Hi,
Im back after about half a year of retirement (I stopped a couple of weeks after the clans appeared and were so OP that other mechs could not cope with them).
I stopped playing because I thought that clans would not be balanced until they were available for CBills. So the people that paid for the early launch would get their money's worth with OP mechs.
Now that Clans are available, Im guessing that clans have been somewhat balanced a bit?
TL:DR
So two questions:
1- Were the clans balanced in any way since they came up?
2- What is the best clan mech to buy? I thought about Timberwolf, because is the most iconic and it was the most overpowered back then.
Opinions?
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Back After Half A Year. What Clan To Buy?
Started by KAT Ayanami, Feb 12 2015 06:27 PM
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:30 PM
IS got Quirks, and Clans got weapon nerfs so they are about equal.
Timberwolf, Stormcrow, and Direwolf are really the best Clan mechs. if you want to play CW, buy Timberwolves and Stormcrows. you really don't need any other clans than that.
Timberwolf, Stormcrow, and Direwolf are really the best Clan mechs. if you want to play CW, buy Timberwolves and Stormcrows. you really don't need any other clans than that.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:36 PM
Stormcrow is probably the most effective mech in the game right now (especially for CW). The Timberwolf is a close second, but it doesn't have the super borked hitboxes of the Stormcrow or the insane speed. Hellbringer is pretty amazing, but not out for CBills yet.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:42 PM
As they've said above, Stormcrow, Timberwolf for CW (SCR is a fantastic mech, and particularly for CW is ideal due to it's effectiveness for tonnage, Timberwolf is still a very strong mech). Direwolves are fun in random matches, but usually flat out bad in CW (far too slow). Hellbringer is a decent mech, but it has a Jesusbox pushing it to being great. Without ECM it'd be just OK. Not available for cbills yet though.
Most other clan mechs are flat out bad:
Mist Lynx: Terrible
Kitfox: Cute and somewhat useful as an ECM bubble, but terrible as far as lights go
Adder: Affectionately known as the Badder, it's basically just a very lightly armored medium. Usable, but not as a light. Good for some people, but nothing close to being "competitive"
Nova: Horrible.
Summoner: Affectionately known as the Suckoner, an apt name.
Mad Dog: Decent, usable mech, but no Stormcrow/Timberwolf.
Warhawk: Usable, but not very good. Massive side torsos, very limited space for weaponry, limited hardpoints.
Gargoyle: Ton for ton, probably the worst clan mech.
Most other clan mechs are flat out bad:
Mist Lynx: Terrible
Kitfox: Cute and somewhat useful as an ECM bubble, but terrible as far as lights go
Adder: Affectionately known as the Badder, it's basically just a very lightly armored medium. Usable, but not as a light. Good for some people, but nothing close to being "competitive"
Nova: Horrible.
Summoner: Affectionately known as the Suckoner, an apt name.
Mad Dog: Decent, usable mech, but no Stormcrow/Timberwolf.
Warhawk: Usable, but not very good. Massive side torsos, very limited space for weaponry, limited hardpoints.
Gargoyle: Ton for ton, probably the worst clan mech.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:48 PM
KAT Ayanami, on 12 February 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:
1- Were the clans balanced in any way since they came up?
Kind of, yeah. Inner Sphere mechs were given weapon bonuses (quirks) to match the firepower of Clan mechs. Clan weaponry were tuned a little bit, to make heat a big issue for Clan mechs.
Clan mechs were not balanced in the sense of making the underpowered Clan mechs (e.g. Adder and Summoner) better and overpowered Clan mechs (e.g. Stormcrow and Timber Wolf) worse. But at least there are some Inner Sphere mechs that can rival Tier 1 Clan mechs by having extreme firepower.
KAT Ayanami, on 12 February 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:
2- What is the best clan mech to buy? I thought about Timberwolf, because is the most iconic and it was the most overpowered back then.
Opinions?
Opinions?
If you want an overpowered mech, go for it. I tend to go for the underdogs, myself. But don't go too far down that road either. I would stay away from the Mist Lynx, Ice Ferret and Gargoyle, personally.
EDIT: Hellbringer is probably my favourite Clan mech. Not OP, and it offers a lot more variety than other Clan mechs. I.e. it doesn't have to be a laserboat, SRMboat or anything else. There's so much you can do with it.
Edited by Alistair Winter, 12 February 2015 - 06:50 PM.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:52 PM
Wintersdark, on 12 February 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:
As they've said above, Stormcrow, Timberwolf for CW (SCR is a fantastic mech, and particularly for CW is ideal due to it's effectiveness for tonnage, Timberwolf is still a very strong mech). Direwolves are fun in random matches, but usually flat out bad in CW (far too slow). Hellbringer is a decent mech, but it has a Jesusbox pushing it to being great. Without ECM it'd be just OK. Not available for cbills yet though.
Most other clan mechs are flat out bad:
Mist Lynx: Terrible
Kitfox: Cute and somewhat useful as an ECM bubble, but terrible as far as lights go
Adder: Affectionately known as the Badder, it's basically just a very lightly armored medium. Usable, but not as a light. Good for some people, but nothing close to being "competitive"
Nova: Horrible.
Summoner: Affectionately known as the Suckoner, an apt name.
Mad Dog: Decent, usable mech, but no Stormcrow/Timberwolf.
Warhawk: Usable, but not very good. Massive side torsos, very limited space for weaponry, limited hardpoints.
Gargoyle: Ton for ton, probably the worst clan mech.
Most other clan mechs are flat out bad:
Mist Lynx: Terrible
Kitfox: Cute and somewhat useful as an ECM bubble, but terrible as far as lights go
Adder: Affectionately known as the Badder, it's basically just a very lightly armored medium. Usable, but not as a light. Good for some people, but nothing close to being "competitive"
Nova: Horrible.
Summoner: Affectionately known as the Suckoner, an apt name.
Mad Dog: Decent, usable mech, but no Stormcrow/Timberwolf.
Warhawk: Usable, but not very good. Massive side torsos, very limited space for weaponry, limited hardpoints.
Gargoyle: Ton for ton, probably the worst clan mech.
Ice Ferret is so forgettable that you didn't even list it....
I actually love my Ice Ferret, but I'm one of the few. It isn't nearly as effective as a Stormcrow.
I have to disagree on the Gargoyle being ton for ton the worst. I think that's probably the Summoner right now, as the Gargoyle has enough hardpoints to mount some very threatening builds. It just has very awkward weapon placement. However, in a deathball it makes an amazing frontline because it can keep up with the Clan heavies, has a bit more armor, and Nova-like ERSL/SPL builds. In CW the Gargoyle is actually OK for pushes - it just means you aren't taking 3 Stormcrows as backup and THAT is why the Timberwolf is insane in CW.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:56 PM
Wintersdark, on 12 February 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:
As they've said above, Stormcrow, Timberwolf for CW (SCR is a fantastic mech, and particularly for CW is ideal due to it's effectiveness for tonnage, Timberwolf is still a very strong mech). Direwolves are fun in random matches, but usually flat out bad in CW (far too slow). Hellbringer is a decent mech, but it has a Jesusbox pushing it to being great. Without ECM it'd be just OK. Not available for cbills yet though.
Most other clan mechs are flat out bad:
Mist Lynx: Terrible
Kitfox: Cute and somewhat useful as an ECM bubble, but terrible as far as lights go
Adder: Affectionately known as the Badder, it's basically just a very lightly armored medium. Usable, but not as a light. Good for some people, but nothing close to being "competitive"
Nova: Horrible.
Summoner: Affectionately known as the Suckoner, an apt name.
Mad Dog: Decent, usable mech, but no Stormcrow/Timberwolf.
Warhawk: Usable, but not very good. Massive side torsos, very limited space for weaponry, limited hardpoints.
Gargoyle: Ton for ton, probably the worst clan mech.
Most other clan mechs are flat out bad:
Mist Lynx: Terrible
Kitfox: Cute and somewhat useful as an ECM bubble, but terrible as far as lights go
Adder: Affectionately known as the Badder, it's basically just a very lightly armored medium. Usable, but not as a light. Good for some people, but nothing close to being "competitive"
Nova: Horrible.
Summoner: Affectionately known as the Suckoner, an apt name.
Mad Dog: Decent, usable mech, but no Stormcrow/Timberwolf.
Warhawk: Usable, but not very good. Massive side torsos, very limited space for weaponry, limited hardpoints.
Gargoyle: Ton for ton, probably the worst clan mech.
The Adder is the most adorable mech!
and the Gargoyle is beautiful like an M1 tank is!
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:59 PM
To be fair, I wasn't talking about appearances at all.
It IS a cute mech 
I actually really like Adders, but they're certainly not competitive mechs.
But it's still a terrible mech. Terrible.
Brody319, on 12 February 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:
The Adder is the most adorable mech!
I actually really like Adders, but they're certainly not competitive mechs. Quote
and the Gargoyle is beautiful like an M1 tank is!
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:00 PM
Wintersdark, on 12 February 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:
To be fair, I wasn't talking about appearances at all.
It IS a cute mech I actually really like Adders, but they're certainly not competitive mechs.
But it's still a terrible mech. Terrible.
It IS a cute mech
I actually really like Adders, but they're certainly not competitive mechs.But it's still a terrible mech. Terrible.
you said the kitfox was cute.
but yea the gargoyle isn't the best, but I love it.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:08 PM
Fate 6, on 12 February 2015 - 06:52 PM, said:
Ice Ferret is so forgettable that you didn't even list it....
I actually love my Ice Ferret, but I'm one of the few. It isn't nearly as effective as a Stormcrow.
I actually love my Ice Ferret, but I'm one of the few. It isn't nearly as effective as a Stormcrow.
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I have to disagree on the Gargoyle being ton for ton the worst. I think that's probably the Summoner right now, as the Gargoyle has enough hardpoints to mount some very threatening builds. It just has very awkward weapon placement. However, in a deathball it makes an amazing frontline because it can keep up with the Clan heavies, has a bit more armor, and Nova-like ERSL/SPL builds. In CW the Gargoyle is actually OK for pushes - it just means you aren't taking 3 Stormcrows as backup and THAT is why the Timberwolf is insane in CW.
The problem with the Gargoyle, though?
In non-CW matches: It's pretty bad, basically an up-armored but terribly slow (and imporantly) extremely clumsy mech that's easily stopped by minor inclines and pebbles. It's weapon options may seem threatening, but can be mirrored on many other mechs much more effectively. The speed in non-CW matches is much less relevant.
In CW, though? It's got essentailly the same armor a Timberwolf has, but worse hitboxes (though the gargoyle's hitboxes aren't bad). It pays out the nose for it's speed, with 33.5 tons being devoted to an XL400 engine allowing it to keep the pace with a Timberwolf spending 26.5. Note that the gargoyle pays 7 tons to move at the same speed, but is only 5 tons heavier.
The gargoyle has neither Endosteel nor FF, losing another ~5 tons.
It's an awful mech. Really bad.
And worse, the opportunity cost: Taking a Gargoyle in your drop deck is taking a Timberwolf slot, and taking ANOTHER 5 tons from somewhere else...and that other 5t hurts a LOT, given how bad everything below the SCR is.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:15 PM
Wintersdark, on 12 February 2015 - 07:08 PM, said:
Hah! Right, I did forget about the Ice Ferret. It is indeed forgettable.
It's definitely up for debate.
The problem with the Gargoyle, though?
In non-CW matches: It's pretty bad, basically an up-armored but terribly slow (and imporantly) extremely clumsy mech that's easily stopped by minor inclines and pebbles. It's weapon options may seem threatening, but can be mirrored on many other mechs much more effectively. The speed in non-CW matches is much less relevant.
In CW, though? It's got essentailly the same armor a Timberwolf has, but worse hitboxes (though the gargoyle's hitboxes aren't bad). It pays out the nose for it's speed, with 33.5 tons being devoted to an XL400 engine allowing it to keep the pace with a Timberwolf spending 26.5. Note that the gargoyle pays 7 tons to move at the same speed, but is only 5 tons heavier.
The gargoyle has neither Endosteel nor FF, losing another ~5 tons.
It's an awful mech. Really bad.
And worse, the opportunity cost: Taking a Gargoyle in your drop deck is taking a Timberwolf slot, and taking ANOTHER 5 tons from somewhere else...and that other 5t hurts a LOT, given how bad everything below the SCR is.
It's definitely up for debate.
The problem with the Gargoyle, though?
In non-CW matches: It's pretty bad, basically an up-armored but terribly slow (and imporantly) extremely clumsy mech that's easily stopped by minor inclines and pebbles. It's weapon options may seem threatening, but can be mirrored on many other mechs much more effectively. The speed in non-CW matches is much less relevant.
In CW, though? It's got essentailly the same armor a Timberwolf has, but worse hitboxes (though the gargoyle's hitboxes aren't bad). It pays out the nose for it's speed, with 33.5 tons being devoted to an XL400 engine allowing it to keep the pace with a Timberwolf spending 26.5. Note that the gargoyle pays 7 tons to move at the same speed, but is only 5 tons heavier.
The gargoyle has neither Endosteel nor FF, losing another ~5 tons.
It's an awful mech. Really bad.
And worse, the opportunity cost: Taking a Gargoyle in your drop deck is taking a Timberwolf slot, and taking ANOTHER 5 tons from somewhere else...and that other 5t hurts a LOT, given how bad everything below the SCR is.
I agree it has a slew of problems. Still, considering you do in fact have more armor than a Timberwolf and you can mount basically the same build as a Nova (new Gargoyle arm pod is actually insane) but have the armor to do what the Nova can't, I have a hard time calling the Gargoyle awful. It's actually one of the best brawler mechs in the entire game, actually better than the Timberwolf,, because ERSL/SPL boating is nuts and the Gargoyle has the twisting and hitboxes and armor to make it work (plus mostly arm mounted weapons).
Maybe ton-for-ton it isn't efficient at all, but in terms of having a use it actually has an extremely good one, it just goes overlooked. If you think a Timberwolf can brawl against a Gargoyle I would love to prove you wrong sometime.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:15 PM
KAT Ayanami, on 12 February 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:
Hi,
Im back after about half a year of retirement (I stopped a couple of weeks after the clans appeared and were so OP that other mechs could not cope with them).
I stopped playing because I thought that clans would not be balanced until they were available for CBills. So the people that paid for the early launch would get their money's worth with OP mechs.
Now that Clans are available, Im guessing that clans have been somewhat balanced a bit?
TL:DR
So two questions:
1- Were the clans balanced in any way since they came up?
2- What is the best clan mech to buy? I thought about Timberwolf, because is the most iconic and it was the most overpowered back then.
Opinions?
Im back after about half a year of retirement (I stopped a couple of weeks after the clans appeared and were so OP that other mechs could not cope with them).
I stopped playing because I thought that clans would not be balanced until they were available for CBills. So the people that paid for the early launch would get their money's worth with OP mechs.
Now that Clans are available, Im guessing that clans have been somewhat balanced a bit?
TL:DR
So two questions:
1- Were the clans balanced in any way since they came up?
2- What is the best clan mech to buy? I thought about Timberwolf, because is the most iconic and it was the most overpowered back then.
Opinions?
If I could I'd sell you my Storm Crows, for the low, low cost of all of your IS normal lasers and Auto Cannons...
All joking aside, I'm probably the only person in MWO that can't pilot a Storm Crow to save their life.... But give me a Locust, and I'm a terror....
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:18 PM
Metus regem, on 12 February 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:
If I could I'd sell you my Storm Crows, for the low, low cost of all of your IS normal lasers and Auto Cannons...
All joking aside, I'm probably the only person in MWO that can't pilot a Storm Crow to save their life.... But give me a Locust, and I'm a terror....
All joking aside, I'm probably the only person in MWO that can't pilot a Storm Crow to save their life.... But give me a Locust, and I'm a terror....
I can't stand the Stormcrow. No matter what builds, it just hates me. I prefer my "bad clan mechs"
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:19 PM
Metus regem, on 12 February 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:
If I could I'd sell you my Storm Crows, for the low, low cost of all of your IS normal lasers and Auto Cannons...
All joking aside, I'm probably the only person in MWO that can't pilot a Storm Crow to save their life.... But give me a Locust, and I'm a terror....
All joking aside, I'm probably the only person in MWO that can't pilot a Storm Crow to save their life.... But give me a Locust, and I'm a terror....
You'd probably enjoy an Ice Ferret immensely if you like the Locust. It plays very similarly, but has clan weapons instead of IS ones. It can also take a surprising amount of hits without going down.
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:21 PM
Brody319, on 12 February 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:
I can't stand the Stormcrow. No matter what builds, it just hates me. I prefer my "bad clan mechs"
Holy hell! There are two of us!
Fate 6, on 12 February 2015 - 07:19 PM, said:
You'd probably enjoy an Ice Ferret immensely if you like the Locust. It plays very similarly, but has clan weapons instead of IS ones. It can also take a surprising amount of hits without going down.
Yea I did a couple of group drops with some guys from CGBI we had a lace with 3 Ice Ferrets and my Locust 1V, we did bad things to the other team...
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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:39 PM
Direwolf
Best assault in the game forever and assault queue is lower than heavy queue.
Timberwolf
Best heavy in the game forever but Heavy mech wait in solo queue is longest.
Stormcrow
Best medium in the game forever and medium queue isn't too horribly long
Hellbringer
ECM Heavy not out for cBills yet. Recommend getting the pack so you get the 3 warhorns and paint.
Best assault in the game forever and assault queue is lower than heavy queue.
Timberwolf
Best heavy in the game forever but Heavy mech wait in solo queue is longest.
Stormcrow
Best medium in the game forever and medium queue isn't too horribly long
Hellbringer
ECM Heavy not out for cBills yet. Recommend getting the pack so you get the 3 warhorns and paint.
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Posted 13 February 2015 - 08:08 AM
Thanks for all the answers. I will try the trial stormcrows and timberwolfs and see which one suits my needs better in terms of chassis.
I would love to own more clan mechs, but Cbills take some time. So one by one.
To be honest, I was expecting flames and trolls.
I guess either the community has improved a lot.
Thanks
I would love to own more clan mechs, but Cbills take some time. So one by one.
To be honest, I was expecting flames and trolls.
I guess either the community has improved a lot.
Thanks
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Posted 13 February 2015 - 08:18 AM
All I can say... I know the Gargoyle sucks, but man it is a guilty pleasure.
Frankly, it's the only Clan Assault that I'd much rather be taking (haven't grinded out the Dire Wolf yet, and I'm in the process of grinding the Warhawk).
Wubgoyle can wub.
Frankly, it's the only Clan Assault that I'd much rather be taking (haven't grinded out the Dire Wolf yet, and I'm in the process of grinding the Warhawk).
Wubgoyle can wub.
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Posted 13 February 2015 - 08:31 AM
yeha, TBR and SCR. all you need to own the world.
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Posted 13 February 2015 - 08:33 AM
- No.
- Stormcrow, Timberwolf, Hellbringer.
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