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[Davers]

Gas Guzzler, on 26 February 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Man, if you guys want to duke it out that's fine, let's just be civilized about it. CGB will reach terra in a week or two, understand that, but then we will get a reset most likely and start fresh.

I just don't want any finger pointing at the end. If Marik wants to go to war, they are agreeing to lose Terra to the clans, and that is fine, I don't really care, it is all a game. It will not be HK's fault, so I don't want to hear that ****.

We shifted off of the Clan front originally because we did not have the numbers to succeed on the Clan borders. We got merc help and didn't shift our attention to the Clan front. What I heard when I asked HK leadership why we weren't shifting over to the Clan border, they said that it was because we had mercs taking care of the Clan front. Personally I wanted to fight Clans, but it wasn't my call. So we kept fighting Davion until others started to get bored and we started thinking about going up to the clans, then the MS thing happened and we had some tough matches. Won some, lost some, and the losses stung because we weren't accustomed to losing. At that point we decided that we needed to close the wormhole to prevent Marik from covering the bottom left corner of HK in purple before turning all of our attention to the Clans. It wasn't an "F u" to Marik, it was just a liability that we were not comfortable with. Then, we get Marik trying to attack us and the forums erupt in a shitposting war and hatred brews on both sides now everyone wants to kill each other. ITS NO WONDER THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY WARS ON EARTH!

So really, it is unfortunate Marik could not wait a little bit longer for us to shift up to the Clans, then we could have worked together, with elements of Marik and Davion on defense and HK throwing all of our 12 mans on offense against CGB (who has gotten extremely strong lately) and CSJ. That was my hope originally, but the attitudes from Marik and Davion that HK was running from the Clans because they were too hard and that we should do what they tell us to do or else be met with shadowed threats have really alienated a lot of HK, whereas the forum trolling on our part (don't consider myself a troll, but you know what I mean) has alienated elements of Marik and Davion. I find the RP trolling lighthearted and funny, but others don't see it the same way, so what can ya do?

So anyway, my hope was that might shed some light on how a section of HK has viewed the whole situation, to better detail why we have done things the way we did and the view from a HK soldier. Notice that no where are we worried about our borders bulking up or Marik's talks of going to war with us. The elements of Kurita that want to not fight Marik and Davion just want to shift to the clans, so we can play CW and defend the IS from the Clans. IF Marik decides they do want to duke it out, that's fine, we can wait until after the CW map reset to fight more Clans, or whoever wants to fight us I guess.

CGB is going to get to Terra whether Marik and Kurita fight or not. In fact, they may get there before Marik can even get a lane to Kurita. Kurita is not resisting them. They have stated that they *cannot* resist them. In fact one Kurita has already suggested that the combined strength of Marik and Kurita could probably not stop CGB.

So stop trying to blame us.

We tried to organize to fight the Clans, but you declined so you could fight Davion. Then 2 weeks later you guys change your tune and want CFs all around and want to fight Clans. It's not our fault your leadership is schizophrenic. Kurita seems so worried about all it's planets, except the ones in CGB's path.

If CGB gets to Terra because they are too big to fight, then it really isn't anybodies fault. It's just how the numbers worked out.

[Prophetic]

Davers, on 26 February 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

CGB is going to get to Terra whether Marik and Kurita fight or not. In fact, they may get there before Marik can even get a lane to Kurita. Kurita is not resisting them. They have stated that they *cannot* resist them. In fact one Kurita has already suggested that the combined strength of Marik and Kurita could probably not stop CGB.

So stop trying to blame us.

We tried to organize to fight the Clans, but you declined so you could fight Davion. Then 2 weeks later you guys change your tune and want CFs all around and want to fight Clans. It's not our fault your leadership is schizophrenic. Kurita seems so worried about all it's planets, except the ones in CGB's path.

If CGB gets to Terra because they are too big to fight, then it really isn't anybodies fault. It's just how the numbers worked out.

We declined the nSL invitation not fighting clans.
HK fights clans all the freeking time, we never stopped. We have done it so much that we have dirty clanners running off the map and hiding.

I swear if I see one more stormcrow! That is why it's nice to mix it up and fight IS vs IS sometimes. You guys don't run.

Seriously stop with the melodrama.

Edited by Prophetic, 26 February 2015 - 11:11 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

How many tears were splashing on your keyboard when you typed all the BS?

What faction created this thread again?

Just checking.

[Gas Guzzler]

Davers, on 26 February 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

CGB is going to get to Terra whether Marik and Kurita fight or not. In fact, they may get there before Marik can even get a lane to Kurita. Kurita is not resisting them. They have stated that they *cannot* resist them. In fact one Kurita has already suggested that the combined strength of Marik and Kurita could probably not stop CGB.

So stop trying to blame us.

We tried to organize to fight the Clans, but you declined so you could fight Davion. Then 2 weeks later you guys change your tune and want CFs all around and want to fight Clans. It's not our fault your leadership is schizophrenic. Kurita seems so worried about all it's planets, except the ones in CGB's path.

If CGB gets to Terra because they are too big to fight, then it really isn't anybodies fault. It's just how the numbers worked out.

Nothing you said really contradicted what I said. Except that I was trying to blame you. I was in fact saying, don't blame us. In your last statement, you echo what HK has been trying to say all along. Its how the numbers worked out. It's not that we don't care about CGBs border planets, its that their numbers don't grant us the power to stop them, even if we did win all the time.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 26 February 2015 - 11:14 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

I swear if I see one more stormcrow! That is why it's nice to mix it up and fight IS vs IS sometimes. You guys don't run.

This, I get.

Back in the early days, we were getting pretty demoralized being beat by Davion nightly, so we took it to Steiner for a week, kicked the living crap out of them and came back refreshed. It was at this point we were able to keep Davion to a standstill when they still had all their numbers (or at least a great portion of them).

It's all about fighting in a war game, sometimes you just need to take a break on a different front to regain perspective.

[Prophetic]

Roadbeer, on 26 February 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

What faction created this thread again?

Who are you again?

[The Droid]

Bwahahaha. War over mean words.

[Davers]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

We decline the nSL invitation not fighting clans. HK fights clans all the freeking time, we never stopped. We have done it so much that we have dirty clanners running off the map and hiding.

I swear if I see one more stormcrow! That is why it's nice to mix it up and fight IS vs IS sometimes. You guys don't run.

Seriously stop with the melodrama.

Then stop all the 'Marik doomed the IS" talk.

The simple fact is that to beat CGB would take some kind of organization between the IS houses. Whether we called it a Star League, or simply "Hey guys, can you send some reinforcements over here?"

The Star League was dumb for trying to interfere with individual Houses ability to expand it's borders. That's the fun part of the game. But it was dead on when it came to the idea that no individual House could stand up to multiple invading Clans without real support.

[Prophetic]

Roadbeer, on 26 February 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:

This, I get.

Back in the early days, we were getting pretty demoralized being beat by Davion nightly, so we took it to Steiner for a week, kicked the living crap out of them and came back refreshed. It was at this point we were able to keep Davion to a standstill when they still had all their numbers (or at least a great portion of them).

It's all about fighting in a war game, sometimes you just need to take a break on a different front to regain perspective.

Figures you would actually say something meaningful for your follow up

[Araevin Teshurr]

pwnface, on 18 February 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

The DCMS is wondering why Marik is attacking us on Athenry right now. We'd like to have some kind of explanation and would like to state that continued attacks on our worlds will lead to very negative relations between House Kurita and House Marik.

Please feel free to message me or any of our other DCMS ambassadors if anyone within the FWLM leadership would like to add some commentary here..

It's obvious old boy, they want you dead!

[The Droid]

The so-called "Marik doomed the IS" talk is only there to forestall any "Kurita didn't stop the clanners, Kurita never fights clanners, Kurita doomed the IS" talk that would inevitably occur if the war mongers in Marik started a war with Kurita.

Edited by The Droid, 26 February 2015 - 11:21 AM.

[Prophetic]

Davers, on 26 February 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Then stop all the 'Marik doomed the IS" talk.

The simple fact is that to beat CGB would take some kind of organization between the IS houses. Whether we called it a Star League, or simply "Hey guys, can you send some reinforcements over here?"

The Star League was dumb for trying to interfere with individual Houses ability to expand it's borders. That's the fun part of the game. But it was dead on when it came to the idea that no individual House could stand up to multiple invading Clans without real support.

Marik doomed the IS? Sounds like Clammer speak. The yellow kind.

I agree house politics need to be left alone. A mutual agreement to reinforce clan fronts should have been based on good faith arrangements through the nSL.
Not, don't attack Davion. Also, if you don't join we will pull all our mercs and we may or may not attack you next.

Edited by Prophetic, 26 February 2015 - 11:28 AM.

[pwnface]

wanderer, on 26 February 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

The fun thing here is Davion isn't playing possum- they're trading worlds with Marik at this point and even took Ronel recently from the Combine.

So it's not like they're helpless. Just saying so.

We've shifted our focus to fight CSJ and Davion is not getting any real resistance from us right now.

[Monkey Lover]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

I swear if I see one more stormcrow

I have a fealing once wave 3 hits we will be hoping they use more crows lol

[pwnface]

Davers, on 26 February 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Then stop all the 'Marik doomed the IS" talk.

The simple fact is that to beat CGB would take some kind of organization between the IS houses. Whether we called it a Star League, or simply "Hey guys, can you send some reinforcements over here?"

The Star League was dumb for trying to interfere with individual Houses ability to expand it's borders. That's the fun part of the game. But it was dead on when it came to the idea that no individual House could stand up to multiple invading Clans without real support.

There is no Marik doomed IS talk, nobody has said this ever. If Marik and Kurita go to war, Terra is doomed. If we manage to not kill each other, Terra has a small chance of standing if everyone can somehow band together to resist CGB.

Kurita is refusing to throw the first punch, but is happy to say "F*** Terra" and throw 100% of our forces against Marik if provoked.

[Gas Guzzler]

Monkey Lover, on 26 February 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

I have a fealing once wave 3 hits we will be hoping they use more crows lol

The Cauldron-Born looks to be one sexy beast. I am so excited for W3, so much better than W2.

[Davers]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

Marik doomed the IS? Sounds like Clammer speak. The yellow kind.

I agree house politics need to be left alone. A mutual agreement to reinforce clan fronts should have been based on good faith arrangements through the nSL.
Not, don't attack Davion. Also, if you don't join we will pull all our mercs and we may or may not attack you next.

It's a shame you guys didn't join. Maybe you could have pointed out how stupid those ideas were, instead of setting yourselves up as an outsider.

Terra can take care of itself. I hear the PGI faction can erase the entire IS with the press of a button, or if they trip over a power cord.

Edited by Davers, 26 February 2015 - 11:34 AM.

[wanderer]

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We've shifted our focus to fight CSJ and Davion is not getting any real resistance from us right now.

Exactly. Davion will say "Nice Dragon" until you turn around, then hit you with a stick. It is the Davion way. Prey on the weak and distracted, fall down and wail when someone hits them back.

Peace with Davion is a lie. The only way the border with Davion will be secure is when there are no more Davion borders.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

Figures you would actually say something meaningful for your follow up

I rarely look at who's posting when I reply. Keeps bias out of it. That's why I often confuse pronouns on the interwebz

[pwnface]

Davers, on 26 February 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

It's a shame you guys didn't join. Maybe you could have pointed out how stupid those ideas were, instead of setting yourselves up as an outsider.

Terra can take care of itself. I hear the PGI faction can erase the entire IS with the press of a button, or if they trip over a power cord.

Maybe, the decision to not join the nSL was not an easy one. Personally, I don't believe soft-ceasefires work. Either be happy neighbors or not, firing a few shots at your neighbor never makes for good relationships. If/when the map resets, maybe everyone in the IS can just agree to never ever attack each other from day 1. Then we can truly focus 100% on clans and nobody would have any grievances against each other.