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[Valar13]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 12:21 PM, said:

Wow wow wow calm down there, Are you getting a little irritated?

Nope, just tired of watching people explain things to you repeatedly while you argue semantics and carry on like you've been mortally wounded by being excluded by your people's own choice - and not even irrevocably excluded! Play by the rules we agreed to and you'd still be welcome. This has been said over and over and over but you can't stop whinging about your bruised ego long enough to accept that fact.

Edited by Valar13, 08 February 2015 - 12:25 PM.

[Xavier]

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

So your actual beef isn't really that you were excluded by your own choice, but that you weren't placed in control of the whole thing? Wow.

Does MS have "overweening self-importance" as a requirement for entry?

It has nothing to do with inclusion, and I never once in my post said that we were looking to be put in control. This is how misunderstandings start!

I merely offered that if you were truly committed to making this thing you are seeking work that you would have been picking Rex's brain regardless of what people said or what MS does. As has been said by apparently everyone that is not a member of MS we apparently are going to whatever we want whenever we want. We are happy being what we are and whatever you may think about us we are currently the only merged alliance in the game where everyone gave up their individual identity for a global goal!

Hmmmm sounds like star league ideals to me!

[Roadbeer]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

we are currently the only merged alliance in the game where everyone gave up their individual identity for a global goal!

Closed BETA called, it would like to talk to you about house-marik.com's formation.

[Dauphni]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

In my opinion the "reputation" you speak of is one that this star league should be knocking down our door to copy. Antonius Rex's leadership model for MS is the only way this "star league of your has a chance of working. Red brought 7 different competitive units together(units that probably have more history and reasons to dislike each other than any of the units you are dealing with) Tonys leadership is not something that should be shunned or feared regardless of whether or not we agree to any decisions you make, but rather if you guys really wanted to unify these groups the way you say you do you should be busting down Rex's door to figure out how to do so. Tony has unified groups that would have otherwise wanted nothing to do with each other. MS is not the "enemy" we are the model for what you are trying to implement. You should be trying to model your "star league" after us.

History lesson time: the FWLM community is absolutely ancient by gaming standards, and pre-dates MWO by a wide margin, going back as far as the earliest multiplayer Battletech titles. You speak of units divided by a "long history" coming together. Try two decades. That is why we are now able to lead the way in uniting the Inner Sphere. As a community, the FWLM has learned from its mistakes and settled on its current model, because it minimises internal strife and politicking, instead allowing us to focus on playing the game. A model that Tony learned when he was contracted as a mercenary unit in the first Marik Civil War event. A model that is also reflected in this new Star League. But inner workings don't drive reputations. If they would you'd already know all about all this. No, it is your actions towards external parties that drive your reputation. THAT is what people will know you for.

[hybrid black]

here is why this will not work out,

1) there is no true commitment by any of the units, till something is given up to prove you are in this there is no commitment( this is noting better then a hand shake and a nod)

2) When planets mean something the smaller units in this will not help take planets for the larger ( basically work for them with no reward)

3) Power struggles will destroy this (look to point one and two)

4) when the smaller units start fighting the big 12 mans that they have avoided this hole time, how long will they stay to keep losing all there games?

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

Nope, just tired of watching people explain things to you repeatedly while you argue semantics and carry on like you've been mortally wounded by being excluded by your people's own choice - and not even irrevocably excluded! Play by the rules we agreed to and you'd still be welcome. This has been said over and over and over but you can't stop whinging about your bruised ego long enough to accept that fact.

haha bruised ego? i would have to care about you in the first place, to care about what you think.

[MischiefSC]

I applaud any big group of players. Takes a lot of work to juggle that many egos.

However ms has a bad reputation because after all that work to unify most of what everyone else sees is entitlement minded jackasses. This idea that nobody should be loyalists and everyone needs to be big merc units or they are doing it wrong.

The ironic bit is that that approach makes CW irrelevant. May as well just have invasion game mode in group queue.

[Valar13]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

here is why this will not work out,

1) there is no true commitment by any of the units, till something is given up to prove you are in this there is no commitment( this is noting better then a hand shake and a nod)

2) When planets mean something the smaller units in this will not help take planets for the larger ( basically work for them with no reward)

3) Power struggles will destroy this (look to point one and two)

4) when the smaller units start fighting the big 12 mans that they have avoided this hole time, how long will they stay to keep losing all there games?




haha bruised ego? i would have to care about you in the first place, to care about what you think.

Could you hurry up and take your ball and go home?

MischiefSC, on 08 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I applaud any big group of players. Takes a lot of work to juggle that many egos.

However ms has a bad reputation because after all that work to unify most of what everyone else sees is entitlement minded jackasses. This idea that nobody should be loyalists and everyone needs to be big merc units or they are doing it wrong.

The ironic bit is that that approach makes CW irrelevant. May as well just have invasion game mode in group queue.

Exactly. I would counter MS's argument that making the game merc-centric keeps it fresh, by arguing that the game being based around which flavor is tastiest to the mercs this week makes it pointless.

[Xavier]

Uite Dauphni, on 08 February 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

History lesson time: the FWLM community is absolutely ancient by gaming standards, and pre-dates MWO by a wide margin, going back as far as the earliest multiplayer Battletech titles. You speak of units divided by a "long history" coming together. Try two decades. That is why we are now able to lead the way in uniting the Inner Sphere. As a community, the FWLM has learned from its mistakes and settled on its current model, because it minimises internal strife and politicking, instead allowing us to focus on playing the game. A model that Tony learned when he was contracted as a mercenary unit in the first Marik Civil War event. A model that is also reflected in this new Star League. But inner workings don't drive reputations. If they would you'd already know all about all this. No, it is your actions towards external parties that drive your reputation. THAT is what people will know you for.

I said came together with no conflict...I do believe there is a league out there called marik civil war. You may have united but to date marik has also celebrated their internal strifes....because that really sounds like and "alliance". I would not want to participate in an alliance where my allies are as likely to shoot me as my enemies.

And what is this alliance you speak of I see al sorts of marik units running around with different tags celebrating their individuality. 7 units came together and gave up their individual tags and united under 1 in game banner.

What is your one in game banner that all mariks unite under????

[hybrid black]

MischiefSC, on 08 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I applaud any big group of players. Takes a lot of work to juggle that many egos.

However ms has a bad reputation because after all that work to unify most of what everyone else sees is entitlement minded jackasses. This idea that nobody should be loyalists and everyone needs to be big merc units or they are doing it wrong.

The ironic bit is that that approach makes CW irrelevant. May as well just have invasion game mode in group queue.

You are so out of the loop is kind of sad and i fell bad for you hahahahahahahaha.

Edited by hybrid black, 08 February 2015 - 12:41 PM.

[Dauphni]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

I said came together with no conflict...I do believe there is a league out there called marik civil war. You may have united but to date marik has also celebrated their internal strifes....because that really sounds like and "alliance". I would not want to participate in an alliance where my allies are as likely to shoot me as my enemies.

I think you're confusing the lore with the reality as it exists in MWO today.

[Davers]

MischiefSC, on 08 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I applaud any big group of players. Takes a lot of work to juggle that many egos.

However ms has a bad reputation because after all that work to unify most of what everyone else sees is entitlement minded jackasses. This idea that nobody should be loyalists and everyone needs to be big merc units or they are doing it wrong.

The ironic bit is that that approach makes CW irrelevant. May as well just have invasion game mode in group queue.

What is truly funny is that despite their rhetoric, they are just a CGB unit that is grinding out LP awards from the other factions. Which is totally fine. In fact, it is this aspect of their organization that I believe others should be interested in copying. Until PGI actually creates the 'Loyalist Life' aspect of CW they spoke about, it really is in everyone's best interest to go out and get all those mechbays and MC.

[Valar13]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

I said came together with no conflict...I do believe there is a league out there called marik civil war. You may have united but to date marik has also celebrated their internal strifes....because that really sounds like and "alliance". I would not want to participate in an alliance where my allies are as likely to shoot me as my enemies.

And what is this alliance you speak of I see al sorts of marik units running around with different tags celebrating their individuality. 7 units came together and gave up their individual tags and united under 1 in game banner.

What is your one in game banner that all mariks unite under????

This guy doesn't understand that the Civil War was a "for funsies" league within the FWL, something I knew in broad generalities before joining Marik, and in the next post his buddy calls someone else "out of the loop."

Can't make this up, folks.

Edited by Valar13, 08 February 2015 - 12:57 PM.

[Davers]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

What is your one in game banner that all mariks unite under????

We prefer to keep tactical flexibility. Such as being able to send units to help Kurita, while keeping a home guard. A single unit is only good for ensuring our name gets on a planet. Maybe when that has a benefit we will change our organization.

[Xavier]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

Show me what the common in game banner that all marik units unite under.

SLR
SWK
GEMC
DOM
TFF
CK
SIG

All of the above units gave up their individual tags and united under 1 banner, the MS banner. That's an alliance everybody gave up something to unify.

Show me the banner that marik unites under. Otherwise what you have is not an alliance...what you have is a CO-OP that will fall apart the second that units disagree because no one has equally invested "skin in the game"




When did I ever call anyone "out of the loop". I believe you are confusing poster's

Show me what the common in game banner that all marik units unite under.

SLR
SWK
GEMC
DOM
TFF
CK
SIG

All of the above units have up their individual tags and united under 1 banner, the MS banner. That's an alliance everybody gave up something to unify.

Show me the banner that marik unites under. Otherwise what you have is not an alliance...what you have is a CO-OP that will fall apart the second that units disagree because no one has equally invested "skin in the game"

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

This guy doesn't understand that the Civil War was a "for funsies" league within the FWL, something I knew in broad generalities before joining Marik, and in his next post calls someone else "out of the loop."

Can't make this up, folks.

When did I ever call anyone "out of the loop". I believe you are confusing poster's

Edited by Xavier, 08 February 2015 - 12:53 PM.

[Valar13]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:50 PM, said:

Show me what the common in game banner that all marik units unite under.

SLR
SWK
GEMC
DOM
TFF
CK
SIG

All of the above units have up their individual tags and united under 1 banner, the MS banner. That's an alliance everybody gave up something to unify.

Show me the banner that marik unites under. Otherwise what you have is not an alliance...what you have is a CO-OP that will fall apart the second that units disagree because no one has equally invested "skin in the game"

Right, because everyone knows when the US, UK, France and others united in World War II, those countries ceased to exist as individual entities. You're absolutely right.

[Valar13]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

Show me what the common in game banner that all marik units unite under.

SLR
SWK
GEMC
DOM
TFF
CK
SIG

All of the above units have up their individual tags and united under 1 banner, the MS banner. That's an alliance everybody gave up something to unify.

Show me the banner that marik unites under. Otherwise what you have is not an alliance...what you have is a CO-OP that will fall apart the second that units disagree because no one has equally invested "skin in the game"




When did I ever call anyone "out of the loop". I believe you are confusing poster's

Sorry, mistype - what I meant was "and his buddy calls someone out of the loop". My mistake.

[Roadbeer]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

Show me the banner that marik unites under. Otherwise what you have is not an alliance...what you have is a CO-OP that will fall apart the second that units disagree because no one has equally invested "skin in the game"

Ahh, but you see, y'all gave up your individuality to unite under one flag, and one "leader".

Marik learned almost 2 decades ago that this leads to egos, fracturing and many not so kind words. We are a coalition that formed under one banner, and while each unit has its individuality, no unit has more "power" than the other. A unit with 5 members has the same voice as a unit with 100.

RMA fights along with 4th RH
DRs fight along with Widows

And any merc unit that comes onto our server has a space in the group.

We don't care about getting our little tags on planets, because at the end of the day, the planet is still purple.

[Xavier]

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

Right, because everyone knows when the US, UK, France and others united in World War II, those countries ceased to exist as individual entities. You're absolutely right.

Alright bringing history into this lets be honest now who won that war. I beleive that one side was losing until a certain nation entered the fight which turned the war around. One nation carried the burden while everyone else took advantage for their own glory. There are numerous accounts of advances being halted so that other nations could get their day in the sun for publicity sake. Yeah again that sounds like an alliance. Each unit wanted their own day in the sun.

And for the record these countries did unite unite under one banner. They were called the "Allies". Please review your history.

Also if you have ever stopped by the MS team speak server you would notice that every pilot inside of MS still owns their unit tags and are represented as such in team speak.

[Faith McCarron]

MischiefSC, on 08 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I applaud any big group of players. Takes a lot of work to juggle that many egos.

However ms has a bad reputation because after all that work to unify most of what everyone else sees is entitlement minded jackasses. This idea that nobody should be loyalists and everyone needs to be big merc units or they are doing it wrong.

The ironic bit is that that approach makes CW irrelevant. May as well just have invasion game mode in group queue.

The apocalypse is here, I have agreed with and liked a Mischief post...

[Valar13]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

Alright bringing history into this lets be honest now who won that war. I beleive that one side was losing until a certain nation entered the fight which turned the war around. One nation carried the burden while everyone else took advantage for their own glory. There are numerous accounts of advances being halted so that other nations could get their day in the sun for publicity sake. Yeah again that sounds like an alliance. Each unit wanted their own day in the sun.

And for the record these countries did unite unite under one banner. They were called the "Allies". Please review your history.

Also if you have ever stopped by the MS team speak server you would notice that every pilot inside of MS still owns their unit tags and are represented as such in team speak.

Would you be employing the idiotic "'Murica won the war" rhetoric? Or perhaps referring to the Soviets, who were largely responsible for breaking the back of the German war machine?

Show me the part where members of the Allies gave up their individual identities as separate military entities or stop equivocating.