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[Bigbacon]

Anyone starting to feel this way that only laser weapons really matter and that anything else is fairly useless?

Like a laser anything can dish out enough damage to negate any other weapon type for the most part.

has it always been this way it is just seems worse now or I am in a ELO range where non-optimal builds just do not work at all?

[Monkey Lover]

Only when I ran clan mechs. IS gauss and ac are my favorite on heavy+ cmechs. I like pin point dmg.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 06 February 2015 - 08:20 AM.

[Lily from animove]

No,

IS ac's are very well working weapons, clan AC's are a bid nosnense.

Gauss is a great weapon. if you cna put 2 on a mehc, otherwise a single one is not that great.

srms and streaks,a re too much spreaddamge to work reliable on bigger mechs, yet good for hunting lights.

And so lasers are one of the most used wepaons, because: they are available for all ranges, ammo indpendend. and sine every mech can simply have DHS upgrades its nothing to think about if you should use DHS or not.

Further with a massive heattreshold of a skilled mech beginning mostly at 50 (or maybe 45 for some lights) There is a massive amount of open heat ressource to spam a lot enerygweapons.

Edited by Lily from animove, 06 February 2015 - 08:20 AM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Its all a result of the PPFLD meta this game has embraced. Nothing but packing in the most guns per blast matters.

Since All lasers, no matter the size sync together in speed and burn times and crap, plus they have no ammo, and heat doesnt matter, except keeping yourself below 100%, yeah, lasers are the only guns that matter.

Cannons, only when you can slap in like 4 and if they are IS, or missiles when you can boat them and get a NARC allied to light stuff up do they matter.

[Flaming oblivion]

I've seen direwolfs that would disagree with your clan AC statement.

[InspectorG]

LAZORS GOLDEN RACE SUPER WEAPON

Cuz you cant Wub with the other weapons.

[Mister Blastman]

LordKnightFandragon, on 06 February 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

Its all a result of the PPFLD meta this game has embraced. Nothing but packing in the most guns per blast matters.

Since All lasers, no matter the size sync together in speed and burn times and crap, plus they have no ammo, and heat doesnt matter, except keeping yourself below 100%, yeah, lasers are the only guns that matter.

Cannons, only when you can slap in like 4 and if they are IS, or missiles when you can boat them and get a NARC allied to light stuff up do they matter.

This is all due to convergence. Something we have campaigned for them to fix since July of 2012 and they still haven't done anything at all to address it.

[Lily from animove]

Flaming oblivion, on 06 February 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

I've seen direwolfs that would disagree with your clan AC statement.

clan Ac's are still bad and a DW can make it better with other laodouts. you can still pilot trollbuilds to big success, yet most of them are not really at the maximum of their potential. clan Ac's are inferior weapons. if PGI ever allows crosstech, wow, fear the UAC dakkawolf wielding IS Ac's. that will be OP.

[Gas Guzzler]

Lasers aren't front loaded damage.

Why would you not boat lots of lasers and fire them all at once? The alternative is standing there staring firing one at a time? That's called face tanking and that is not good.

[Lily from animove]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 February 2015 - 08:27 AM, said:

Lasers aren't front loaded damage.

Why would you not boat lots of lasers and fire them all at once? The alternative is standing there staring firing one at a time? That's called face tanking and that is not good.

they are forntloaded damage, they are not Pinpoint damage.

Edited by Lily from animove, 06 February 2015 - 08:28 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Front-loaded means all the damage occuring at the instant the weapon contacts. PPCs, gauss rifles, IS ACs, SRMs are all examples of front-loaded.

That's why a while ago it was all crying about the PPFLD meta with PPCs and ACs. Now that has been nerfed and lo and behold we move on to crying about a new laser vomit meta. I knew this was going to happen when the old meta was nerfed, that's why I wanted a slight buff to lasers whilst keeping PPCs where they were so we would have multiple viable mid range direct fire options. Now PPCs can't compete, IS ACs are okay if boated but not nearly as effective at range and are heavy and have ammo, and gauss rifles are good but heavy and not all mechs can equip them.

You want less lasers? Make PPCs able to compete [on more than just a couple of mechs]. After all, they are the heavier weapon and should be more powerful than an ER LL but they are definitely not.

[Weeny Machine]

LordKnightFandragon, on 06 February 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

Its all a result of the PPFLD meta this game has embraced.  Nothing but packing in the most guns per blast matters.

Since All lasers, no matter the size sync together in speed and burn times and crap, plus they have no ammo, and heat doesnt matter, except keeping yourself below 100%, yeah, lasers are the only guns that matter.

Cannons, only when you can slap in like 4 and if they are IS, or missiles when you can boat them and get a NARC allied to light stuff up do they matter.

Plus: They are good against light mechs. You can adjust your aim to do some damage (not full but better some than nothing) whereas often a gauss is hard to aim/timeConvergence is the issue. Heck, even in novels is a spread, also in the TT but not here. Actually every weapon system has a build-in clan targeting computer from the TT...err nooo wait, the TT targeting computer makes it even harder to hit

Edited by Bush Hopper, 06 February 2015 - 08:42 AM.

[Votanin FleshRender]

InspectorG, on 06 February 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

LAZORS GOLDEN RACE SUPER WEAPON

Cuz you cant Wub with the other weapons.

Clan UACs are sorta ballistic wubwubs!

[TercieI]

InspectorG, on 06 February 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

LAZORS GOLDEN RACE SUPER WEAPON

Cuz you cant Wub with the other weapons.

And if you ain't wubbin' you ain't mechin'!

[Amsro]

Gauss are you talking about!!

[Widowmaker1981]

Lily from animove, on 06 February 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

they are forntloaded damage, they are not Pinpoint damage.

No.

Frontloaded means all their damage is done upfront instantly upon connection with the target, and includes:
IS ACs,SRMs, PPCs, IS LRMs (on mechs with enough tubes for their launchers) and Gauss Rifles

Pinpoint means all the damage is delivered to one tiny spot and includes everything except SRMs, LBX autocannons, LRMs and SSRMs (which are their own special thing). Lasers (and Clan non LBX ACs) are a special case with this as the damage can be turned into spread damage instead of pinpoint by either the target or firers motion.

PPFLD weapons are IS ACs, Gauss and PPCs only.

Lasers are sort of pinpoint, and most definitely not frontloaded. What they are is exceptional damage per ton, and hitscan (infinite projectile speed)

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 06 February 2015 - 09:20 AM.

[Abisha]

Lasers do not have mass, so Matter is out of the question.

[cSand]

Seriously, lasers?

All you have to do is be moving and it's damage is cut down drastically


Other weapons (yes including CLAN AC's) are far more effective if you can aim worth a damn

that last part gets most people though

Edited by cSand, 06 February 2015 - 09:32 AM.

[ThrashInc]

Flaming oblivion, on 06 February 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

I've seen direwolfs that would disagree with your clan AC statement.

The only reason this build works is because it is scary and it suppresses. Those Direwolfs would disagree a lot harder if their damage wasn't being cut to 1/3rd of what it should be due to hit registry failing.

Edit: And as mentioned above, they are not pinpoint.

Edited by GundamStompyRobotChurchy, 06 February 2015 - 09:31 AM.

[Xythius]

cSand, on 06 February 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Seriously, lasers?

All you have to do is be moving and it's damage is cut down drastically


Other weapons (yes including CLAN AC's) are far more effective if you can aim worth a damn

that last part gets most people though

You actually disproved your second point with your first point. Since clan AC's are burst-fire, their damage is spreadable just like lasers. So "if you can aim worth a damn" lasers will still be the more effective weapon.