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[Felio]

The answer is no, because it weighs 2 tons more than the XL 395. But I bought it a long time ago, and I'd really like to find a way for it to be more than cripplingly bad.

[luigi256]

Battlemaster and Prettybaby/Dragonslayer can use it. I can't think of anything else noteworthy to use with the engine.

A boars head can but I would not recommend it.

Did you buy it or get it with the Boars Head?

Edit: Pretty Baby is an Awesome, Dragonslayer is a Victor, and Boars Head is an Atlas

Edited by luigi256, 13 February 2015 - 12:14 PM.

[Dawnstealer]

luigi256, on 13 February 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

Battlemaster and Prettybaby/Dragonslayer can use it. I can't think of anything else noteworthy to use with the engine.

A boars head can but I would not recommend it.

That's pretty much it. Pretty nice in a BLR. Cuts too much into the DS's firepower, but does make it SUPER-mobile.

[luigi256]

I run this battlemaster that uses an XL 400. It might work for you too

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0689bd8a86faf5e

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Wubshee/Wubmaster/Pretty Baby

Other than that,NO

[Jody Von Jedi]

Boat anchor?

[Jorunn]

The Banshee BNC-3M is probably the very best mech for a 400XL as they are extremely survivable with XL engines due to their small side torsos and huge 64 armor shield arms protecting the engine as well as all the weapon hardpoints. Atlas's often get those arms blown off while Banshee's keep killing after losing arms. Here is one version I used to run with 5x ERLL, 2x MPLs.

I did reduce to a 380XL Wubanshee 4x LPL, 4x MPL for more firepower and have been very happy with the speed and maneuverability but doesn't feel as nimble as that 400XL... I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable members can explain the extra performance it gives you.

[Escef]

400XLs absolutely rock in the Battlemaster. An energy boat doing 83.9 kph with over 500 armor makes for a surprisingly effective super-heavy skirmisher, and it is more fun to play than it has any right to be.

I've also heard good things about the Banshee rigged up similarly (not sure if the extra armor is worth the speed hit from the extra 10 tons of mass it has over the BLR).

Also, this post is strange. Asks a question as the topic, and first post answers it in absolute terms. If you can't justify it, don't do it.

[That Dawg]

Jorunn, on 13 February 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

The Banshee BNC-3M is probably the very best mech for a 400XL as they are extremely survivable with XL engines due to their small side torsos and huge 64 armor shield arms protecting the engine as well as all the weapon hardpoints.

dingding

That. It an amazing insanely hot, insanely powerful build...all with a "never put an xl in an assault build"

I can only imagine the horror on the face of the LRM guy sitting behind friendly lines all smug and stuff.... thinking he's safe and his couple of mediums or couple of streaks will save him from any lights

...when


...suddenly

...a 75 KPH assault with a doable metal melting alpha, twice the armor, and same speed as a medium comes a knocking.

I have a blast in mine, rarely run it honestly, clans are still "better" but when I took it to CW? whoa, often lived the whole half hour

[InspectorG]

That Dawg, on 14 February 2015 - 07:21 AM, said:

dingding

That. It an amazing insanely hot, insanely powerful build...all with a "never put an xl in an assault build"

I can only imagine the horror on the face of the LRM guy sitting behind friendly lines all smug and stuff.... thinking he's safe and his couple of mediums or couple of streaks will save him from any lights

...when


...suddenly

...a 75 KPH assault with a doable metal melting alpha, twice the armor, and same speed as a medium comes a knocking.

I have a blast in mine, rarely run it honestly, clans are still "better" but when I took it to CW? whoa, often lived the whole half hour

Plus the engine heat sinks and the quick torso twist.

Im currently trying STD engine Wubshee but, they feel so slow and unresponsive.

[Jorunn]

That Dawg, on 14 February 2015 - 07:21 AM, said:

I have a blast in mine, rarely run it honestly, clans are still "better" but when I took it to CW? whoa, often lived the whole half hour

Hey Dawg, what Clanner are you finding you like better than the Banshee? I did have a lot of fun in my Timbers but then went back to my Wubanshee. The Dire seems just too slow so I haven't bought them. I got a Warhawk but only one so haven't mastered them up to full potential? One thing I don't like about the Clanners is that so much of the weapons are in the arms and less survivable than the torso mounted Banshee. I've been down to 27% life surviving a match and still had all but one of my weapons with me.

[Jorunn]

InspectorG, on 14 February 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

Plus the engine heat sinks and the quick torso twist.

Im currently trying STD engine Wubshee but, they feel so slow and unresponsive.

I prefer XL engines for all the Banshee builds except the BNC-3M where you need the slots for the heavy ballistic loadout. You need that extra tonnage for all those energy weapons and armor. I have a STD350 in both my 3x AC5 and 2x LB 10X builds and the 65.7 Kph does feel a little slower and less nimble but they hit hard.

[RedEagle86]

When the Phoenix package came out I tore it up with this build:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4019563d2eea073

Now, with the reduction of ghost heat for the LL's, my 'Inner Sphere Supernova' can use the XL 400 too:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...bdf360a91f63221

(original build: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6d24e17587fd386)

[DONTOR]

Felio, on 13 February 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

The answer is no, because it weighs 2 tons more than the XL 395. But I bought it a long time ago, and I'd really like to find a way for it to be more than cripplingly bad.

Banshee La malinche, can rock it.

Victor DS, has some great builds that can use it.

Awesome PB XL400 is a must for me.

Battle masters can all use it but honestly I really like the XL390 and 3.5 tons saved instead of 2 KPH...

If you want to go fast in a Atlas Boars Head you might as well XL400

Its ok in other Banshee's aswell but I change between an XL 380-XL400 depending on the build.

[Basskicker]

As others have said. The BNC-3M is a hilariously fun mech to run with a 400xl. 75kph, 95 ton mech, and a 64pt alpha, soooo many lolz in this mech.

Lately Ive been running a big STD in it for CW, but for the PUG queue I don't think you can beat the 3M in a straight up fight.

Edited by Basskicker, 16 February 2015 - 01:53 PM.

[Tarogato]

In my personal opinion... the XL400 is useless.

Starting with the XL360 as base (using the Banshee as an example), here's what you get every time you go up one engine rating.

XL360 23.5tons, 67.5kph, 4 Heatsink slots
XL365 +1.0 ton, +1.0kph
XL370 +1.0 ton, +0.9kph
XL375 +1.0 ton, +0.9kph +1 Heatsink
XL380 +1.0 ton, +1.0kph
XL385 +1.5 ton, +0.9kph
XL390 +1.0 ton, +1.0kph
XL395 +1.5 ton, +0.9kph
XL400 +2.0 ton, +0.9kph +1 Heatsink

The sweet spot is XL380, because after that you have to spend an extra half ton to get the same negligible increase in speed. The XL395 wastes a half ton as well, and the XL400 wastes a full ton. That's two tons gone completely to waste by the time you've gone up to 400 and all you get for it is an extra slot for a heatsink. Or net 6 tons for 3.7kph net gain. Not worth it, imo. Compare that to the difference between the X360 and XL380, which is 4 tons for a 3.8kph gain.

Edited by Tarogato, 16 February 2015 - 02:08 PM.

[DONTOR]

Tarogato, on 16 February 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

In my personal opinion... the XL400 is useless.

Starting with the XL360 as base (using the Banshee as an example), here's what you get every time you go up one engine rating.

XL360 23.5tons, 67.5kph, 4 Heatsink slots
XL365 +1.0 ton, +1.0kph
XL370 +1.0 ton, +0.9kph
XL375 +1.0 ton, +0.9kph +1 Heatsink
XL380 +1.0 ton, +1.0kph
XL385 +1.5 ton, +0.9kph
XL390 +1.0 ton, +1.0kph
XL395 +1.5 ton, +0.9kph
XL400 +2.0 ton, +0.9kph +1 Heatsink

The sweet spot is XL380, because after that you have to spend an extra half ton to get the same negligible increase in speed. The XL395 wastes a half ton as well, and the XL400 wastes a full ton. That's two tons gone completely to waste by the time you've gone up to 400 and all you get for it is an extra slot for a heatsink. Or net 6 tons for 3.7kph net gain. Not worth it, imo. Compare that to the difference between the X360 and XL380, which is 4 tons for a 3.8kph gain.

That is a good chart, but the 400XL is not useless, sometimes you just have a build that has tonnage to spare but no crits and needs that extra DHS (AWS-PB comes to mind). BNC-LA is also very compatible.

[Tarogato]

DONTOR, on 16 February 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

That is a good chart, but the 400XL is not useless, sometimes you just have a build that has tonnage to spare but no crits and needs that extra DHS (AWS-PB comes to mind). BNC-LA is also very compatible.

That's fair, and I was going to note the exception, but I never got around to editing it in. ^^; I imagine there's also probably one BNC-3M or BLR build that could use it effectively to increase optimisation as well, just because of that extra heatsink slot. But the fact of the matter is, it's not a versatile engine to buy, you have to want it for that one specific build for it to be worth it. You have to ... know what you're doing.

Now let's talk about XL400 Trebuchets and Centurions...

Edited by Tarogato, 16 February 2015 - 03:01 PM.

[DONTOR]

Tarogato, on 16 February 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

Now let's talk about XL400 Trebuchets and Centurions...

You mean XL 390, and thats the only way I run the 3C, and Cent-D, entire lances of lights have fallen to those two mechs, 2 streaks and 4 MLs on the treb, and a little less viable 2 MGs 2 Streaks and 2 MLs on the D. Most fun mechs in the entire game.

[627]

In my opinion, everyon should have used an XL400 once in his MWO life.

I have it in my wubmaster currently, 6xMPL, 1xLPL and lots of heatsinks. Sure you could take a smaller engine but where's the fun in that?

And in the end it doesn't really matter:

BLR-1G
XL400, 22 DHS 592 Armor, 83,9 kph (endo)

BLR-1G
XL385, 23DHS, 496 Armor, 80,7 kph (no endo)

So you get a bit slower and have one more heatsink and don't have to pay for endo. Going lower and you end up with free tonnage you can't use anymore (for this build of course).