Check Out The T28
#1
Posted 09 February 2015 - 07:27 AM
#2
Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:06 PM
#3
Posted 09 February 2015 - 05:06 PM
Marack Drock, on 09 February 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:
I would actually like to have a discussion with you about this, as I disagree about tanks being obsolete. With stealth tech, anti-missile systems, modern armor and the latest weapons coming out (railguns and lasers), I think that tanks are going to become more deadly then ever.
Invisibility to tracking and lock on systems, armor that can defeat anti-tank guns and even handheld infantry rocket launchers (my ex-military friends have told me plenty of stories about how they do), missile defense systems that destroy Hellfires and Javelins before they even hit the tank, and main guns that are longer ranged and more powerful than ever means that the tank is here to stay, I think.
It will probably become smaller, cheaper, and autonomous, like everything else in the military is, but I really don't think tanks are going anywhere.
#4
Posted 09 February 2015 - 07:18 PM
Marack Drock, on 09 February 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:
You make a good point about tanks being immobilized, but I think you may misunderstand how tough tanks actually are.
An acquaintance of mine who was in the military told me a story about how an M1A1 Abrams tank had its engine deck blown out by an RPG. A lucky shot had hit the exhaust vents in the back of the tank and shrapnel ruined the engine, even through the tank itself survived. (For the record, getting hit in the back isn't something that happens often in real combat because tanks have air, infantry, and other tanks protecting their sides and back). So, not wanting to waste a perfectly good tank hull, they towed it back to their base to use as target practice for their anti-tank weapons and .50 cal machine guns.
They shot at the tank for months and months with .50 cals, LAW and SMAW rockets (the American equivalent of an RPG but much more powerful), and not one shot made it through the front or sides of the tank. Yeah, RPGs and .50 caliber machine guns will burn through a tank hull eventually from pure metal fatigue, but not nearly fast enough to save you from being blown to pieces by the cannon.
Also, machine guns with grenade launcher attachments? You mean like the M4A1 and its M203 launcher?
The tank crew would literally be laughing it off.
Edited by StompingOnTanks, 09 February 2015 - 07:20 PM.
#6
Posted 10 February 2015 - 06:45 AM
I was in the military briefly, never really saw any action because of my post. Did more push-ups than anything else or marched an the parade grounds for the brass. Others, including someone I considered a friend at the time, went over. When he came back, he wasn't the same. His whole personality had changed, and his health had deteriorated. Despite my being little more than a shelf-boy I loved the aspect of armor.
#7
Posted 10 February 2015 - 07:18 AM
Marack Drock, on 10 February 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:
The reason Google is showing you WWII AT-rifles is because in modern warfare they basically don't exist. I've heard of a few 20mm anti-material rifles out there but the rest of the world basically go only as far as .50 cal, and I'm pretty sure none of those would penetrate modern tank armor. Anti-material rifles are heavy, will NOT penetrate tanks, requires extensive training, and most importantly, expensive. I bet you could buy a whole crate of RPGs for the price of a Barrett's scope alone.
#8
Posted 10 February 2015 - 07:51 AM
This monster, however, has a good chance of it
Edited by TheSilken, 10 February 2015 - 07:57 AM.
#9
Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:04 AM
TheSilken, on 10 February 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:
This monster, however, has a good chance of it
Until a Zaku shows up.
#10
Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:06 AM
Moar M61A5 goodness
Edited by TheSilken, 10 February 2015 - 08:16 AM.
#11
Posted 10 February 2015 - 10:54 AM
One such vision is this, the PL-01 Concept:
Although I wouldn't put any stock in 'ArmedForcesUpdate' a well-known Russian troll who laughingly thinks Russian hardware can hold a candle to anything in the West - the PL-01 is a joint concept design from Polish and English companies. (And yes its 'real' you can find other videos of it driving around, although at this stage in its development its probably just a rolling 'shell' meant for demonstrations and conventions.)
Edited by ORCRiST, 10 February 2015 - 11:16 AM.
#12
Posted 10 February 2015 - 11:40 AM
/thread
Edited by Helmstif, 10 February 2015 - 11:40 AM.
#13
Posted 10 February 2015 - 11:53 AM
Given the advancements in railgun, solid state laser, and graphene technology (look them up, especially graphene. Cool stuff), the tank is due for a hardcore revival.
Obviously air power is going to win against any modern tanks. But air power wins against anything but other air power. Even ground based AA batteries have become a bit of a joke for modern air forces. Stealth and ECM has rendered it virtually obsolete.
However, there are a lot of things aircraft can't do. Open doors being among them:
#14
Posted 10 February 2015 - 01:46 PM
#15
Posted 10 February 2015 - 02:27 PM
TheSilken, on 10 February 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:
Since the dawn of time, you first must detect an enemy before you can destroy them.
You obviously don't have a military background, so let me explain. How is stealth anything 'very easily spotted'? That's what's called a misnomer. Seeing as, you know, its designed not to be detected? Is the black color throwing you off, because you know you can paint it in whatever camo you want - or leave it black and install a Barracuda MCS. It's smaller and lighter than current generation MBT's, so is very likely cheaper once in production. Do you know what an 'Active Protection' system is? It means fire all the missiles/projectiles you want at it, it shoots them down before hitting the vehicle. That's assuming of course, that the firing platform can even lock a weapon system on to it in the first place. Active Protection is here to stay, its cheap and its small. You can even mount it on something like a Hummer. The days of a man-portable system even threatening an armored vehicle will soon be over. The Israeli Trophy system (one of many being tested) has been combat proven on the Merkava (and other vehicles) for a couple of years now.
Operating at night means nothing to a modern army anymore. It hasn't for the last 40 years (unless you're a bunch of poor terrorists running around in a jungle or desert without modern equipment). In modern warfare Night=Day, Day=Night.
Edited by ORCRiST, 10 February 2015 - 02:34 PM.
#16
Posted 10 February 2015 - 06:57 PM
Obvious troll is obvious.
#17
Posted 11 February 2015 - 05:51 AM
#18
Posted 11 February 2015 - 06:08 AM
#19
Posted 11 February 2015 - 06:35 AM
Btw not trolling just saying that I don't see any cost effective reason for making this.
Another thought just occurred to me, this thing is supposed to be stealthy right? Then why is it that there is a video of this thing, especially as a concept? All of the good stealth units are designed and produced in secret. Look at the F-117, B-2, and the F-22, all made without any knowledge being shown to the public. Then there is the F-35, shown to the public, which turns out to suck compared to the F-22 the fighter it was meant to replace. See the trend? All of the good stuff is kept secret, all of the let downs are made public.
Edited by TheSilken, 11 February 2015 - 06:54 AM.
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Posted 11 February 2015 - 09:14 AM
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