annnnnnd during the ceasefire between CGB and CW an individual from CW decided to attack it when not provoked by mercs or otherwise.

Once again, Mercs did not start the bloody CGB/CW infighting between clans, we were with CGB when it started and supported them. Thats it, thats all.

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Maybe, overall. But some here are not convinced, at leat looking at your recent history, because that was one of the arguments against your inclusion in the Star League, according to its representatives... And anyway, i think they might require that a merc unit's primary loyalty should be the IS, not 50/50. You can ask them for another clarification if you want.. But if i am not wrong Hybrid announced you will switch back to the Clans, so maybe you should try again in a couple of weeks i see

Once again we have abided by the agreements of any faction that we have joined INCLUDING CGB which you and your fellow deranged puppy dogs keep insisting that we somehow antagonized the CGB/CW ceasefire. Stop using us as your scapegoat for the actions and then reactions of Clan wolf players and units. Accept it and move on.

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

No Clan would be expected, at this point, to just gift planets to another one. So far, we have been good neighbours to each other actually. We have even done some drops in defense of their planets against House Steiner..

If you were such good neighbors perhaps they would let you use the sidewalk to walk past their house, no? Considering many groups of JFC have mentioned their distaste for Clan Wolf but have abstained to stay out of meddling with other clans does not mean you're best pals. No?

[BlackDrakon]

I'm with Ax2 in this, let them do their work, their plans and whatever, we are here just for a week (2 max, depends on the salmon); stop trolling, and move on.

If they want MS to join the Star League, so be it, if they don't want us to join, is cool. We will keep playing wherever the leadership tell us to go, non of you guys represent us as more as Tony and Bizzle does.

[dervishx5]

MS? More like MS!

[hybrid black]

BlackDrakon, on 09 February 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

I'm with Ax2 in this, let them do their work, their plans and whatever, we are here just for a week (2 max, depends on the salmon); stop trolling, and move on.

If they want MS to join the Star League, so be it, if they don't want us to join, is cool. We will keep playing wherever the leadership tell us to go, non of you guys represent us as more as Tony and Bizzle does.

I disagree bizzle only speaks for CK, no one else in MercStar

[HBizzle]

hybrid black, on 09 February 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

I disagree bizzle only speaks for CK, no one else in MercStar

Hybrid gonna hybrid.