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[Joseph Mallan]

Brody319, on 16 February 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

I just highly suggest playing Solo drops and not CW since it will a match people with your skill level so you can have a fair fight.

but if you wanna play CW, I got not problem if you bring trials. but a lot of trials are based on an old meta and thus are really bad now. The Stalker for example has an XL, but the stalker has giant side torsos and will die fast.

Just be careful with the trials you pilot.

If its a fair fight I'm not fighting well enough.

The MM in PUG is no better than in CW. I don't wish to imply that I don't like the MM, But many players don't understand attrition and it's effect in game.

[El Bandito]

New players bringing trial mechs to CW matches is just like fresh lvl 30 players participating in a ranked match without runes or masteries, in League of Legends.

In others words--DON'T DO IT!

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 17 February 2015 - 02:10 AM, said:

New players bringing trial mechs to CW matches is just like fresh lvl 30 players participating in a ranked match without runes or masteries, in League of Legends.

In others words--DON'T DO IT!

Or be willing to accept the results.

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 February 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:

Or be willing to accept the results.

No, that's not gonna cut it. He is not only lowering his own chance of victory, he is dragging 11 other people down.

I would dodge a match, if a teammate of mine confessed that he does not have any runes or masteries in his champion, in LoL ranked game.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 February 2015 - 02:18 AM.

[Lily from animove]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

To: Entitled ********

If you have a ****** attitude toward people who are new to the game, expect to drive those players away.

Yeah, I'm going to bring trial 'Mechs to Clan Warfare. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I've been on winning teams and contributed decently. You don't like it because we lose to an entire 12-man? Don't blame it on the "pubbers" who bring trial 'Mechs without ECMs - perhaps YOU should have brought the ECMs. Better yet, maybe you should realize that in a pug against a cohesive 12-man unit, we're likely going to get stomped regardless.

I know it's hard for you to think outside your own, self-centered little world, but you know being a good sport and - dog forbid, NICE to someone else - doesn't have to go hand-in-hand with winning, right? You know that, right?

But hey, if you want to keep people from supporting MWO and turning this game into an even tougher sell than it already is, by all means, keep being {Richard Cameron} (I have no idea who Richard Cameron is, but I'm sure the forum had a good reason for autocorrecting whatever word was there to that). That'll work nicely.

Please note: If this doesn't apply to you as an MWO Vet, then I'm obviously not talking about you; I've certainly run across a few helpful, decent human beings here. However, there seem to be an inordinate number of clownshoes running around, so if this does apply to you, then by all means, take it to heart.

Well, question: why do you go to CW? as a new alyer I would anways suggest you not to go there.

why? you die quick and mostly without much effect. Especially rewards are rather bad in CW comapred to non CW.

You should play solo queue, get used to one mech first and the entire game mechanics. Solo queue makes money income faster and easier, so there you would have more advantages of everything. fater money, fatsr match frequency (which makes getting used to the game faster)

It took me around 200 games to get decent, and so I don't think CW where everything on top has its own rules of success is the place where you should go.

Go to the solo queue and play there, where elo is in effect and will at leats give you some more suitable opponents. Where youc an retry fatster when you fail, where you get more rewards to outfit your mechs. Otherwise you are going to spend a lot more time for this all in CW, and this will just be in inefficient way to gettin used to the game.

Trial mechs are often not good ones at all, unless thy are champion variants.

if you are used to bsic mechanics, group up with a unit or some friends you made and they will mostlikely help you getting deeper into the mechanics, which then makes thing a lot easier if you understand them and can execute them. But without any basic knowledge you will just be overhelmed with things you may not understand.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 17 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

No, that's not gonna cut it. He is not only lowering his own chance of victory, he is dragging 11 other people down.

I would dodge a match, if a teammate of mine confessed that he does not have any runes or masteries in his champion, in LoL.

I disagree. 11 other players should be able to cover the weakness of the newb. It is a team game I assume.

[Widowmaker1981]

While I am not the kind of player who will say anything about it in chat during a game, with all due respect if you are bringing 4 trials to CW you should be playing the normal public queue until you have enough money to own at least some of the mechs. It is not just the loadouts, but the efficiencies – trial mechs have no unlocks which means they will overheat incredibly fast, and be slow and unresponsive.

It’s one thing to, for example, get 3 Stormcrows and level them up and bring them to CW with 1 trial Timberwolf while you save money to buy it, that way most of your mechs are efficient and it’s just one mech that’s gimp (which you might not even have to use). It’s quite another to sabotage your team with 4 semi useless mechs.

[Yosharian]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

To: Entitled ********

If you have a ****** attitude toward people who are new to the game, expect to drive those players away.

Yeah, I'm going to bring trial 'Mechs to Clan Warfare. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I've been on winning teams and contributed decently. You don't like it because we lose to an entire 12-man? Don't blame it on the "pubbers" who bring trial 'Mechs without ECMs - perhaps YOU should have brought the ECMs. Better yet, maybe you should realize that in a pug against a cohesive 12-man unit, we're likely going to get stomped regardless.

I know it's hard for you to think outside your own, self-centered little world, but you know being a good sport and - dog forbid, NICE to someone else - doesn't have to go hand-in-hand with winning, right? You know that, right?

But hey, if you want to keep people from supporting MWO and turning this game into an even tougher sell than it already is, by all means, keep being {Richard Cameron} (I have no idea who Richard Cameron is, but I'm sure the forum had a good reason for autocorrecting whatever word was there to that). That'll work nicely.

Please note: If this doesn't apply to you as an MWO Vet, then I'm obviously not talking about you; I've certainly run across a few helpful, decent human beings here. However, there seem to be an inordinate number of clownshoes running around, so if this does apply to you, then by all means, take it to heart.

Except you're not being forced to play CW...

CW is supposed to be a hardcore game mode. It's a war over 'real' (not real but you get my point) territory. You shouldn't bring weak or clowny mechs to such a game mode in my opinion. It's not breaking any rules of course, but I feel it's selfish.

[Lily from animove]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 February 2015 - 02:19 AM, said:

I disagree. 11 other players should be able to cover the weakness of the newb. It is a team game I assume.

depending on that newbie thats a disadvantage of 8,33 % meaning a lot in a hardcore mode.

[Weeny Machine]

About this topic:

1. this just shows that PuG CW matches should be implemented in form of a seperate queue or you will generate situations like that.
From a business pov I wonder as well why a hardcore mode for the minority was built when they want to go to steam. This will not only cause bad blood as seen in this thread but also won't do anything to keep new customers /shrug

2. @OP: Should they insult or "flame" you that way? Nope, surly not. Are they right to criticize you? Yes, I think so. It is like going to a formula one race with a Fiat Uno. It wouldn't matter if it were only affecting you, however, in this case the overall performance of the team is affected.

Edited by Bush Hopper, 17 February 2015 - 02:55 AM.

[Kilo 40]

Yosharian, on 17 February 2015 - 02:46 AM, said:

Except you're not being forced to play CW...

CW is supposed to be a hardcore game mode. It's a war over 'real' (not real but you get my point) territory. You shouldn't bring weak or clowny mechs to such a game mode in my opinion. It's not breaking any rules of course, but I feel it's selfish.

Those weak or clowny mechs is all he is able to use right now. and even if they weren't, that's irrelevant. The topic is about rude players in game.

The OP is spot on. when people start berating new players like that, it just hurts the game.

[Lily from animove]

Widowmaker1981, on 17 February 2015 - 02:32 AM, said:

While I am not the kind of player who will say anything about it in chat during a game, with all due respect if you are bringing 4 trials to CW you should be playing the normal public queue until you have enough money to own at least some of the mechs. It is not just the loadouts, but the efficiencies – trial mechs have no unlocks which means they will overheat incredibly fast, and be slow and unresponsive.

It’s one thing to, for example, get 3 Stormcrows and level them up and bring them to CW with 1 trial Timberwolf while you save money to buy it, that way most of your mechs are efficient and it’s just one mech that’s gimp (which you might not even have to use). It’s quite another to sabotage your team with 4 semi useless mechs.

actually, he should get 2 non prime crows, then he can use the SCR primetrial , TBR prime trial and the 2 owned SCR's in CW.
until he racks up enough money for the SCR prime, he also can collect Xp for the prime crow and the other two. once he got the money for the primecrow he can then level all 3 upwards. with the already gathered XP for all 3 chassis. After this he can even drop in 4 mastered SCR's if he is using the tiral prime and the 3 owned ones.

The issue is, he is IS, and IS trials unless champions are just very inferior because the stock variants are far from optimised.

Edited by Lily from animove, 17 February 2015 - 03:02 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Kilo 40, on 17 February 2015 - 02:55 AM, said:

Those weak or clowny mechs is all he is able to use right now. and even if they weren't, that's irrelevant. The topic is about rude players in game.

The OP is spot on. when people start berating new players like that, it just hurts the game.

You're right, people shouldn't be abusive in game, at that point he is in the game and nothing anyone can do, including him, will change that (other than disconnecting, which obviously doesn't help). I will never call someone out in chat, i don't see the point. but you can bet ill be bitching about it in teamspeak, much like when i spectate that 100% LRM atlas thats the last one alive on my team, lobbing missiles happily into a wall.

Lily from animove, on 17 February 2015 - 02:59 AM, said:

actually, he should get 2 non prime crows, then he can use the SCR primetrial , TBR prime trial and the 2 owned SCR's in CW.
until he racks up enough money for the SCR prime, he also can collect Xp for the prime crow and the other two. once he got the money for the primecrow he can then level all 3 upwards. with the already gathered XP for all 3 chassis. After this he can even drop in 4 mastered SCR's if he is using the tiral prime and the 3 owned ones.

The trial is not mastered, as far as i know, even if the player has all the unlocks on his own SCR-PRIME, the trial will still run as if no basics unlocked. I think.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I would stick to the solo queue for a little while. The solo queue is a bit more laid back with quirkier builds and more people playing to have fun. Yes, the solo queue has it's jerks and the such, but it is generally a more fun place to play (especially when your new).

Community Warfare is filled with more "serious" players that seem less tolerant of less experienced players and non-meta builds.

Thats why I tend to avoid it for now. I feel solo queue is a bit more fun.

[Kilo 40]

Lily from animove, on 17 February 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

depending on that newbie thats a disadvantage of 8,33 % meaning a lot in a hardcore mode.

I like how it goes from "IT'S HARDCORE MODE NEWB!!! SUCK IT UP AND DEAL!!!! THIS IS FOR THE BIG BOYS!!!!"

to

"but....it's hardcore mode, and that puts us at an 8% disadvantage. That's not fair..."

[Lily from animove]

Kilo 40, on 17 February 2015 - 03:05 AM, said:

I like how it goes from "IT'S HARDCORE MODE NEWB!!! SUCK IT UP AND DEAL!!!! THIS IS FOR THE BIG BOYS!!!!"

to

"but....it's hardcore mode, and that puts us at an 8% disadvantage. That's not fair..."

itr's not about fair, it is hardcore mode and every bit of difference is a very deciding factor, and so one of 11 palyers is just a lot.

thats like making a olympic sprint event and subtracting 8% of the time of a single player and see the result, it will be very like affecting a lot.

Edited by Lily from animove, 17 February 2015 - 03:46 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Kilo 40, on 17 February 2015 - 03:05 AM, said:

I like how it goes from "IT'S HARDCORE MODE NEWB!!! SUCK IT UP AND DEAL!!!! THIS IS FOR THE BIG BOYS!!!!"

to

"but....it's hardcore mode, and that puts us at an 8% disadvantage. That's not fair..."

That's right Kilo!

CW is serious business, it isn't about having fun or experimenting with new builds. Its about running the most effective meta that gives you that 3% extra effectiveness in combat over something else.

CW players have no time for new players looking for a deeper experience to play and try. They are a liability to the high stakes game of planetary control in some game mode, in beta, that really doesn't mean anything (and will probably get reset when it goes live). The stakes are huge!

[Lead Sponge]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

To: Entitled ********

If you have a ****** attitude toward people who are new to the game, expect to drive those players away.

Yeah, I'm going to bring trial 'Mechs to Clan Warfare. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I've been on winning teams and contributed decently. You don't like it because we lose to an entire 12-man? Don't blame it on the "pubbers" who bring trial 'Mechs without ECMs - perhaps YOU should have brought the ECMs. Better yet, maybe you should realize that in a pug against a cohesive 12-man unit, we're likely going to get stomped regardless.

I know it's hard for you to think outside your own, self-centered little world, but you know being a good sport and - dog forbid, NICE to someone else - doesn't have to go hand-in-hand with winning, right? You know that, right?

But hey, if you want to keep people from supporting MWO and turning this game into an even tougher sell than it already is, by all means, keep being {Richard Cameron} (I have no idea who Richard Cameron is, but I'm sure the forum had a good reason for autocorrecting whatever word was there to that). That'll work nicely.

Please note: If this doesn't apply to you as an MWO Vet, then I'm obviously not talking about you; I've certainly run across a few helpful, decent human beings here. However, there seem to be an inordinate number of clownshoes running around, so if this does apply to you, then by all means, take it to heart.

While your tone could be a bit better, I completely understand where you are coming from. You're frustrated. I often am too.

I find people take things way to seriously, and should just remember this is a game. It's not a big deal if you lose. It's not a real thing. I really feel like all the people who complain are like the kids who flipped the Risk board when they started to lose.

Something people should really look at is how they handle things in the game. People need to remember that you've got 12 random people. If you just try to be constructive, you'll get a lot out of it. Dropping "moron team" and "crappy team" in the chat is just makes you a terrible team mate. You're really the problem for the team, not the inexperienced players.



Be construtive and proactive. Teach the new players. Take command. Drop locations on the map. It doens't matter where they're playing, either pick-up solo games or CW. It's a game. People want to play. Help them. The golden rule of playing with people you don't know is, "Don't be a ****."

They're doing you the favor of spending their valuable time to play a game with you. There are plenty of games out there, and anyone who's a jerk in a pick-up game should be thankful there's someone else playing with you.

Remember... it's just a game.

[Kiiyor]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

To: Entitled ********

If you have a ****** attitude toward people who are new to the game, expect to drive those players away.

Yeah, I'm going to bring trial 'Mechs to Clan Warfare. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I've been on winning teams and contributed decently. You don't like it because we lose to an entire 12-man? Don't blame it on the "pubbers" who bring trial 'Mechs without ECMs - perhaps YOU should have brought the ECMs. Better yet, maybe you should realize that in a pug against a cohesive 12-man unit, we're likely going to get stomped regardless.

I know it's hard for you to think outside your own, self-centered little world, but you know being a good sport and - dog forbid, NICE to someone else - doesn't have to go hand-in-hand with winning, right? You know that, right?

But hey, if you want to keep people from supporting MWO and turning this game into an even tougher sell than it already is, by all means, keep being {Richard Cameron} (I have no idea who Richard Cameron is, but I'm sure the forum had a good reason for autocorrecting whatever word was there to that). That'll work nicely.

Please note: If this doesn't apply to you as an MWO Vet, then I'm obviously not talking about you; I've certainly run across a few helpful, decent human beings here. However, there seem to be an inordinate number of clownshoes running around, so if this does apply to you, then by all means, take it to heart.

Don't let it get you down. You can usually guess at someone's level of entitlement by the whiny rants they make at the end of a loss - because if there is something every "pro" knows, it's that losses are never their fault.

I think in general, the game population here has an excellent sense of decorum and sportsmanship, but out of every other match there is one tool bag that drags everyone else down. Unfortunately, it's these players that often leave the most indelible impression. I promise the other 99% of the community aren't as... crap... as the loud ones.

Best results; distance yourself, play the way you want to, marvel at the insignificant things that people take such offence to, and know that you're more stable than them.

[Karl Marlow]

NextGame, on 17 February 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

Personally, I think we are getting to the point of the game where it would be best to start new players with a handful of mechs that they own as default. Like maybe 4 trebuchets, or 4 dragons, or something else that no one actually runs.

Except there is a reason "nobody" runs those mechs... They can work but they are specialist mechs at best.

El Bandito, on 17 February 2015 - 02:10 AM, said:

New players bringing trial mechs to CW matches is just like fresh lvl 30 players participating in a ranked match without runes or masteries, in League of Legends.

In others words--DON'T DO IT!

No. BS. The idea that you can't do well in CW with a trial mech is complete BS. In CW its not the mech as much as it is the teamwork. There is no reason a player can't play a ranked match in LOL if he has the option. He can either learn from the experience or decide it is too hard for him. It is not a mistake for him to do it. Just because he will likely lose is irrelevant.

Look at this from a new players perspective. When you are new you will look around at the new tabs. Odds are you will click on the faction tab at some point and go ahead and decide on a faction just to see what it is. All of a sudden you are getting notifications about battles. Sounds pretty sweet so you join the queue. At that point it is up to the experienced players to help guide the newbro into the ranks of awesome. Instead, all to often, they are subjected to verbal and psychological abuse.

Everyone rusn around screaming about the NPE. PGI you need to work on the NPE. We need a better NPE. NPE NPE NPE.

This game is about teamwork. It can't work without it. You can't win without it. There are thigns PGI can do to help but it doesn't really matter what they do. In the end WE are responsible for the NPE. If the NPE is bad in this game then the fault lies with us.

Kilo 40, on 17 February 2015 - 02:55 AM, said:

Those weak or clowny mechs is all he is able to use right now. and even if they weren't, that's irrelevant. The topic is about rude players in game.

The OP is spot on. when people start berating new players like that, it just hurts the game.

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