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[Renegade]

If I remember one of BTech's short stories, they don't actually issue batchalls when it's mech on mech or paint targets. The lower ranked warriors in a given star wait until the higher ranked ones have chosen their targets, and the duel is declared by shooting at someone.

That was Nova Cats, though, so I dunno how different that is from the norm.

Edited by Renegade, 29 November 2011 - 10:49 AM.

[Garth Erlam]

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv

[Stormwolf]

Garth Erlam, on 29 November 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv Wolf

Fixed

[Amarus Cameron]

Alizabeth Aijou, on 25 November 2011 - 07:02 AM, said:

I, MechWarrior Alizabeth Kotare of Clan Smoke Jaguar declare a Trial of Grievance against Cyber Carns, for not incuding a mention of my Clan, nor the mention of Clan Burrock. I pilot the sole Ebon Jaguar in my Star. I hereby invoke the ritual of Zellbrigen and challenge Cyber Carns to a dual of warriors. In this solemn matter, let no one interfere!

Somebody beat me to it.

Edited by Amarus Cameron, 29 November 2011 - 12:05 PM.

[Amarus Cameron]

Garth Erlam, on 29 November 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv

Oh our admins are trolling us...how obscene! No matter, those dezgra surats received their just deserts when the exploded a nuclear device, over a genetic repository no less...Zellbringen or no Zellbringen, that is against the Honor of the Star League, whom they claimed to be descended from.

Stormwolf, on 29 November 2011 - 11:08 AM, said:

Fixed [he changed it to wolf]

Yeah...no...they are tricky freebirth those Wolves are.

[Renegade]

Garth Erlam, on 29 November 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv

*sighs*

*eyes ER PPC*

*fires up a gauss rifle* Maybe this'll work...

[GreyGriffin]

Garth Erlam, on 29 November 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv

*twitch* Clan Voldemort killed my geneparents.

[HIemfire]

Amarus Cameron, on 29 November 2011 - 12:09 PM, said:

Oh our admins are trolling us...how obscene! No matter, those dezgra surats received their just deserts when the exploded a nuclear device, over a genetic repository no less...Zellbringen or no Zellbringen, that is against the Honor of the Star League, whom they claimed to be descended from.

The Periphery nations would be able to honestly say otherwise. Ian Cameron (hmmm, namesake) dumped the Ares Conventions at the start of the Reunification War. The tactic was viable and I'm sorry, Genetic Repository? Do you think, maybe for one second if you let it slip past the Not-Named moniker, that what it was was what made it a target? A center for cloning the "best" of the Exodus with 'some' other bits thrown in? Sounds like a fair target to me. Especially how the term 'best' usually ends up being defined.

[Colddawg]

Going off the first post I believe that the way to do this is to issue a batchall to the opposing team and if they accept then they can post terms of zell which the clan warriors can choose to accept or deny.

The clan warriors have the option to not issue a batchall.

To keep this from being drawn out the clan warrior/commander can deny anything, but will not gain extra honor (experience?) by denying a zell offer.

To keep IS warriors from forcing a bid too low that it is unreasonable they can either choose square combat or face all the clan 'Mechs at once.

The only other thing I see happening is that a RANDOM BATTLE form of game play will be made where it evenly distributes clan and IS 'Mechs to all teams involved. This is probably what is going to happen and then during factional wars there will be full batchalls and zell.

However I really enjoy the idea of throwing out a batchall only to see it rejected and then letting loose a bunch of clan 'Mechs on outclassed IS 'Mechs.

Perks to zell would be extra gains for beating your opponent, IS winning over clan or clan winning over IS. Plus a little leg up to the IS 'Mechs.

[Atlas3060]

Garth Erlam, on 29 November 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv

*WHAM*
Sorry, it is the Ghost Bear side of me that just suddenly reached for that spiked mallet which flew into you by accident.

[Semyon Drakon]

There is a certain dark amusement in the following.

"This is Star Colonel Semyon Drakon of Clan Jade Falcon. I declare a Trial of Possession for this planet and would know with what forces you will defend?"

"I'm not telling you anything fool, bring it on!"

<a short time later>

"How many dropships?"

[Volume]

Garth Erlam, on 29 November 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

You know who really knew their Zellbrigen? Clan Wolv

It seems to me that the joke is lost on most. He was not trolling you by spelling wolf wrong, he was mentioning clan Wolverine, the "unnamed" clan, which was annihilated in a trial of annihilation.

What I think he's saying is that Zellbrigen is impractical, and would lead to decimation if not destruction of society, and will not be included in the game.

[Pave Low]

Won't servers with automated match-making (as all multiplayer games are now) make... Zilbriggan or whatever his name is...irrelevant??

[Kami Shinigami]

No, it will only make the bidding process irrelevant.

[Slepnir]

Well as others have said i see it as problamatic unless thay have a dedicated server for ZELL, in tabletop game terms we always run 2:1 IS lances VS a single clan star, however we have been playing for many many years and we also use field manual special rules for each particular unit we play to add flavor to the game.
Some follow zell without exception (blood spirits, goliath scorpions etc...) and some are opportunistic or do not follow it at all like my lota galaxy hells horse.

[Ratwedge]

Zellbriggen? There is a reason I play Wolf, its so I can drop it like its hawt and kill Spheroids.

[Tifalia]

I can think of a number of those regulations of Zellbringen which, for the most part, hold true, but not necessarily enforced.

The main one is "§ Failure to fire a weapon when possible is prohibited."

It is not prohibited, per se to not fire any of your weapons if you have the chance, but it is frowned upon by some Clan Warriors (particularly aging Warriors, as opposed to new blooded Warriors, which fight with the experience of age and wisdom to see them through, no all-out aggressiveness.)

[Frantic Pryde]

To everyone who says casual players won't "rp" Zell,

Your probably right. In the fluff there are some clansmen who where more liberal than others with it and it reflected in their codex. However, as the devs have already mentioned, players who do that while playing as a clansman will be penalized for it by not receiving as many points/c-bills.

I don't think zell is going to do much in the way of balance, but if there is a reward system built around it then it will certainly help. I want to see that I. The game one way or another. If your going to be a clansman you need to act like one, at least a little.

Remember as far as balance goes that this game is not all about having the big guns, it's going to be more about skill, strategy and teamwork. And they already mentioned it's going to be largely objective based. Not just stand and shoot.

[William White]

I just think this needs it be a player choice at the start if they want to play by certin rules let them! but I am a merc, dishonourable or not I will plant my axe in your face.

[Basch]

Hay guys i did have a question about Zellbringen iv been going over in my head and im hopeing i can get a clearer idea of how zell works.
I know that its dishonerable to shoot a mech in the back but lets say you roll up on a IS lance and your in the flanking position, do you walk right out infront of them and go "HAY SHOOT ME!" or do you exploit your advantage? Would it change any of the IS lance was fireing on a clan position or laying in ambush?