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[Tennex]

Would like to see rings around the Gauss rifle.

Or at least some sort of change to reflect how powerful this weapon is













I get that they are going for something realistic instead of colorful rings.. Why not rings of air distortion?

Edited by Tennex, 08 February 2015 - 03:56 PM.

[JohnnyWayne]

I dont know if they should be blue. I don't know if there are some in form of physics. But I like the effect. Get the physics guys come in here and let them speak up.

Your last picture is not a Gauss rifle.^^ But that is the most of an effect you will get there in real life I think.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 08 February 2015 - 03:57 PM.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Maybe, but I'd like a better sound at least.

A loud and sudden crack of a sonic boom since it is going at hypersonic speeds at 2,000 m/s.



Edit: check this out

Edited by Praetor Knight, 08 February 2015 - 04:00 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

JohnnyWayne, on 08 February 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

I dont know if they should be blue. I don't know if there are some in form of physics. But I like the effect. Get the physics guys come in here and let them speak up.

Your last picture is not a Gauss rifle.^^ But that is the most of an effect you will get there in real life I think.

according to Google thats what it looks like

the fire is the air burning from the friction not from a charge

You know, that does actually LOOK like a gauss rifle lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 February 2015 - 04:08 PM.

[Tennex]

JohnnyWayne, on 08 February 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

Your last picture is not a Gauss rifle.^^ But that is the most of an effect you will get there in real life I think.

yeah thats a vortex gun

Theres two types of theoretical weapons making use of electromagnetic right now.
The Coil gun, and the railgun.
Like the names the rail gun uses rails, and the coil gun uses coils.

Gauss gun = coil gun


Its not very practical weapon right now,
but who knows, may be possible in the future. And alex's art with triangular coils seems like they are really going for the coil gun.

The Railgun, is the closest thing we got in terms of an electromagnetic weapon right now. Its much more practical cuz its just a much more efficient use of forces



While the weapon model resmbles more of a gauss rifle, the weapons effects where theres pieces breaking off is more like the railgun.


Since in the railgun, the bullets have to be put onto a straddle(i guess its called an armature) made of very good conductive material, and as the gun fires, the straddle breaks off into pieces as it fires or rubs against the side of the rails into fire and bits break off.

Edited by Tennex, 08 February 2015 - 04:48 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

coil gun... tho underpowered and home made

The real ones seem horribly weak lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 February 2015 - 04:16 PM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

MechBuddah, that's a railgun(edit - the first video, second is a coilgun), different critter. Coilguns, aka Gauss, work differently, doesn't have such an explosive firing, part of their appeal, no flash to see. They DO produce a muzzle blast of air at supersonic speed, which should produce an impressive vapor ring or rings and a sonic boom that would make Thor envious.

Tennex, 2 things...first, railguns are cheaper and easier to build than gauss, not more efficient per se. Railguns are about power, coilguns/gauss are about timing. Less power required for the Gauss, but the hardware to get that timing right is SO expensive that's it's not really cost effective like the railgun is...currently

Second, given the time frame of the game, coilguns are being used, capacitors that power the electromagnets, the things that blow up and cause the 20 pts of ammo explosion damage, sounds more like coil over rail, since only coilguns HAVE electromagnets in them, railguns ARE electromagnets, just saying

Pics 1 and 2, that's something that would look good and be realistic for MWO, those fit nicely and could be really noticable with the proper atmospherics in place, fog, rain, dust, etc.

Edited by Kristov Kerensky, 08 February 2015 - 04:35 PM.

[Alistair Winter]

I like the shockwave around the mouth of the barrel. The old school spirals along the trajectory of the projectile are a bit outdated in 2015, I think.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Tennex, on 08 February 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

yeah thats a vortex gun

Theres two types of theoretical weapons making use of electromagnetic right now.
The Coil gun, and the railgun.
Like the names the rail gun uses rails, and the coil gun uses coils.

Gauss gun = coil gun


Its not very practical weapon right now,
but who knows, may be possible in the future. And alex's art with triangular coils seems like they are really going for the coil gun.

The Railgun, is the closest thing we got in terms of an electromagnetic weapon right now. Its much more practical cuz its just a much more efficient use of forces



While the weapon model resmbles more of a gauss rifle, the weapons effects where theres pieces breaking off is more like the railgun.


Since the bullets have to be put onto a straddle(i guess its called an armature) made of very good conductive material, and as the gun fires, the straddle breaks off into pieces as it fires or rubs against the side of the rails into fire and bits break off.

Is it me or is that not unlike how a sabot round fires?

Kristov Kerensky, on 08 February 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

MechBuddah, that's a railgun, different critter. Coilguns, aka Gauss, work differently, doesn't have such an explosive firing, part of their appeal, no flash to see.

Yeah all the ones Im finding pictures/video of are homemade things and can barely break drinking glasses or plastic

I like that you can see the shockwave ahead of the projectile in the still of the video I poated

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 February 2015 - 04:38 PM.

[Urdnot Mau]

At the very least they could fix that damn bug that delays the sound charge or even completely mutes it
that freakin thing has been around for a looong time. About as long as the charge mechanic itself

[Tennex]

Kristov Kerensky, on 08 February 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Tennex, 2 things...first, railguns are cheaper and easier to build than gauss, not more efficient per se. Railguns are about power, coilguns/gauss are about timing. Less power required for the Gauss, but the hardware to get that timing right is SO expensive that's it's not really cost effective like the railgun is...currently

I dunno about all that, I would argue that a system using electricity which runs in a U shape, where the 2 rails, along with the bullet itself provide the force is much more efficient use of electromagnetism than a system using god knows how many coils switching off and on.

Maybe the fact that the railgun is a reality and the coil gun is not speaks to that difference. But who knows, we are comparing an actual weapon to a theoretical weapon and trying to gauge how much one costs over the other or how much energy one uses vs. the other when we don't even know how much the railgun cost's or energy requirements

Edited by Tennex, 08 February 2015 - 04:45 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Urdnot Mau, on 08 February 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

At the very least they could fix that damn bug that delays the sound charge or even completely mutes it
that freakin thing has been around for a looong time. About as long as the charge mechanic itself

...or we could get rid of the charge lol

yet another bandaid fix that needs to be looked at

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 February 2015 - 04:44 PM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Buddah, that's because the easiest to make are the weakest, hence the homemade videos of them. We were making them back in the 80s with 12v car batteries and using 16p nails for ammo. Can't get the timing really tight with those homemade systems..yet, but I'm thinking someone could probably get pretty damn close these days, since a cellphone now has the computing power to control that sequence that tightly...still need some damned tight coils and extremely precise hardware elsewhere...too expense really for home use currently, but getting better. Ours in the 80s weren't even as powerful as that video, we could stick the nails in wood sometimes, occasionally break glass, usually just bounced off everything. We considered blunting nails and having wars but those batteries were just too big to carry around, and only good for a few shots before they had to be recharged.

And yes, the railgun uses a sabot system, just without an explosive propellant. Railguns don't have electromagnets to explode, which is what causes the 'ammo explosion' damage from a critically hit gauss rifle, they actually got that part right, go figure right?

Tennex, coilgun/gauss do exist, they've existed for years, DARPA is working on them and has been since decades. And they are more efficient, they just aren't cost effective at our current state of technology, not yet, but technology keeps advancing...

[GenghisJr]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 February 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

according to Google thats what it looks like

the fire is the air burning from the friction not from a charge

You know, that does actually LOOK like a gauss rifle lol

Thats a rail gun projectile, both work on electro magnetism but the gauss rifle works with coils and the projectile is not part of the circuit. This is what it should look like.

it should look like - nothing.
As well as the power, the advantage of the gauss rifle is its hard to see where the fire is coming from, so, no, the gauss rifle does not need a new effect that tells the target where they are being fired at from

[Wiley Coyote]

Ring around the gauss round,
Pocket full of (something that rhymes with gauss round),
Hitreg! Hitreg!
The mech falls down.

[Jin Ma]

maybe if you gausk nicely.. i'll show myself out

[Alcom Isst]

Right, let's have a little game history overview.

MechWarrior 2 Gauss Rifle
It's a round grey sphere that goes very fast. That's exactly what a guass rifle is. Also, look, it has a little muzzle flash. That's neat.


MechWarrior 3 Gauss Rifle
Looks like a green PPC. Awesome!


MechWarrior 4 Gauss Rifle
I AM DEATH INCARNATE!


MechWarrior Online

[Aethon]

I believe the Gauss Rifle should be shaped like an electric guitar, held in your mech's hands. If you do not have hands, you are BONED. Squeezing the trigger should result in your mech 'shredding', followed by a badass guitar solo heard 'round the map, as the projectile departs the barrel, hidden within the neck of the guitar. Sparks and fire will fly out of the guitar's body, because reasons. As the slug leaves the muzzle, the sabots (which are made of bacon) will peel away, revealing the projectile itself, which is actually Bruce Lee flying like Superman toward your target with his fists above his head, like he's going to double-brofist your target in the face. The result of impact is an explosion with a huge mushroom cloud, reminiscent of a nuclear blast, even on HPG Manifold, because explosions.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Aethon, on 08 February 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

I believe the Gauss Rifle should be shaped like an electric guitar, held in your mech's hands. If you do not have hands, you are BONED. Squeezing the trigger should result in your mech 'shredding', followed by a badass guitar solo heard 'round the map, as the projectile departs the barrel, hidden within the neck of the guitar. Sparks and fire will fly out of the guitar's body, because reasons. As the slug leaves the muzzle, the sabots (which are made of bacon) will peel away, revealing the projectile itself, which is actually Bruce Lee flying like Superman toward your target with his fists above his head, like he's going to double-brofist your target in the face. The result of impact is an explosion with a huge mushroom cloud, reminiscent of a nuclear blast, even on HPG Manifold, because explosions.

Ok, I'm sold, PGI make it so!

[Wiley Coyote]

Aethon, on 08 February 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

I believe the Gauss Rifle should be shaped like an electric guitar, held in your mech's hands. If you do not have hands, you are BONED. Squeezing the trigger should result in your mech 'shredding', followed by a badass guitar solo heard 'round the map, as the projectile departs the barrel, hidden within the neck of the guitar. Sparks and fire will fly out of the guitar's body, because reasons. As the slug leaves the muzzle, the sabots (which are made of bacon) will peel away, revealing the projectile itself, which is actually Bruce Lee flying like Superman toward your target with his fists above his head, like he's going to double-brofist your target in the face. The result of impact is an explosion with a huge mushroom cloud, reminiscent of a nuclear blast, even on HPG Manifold, because explosions.

As long as they stick with Bruce Lee. If they use Chuck Norris, everyone will cry about it being OP due to all the one shot head kills.