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[Don Alosi]

IF (the enemy 12 man group has at least an 8 man premade) AND (you don't)
THEN
IF (you win)
Underdog bonus = 7500xnumber of players in biggest premade team
ELSE IF (you draw or lose)
Underdog bonus = 5000xnumber of players in biggest premade team


the numbers are just for discussion, you can argue for a lower amount, basically, what would you think of giving pugs a small bonus if facing a premade in CW?

[CantHandletheTruth]

Don Alosi, on 07 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

IF (the enemy 12 man group has at least an 8 man premade) AND (you don't)
THEN
IF (you win)
Underdog bonus = 7500xnumber of players in biggest premade team
ELSE IF (you draw or lose)
Underdog bonus = 5000xnumber of players in biggest premade team


the numbers are just for discussion, you can argue for a lower amount, basically, what would you think of giving pugs a small bonus if facing a premade in CW?

I win in pugs and lose in groups like every day.


......not saying its a bad idea, just saying.

[Don Alosi]

CantHandletheTruth, on 07 February 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

I win in pugs and lose in groups like every day.


......not saying its a bad idea, just saying.

I think It would just alleviate some of the pain that people feel when stomped by an unit (meh, at least i got the bonus) or make a difficult victory sweeter (yeah, bonus points!)

[etrius]

Even if it doesn't work exactly as proposed by the OP, this is an excellent idea to compensate those PUGing in CW.
The only exploit I see is unit members sync dropping on planets rather than grouping up to get the bonus. I'm sure there is an easy way to prevent that by considering those in the same unit as premade whether they are grouped or not.

[Strykewolf]

Yeah, pugs have it a bit harder. Though, on occasion we've dropped short teams in order to try and work with pugs that fill us out; answer questions, give insight on opponents, strats/tacs as we see it (doesn't guarantee a win, of course but...even in a loss with some direction/additional cohesion; the score is usually better); that sort of thing. Get them into TS when possible and, drag them around to different fights, and such.

May times, though, we need every one of our actives that are on just to do what we need doing for the faction.

Have solo dropped into pugs...have both won, and lost in them. Usually lost. The pug on pug fights tend to go better for them, overall. That said, I have seen more than one pug turn the tables on a 12-man; have seen pugs try to turn our own tactics against us (good for them, btw...needs to happen more often). It's a rough time for those first trying it; I think the should get something say, for the first 25 cw battles they do, sort of like for just starting out in regular games. Something like the full loyalty/cbill thing that the would normally get on a win; for a loss...and if they win; +50% to both.

Edited by Strykewolf, 07 February 2015 - 09:15 PM.

[wanderer]

Large numbers of PUGs in 12-man CW are fodder for a real group. Nothing more, nothing less. You can't trust your "team", and that's a fatal flaw in group play.

When I go in with more than 4 PUGs, I go in expecting to lose. I am rarely disappointed.

That's why Paul's doing 4v4 modes next. It'll seriously reduce the number of mobs to get crushed in CW, since naturally those will fill up faster and go faster to boot.

[Don Alosi]

We're not talking about how effective a pug is, we know it is not, that's the point of considering the idea of an underdog bonus.

It just saddens me to see cw kinda empty, (EU here, don't know about US times)

[Satan n stuff]

Don Alosi, on 07 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

IF (the enemy 12 man group has at least an 8 man premade) AND (you don't)
THEN
IF (you win)
Underdog bonus = 7500xnumber of players in biggest premade team
ELSE IF (you draw or lose)
Underdog bonus = 5000xnumber of players in biggest premade team


the numbers are just for discussion, you can argue for a lower amount, basically, what would you think of giving pugs a small bonus if facing a premade in CW?

If that's implemented we'll have new players throwing themselves at 12 man groups and costing their faction planets because it's profitable.

[Don Alosi]

Satan n stuff, on 08 February 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:

If that's implemented we'll have new players throwing themselves at 12 man groups and costing their faction planets because it's profitable.

You make more money playing normal maps, even considering the bonus, but still, at least they would play cw. And what's the problem with losing planets? It's not like they give any kind of bonus.

[Satan n stuff]

Don Alosi, on 08 February 2015 - 03:35 AM, said:

You make more money playing normal maps, even considering the bonus, but still, at least they would play cw. And what's the problem with losing planets? It's not like they give any kind of bonus.

You're underestimating how little some new players make, and how quickly a 12 man group would roll them.
There are a bunch of dedicated players trying to take or defend planets, imagine how they would feel if all their efforts were deliberately countered by players on their own side.
It doesn't matter that the planets don't currently do anything, the fact that people are willing to fight over them means that they have value, at least to those people.

[EvilCow]

Some kind of PUG bonus is not a bad idea.

[AssaultPig]

incentivizing people to get stomped isn't a good way to go

just paying people more for getting wrecked by org groups might make them queue up, but it won't make the experience of playing CW any more fun

Edited by AssaultPig, 08 February 2015 - 03:54 AM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Lure the cannon fudder in with some "sugar"

[Tarzilman]

Don Alosi, on 07 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

IF (the enemy 12 man group has at least an 8 man premade) AND (you don't)
THEN
IF (you win)
Underdog bonus = 7500xnumber of players in biggest premade team
ELSE IF (you draw or lose)
Underdog bonus = 5000xnumber of players in biggest premade team


the numbers are just for discussion, you can argue for a lower amount, basically, what would you think of giving pugs a small bonus if facing a premade in CW?

You should be able to read the whole thing without the brackets, 'cause the words in brackets are something like sidenotes, aren't they?
If you do so, the OP said:
IF THEN IF
Underdog bonus = 7500xnumber of players in biggest premade team
ELSE IF
Underdog bonus = 5000xnumber of players in biggest premade team.

[Triordinant]

Don Alosi, on 07 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

IF (the enemy 12 man group has at least an 8 man premade) AND (you don't)
THEN
IF (you win)
Underdog bonus = 7500xnumber of players in biggest premade team
ELSE IF (you draw or lose)
Underdog bonus = 5000xnumber of players in biggest premade team


the numbers are just for discussion, you can argue for a lower amount, basically, what would you think of giving pugs a small bonus if facing a premade in CW?

Most PUGs stay away from CW not because it's not profitable, but because it's not fun. If CW is fun for most PUGs (and I'm not sure if this can ever be achieved), then most PUGs will show up. Details here.

[Malleus011]

The best way to get PUGS into CW is to make it fun.

[Weeny Machine]

You want to sugar the masochism for PuGs? Sorry, but that's the wrong approach. CW should be made fun for them. Unfortunately this can only be achieved when they fight on equal level: PuG vs PuG

[Don Alosi]

What is your proposal to make it fun. then? Because mine,as I stated, was to reward PUGS a little bit more if standing against organized clans, which would increase the amount of pugs in CW and decrease the chance of matching up against a Group.

(another thing I would do is remove the soloqueue completely and implement all the maps in CW... but I'm not ready to stand the amount of flame I would get for proposing that).

If I stand by what you guys imply, there is no way to make it fun.

[Weeny Machine]

Don Alosi, on 08 February 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

What is your proposal to make it fun. then? Because mine,as I stated, was to reward PUGS a little bit more if standing against organized clans, which would increase the amount of pugs in CW and decrease the chance of matching up against a Group.

(another thing I would do is remove the soloqueue completely and implement all the maps in CW... but I'm not ready to stand the amount of flame I would get for proposing that).

If I stand by what you guys imply, there is no way to make it fun.

As I said above: Let PuGs fight PuGs and people will have fun.

Your proposal to hang a bigger carrot in front of a puggers nose changes nothing because he will (in most cases at least) never get the said carrot anyway. And getting repeatedly punched in the balls is not fun.

[C E Dwyer]

A bit of sugar for PUGS, does this mean we need a spoon for a cockpit item ?