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[pbiggz]

pwnface, on 26 February 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Maybe, the decision to not join the nSL was not an easy one. Personally, I don't believe soft-ceasefires work. Either be happy neighbors or not, firing a few shots at your neighbor never makes for good relationships. If/when the map resets, maybe everyone in the IS can just agree to never ever attack each other from day 1. Then we can truly focus 100% on clans and nobody would have any grievances against each other.

Although that would be very very boring.

[Gas Guzzler]

pwnface, on 26 February 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Maybe, the decision to not join the nSL was not an easy one. Personally, I don't believe soft-ceasefires work. Either be happy neighbors or not, firing a few shots at your neighbor never makes for good relationships. If/when the map resets, maybe everyone in the IS can just agree to never ever attack each other from day 1. Then we can truly focus 100% on clans and nobody would have any grievances against each other.

It would be very interesting to try this. Having southern houses defend and northerners attack. Would be very cool to see how successful we are.

It would have been cool to have CW prior to Clans to duke out the old fashioned way, freebith to free birth. Oh well.

pbiggz, on 26 February 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

Although that would be very very boring.

Aye, would likely get old quick, but it is tough to muster up the numbers to fight both Clan fronts and secondary fronts.

We could always send all of our second line units at Davion. No one likes them anyway

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 26 February 2015 - 11:42 AM.

[Roadbeer]

pbiggz, on 26 February 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

Although that would be very very boring.

Agreed.
That's why I'm, let's not say against, but not for the nSL as it was proposed at the first meeting.

It's never good to tell people how to play a game they're paying for (or not,since this is F2P). I'd have much rather prefered the creation of a handful of nSL units that people could load alts or mains (if they desired) into and use those as quick action units against the Clans.

Soft Cease Fire caused a lot of frustration, basicly because it was saying "We know you don't want to fight the Clans and are happier putting more purple dots on the map, but because of reasons, you can't."

nSL wasn't even a part of my thought process during the command chat discussion about what happened at Athenry

[pwnface]

Roadbeer, on 26 February 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

nSL wasn't even a part of my thought process during the command chat discussion about what happened at Athenry

Certainly didn't seem that way from our perspective. Especially as it was Ilithi Dragon who spearheaded the foundation of the nSL AND authored the declaration of war against Kurita.

[Roadbeer]

pwnface, on 26 February 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

Certainly didn't seem that way from our perspective. Especially as it was Ilithi Dragon who spearheaded the foundation of the nSL AND authored the declaration of war against Kurita.

I said it wasn't part of my thought process. You'd be hard pressed to find a quote from me where I've ever mentioned it.

Marik command is more than a few voices, while we all had different reasons, the result is the same. You've only seen Illithi's reasons. And that DoW was widely considered a bad idea by most of Marik command. Y'all keep ignoring that fact, it never made it past rough draft.

Edited by Roadbeer, 26 February 2015 - 11:57 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

Roadbeer, on 26 February 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

It's never good to tell people how to play a game they're paying for (or not,since this is F2P). I'd have much rather prefered the creation of a handful of nSL units that people could load alts or mains (if they desired) into and use those as quick action units against the Clans.

This is wat the MERC units should be, but instead we have units that either use one house as it's command structure (such as the Seraphim effectively being a more loosley coordinated Maric unit) or don't care about CW that much apparently. It wouldn't even confilct with the Loyalty rewards as fighting clans in the defense from southern houses or in offense from the northern houses don't conflict with these bonuses.

Of course once it comes down to IS houses reigniting the 5th succession war, they can still do either faction-hopping and just help whoever has the best payout or align with one of the houses for a longer duration.

Maybe instead of a nSL that currently is very far from going anywhere apparently, with each house thirsting for blood one reason or another, maybe we could instead unite MERCs under a neutral Comstar banner.

[Roadbeer]

SethAbercromby, on 26 February 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

This is wat the MERC units should be, but instead we have units that either use one house as it's command structure (such as the Seraphim effectively being a more loosley coordinated Maric unit) or don't care about CW that much apparently. It wouldn't even confilct with the Loyalty rewards as fighting clans in the defense from southern houses or in offense from the northern houses don't conflict with these bonuses.

Of course once it comes down to IS houses reigniting the 5th succession war, they can still do either faction-hopping and just help whoever has the best payout or align with one of the houses for a longer duration.

Maybe instead of a nSL that currently is very far from going anywhere apparently, with each house thirsting for blood one reason or another, maybe we could instead unite MERCs under a neutral Comstar banner.

The 2 problems with that is.
1. Loyalists WANT to wear their faction tag, they don't want to move around, they want to kick the clans wearing purple, or green or yellow. Defense is a very boring game because not only is there no benefit to doing it from a southern house (from the houses' perspective) but it's also a zero sum gain, where your efforts are washed away by the Pugzapper.
2. MWO has a long history to contend with before it was even a thing. Speaking from a Marik perspective, some of us have a 15 year gripe with Steiner and Davion that goes back to MPBT:3025 or earlier.

As someone said earlier, this would be a much cooler game if it was set in 3025 or at any point Pre-clans, so the IS houses could get all smashmouth on each other w/o people crying about the external testtube baby threat.

[MischiefSC]

The big issue with the Davion ceasefire is worlds lost. That and general ill will. Maybe after a map reset.

I was chewing on ideas for how the southern houses can support fighting the clans. Coordinating defense and offense is drama and unreliable.

A better option IMO is rotating door merc units. For example a FDCO unit that switches to the clan front where its needed and Davion pilots temporarily join it for a "shift". FDCO may go Steiner one week and FRR the next but integrate with that houses units.

That would let other houses share useful muscle with the clan fronts. Players can switch units pretty easily, far more so than units changing factions. Also it let's you move just pilots who want to fight the clans while letting the others stay home.

[SethAbercromby]

Roadbeer, on 26 February 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

The 2 problems with that is.
1. Loyalists WANT to wear their faction tag, they don't want to move around, they want to kick the clans wearing purple, or green or yellow. Defense is a very boring game because not only is there no benefit to doing it from a southern house (from the houses' perspective) but it's also a zero sum gain, where your efforts are washed away by the Pugzapper.
2. MWO has a long history to contend with before it was even a thing. Speaking from a Marik perspective, some of us have a 15 year gripe with Steiner and Davion that goes back to MPBT:3025 or earlier.

As someone said earlier, this would be a much cooler game if it was set in 3025 or at any point Pre-clans, so the IS houses could get all smashmouth on each other w/o people crying about the external testtube baby threat.

Loyalits can do whatever, I pointed out the MERCs which tecnically do whatever and are just in to shoot things. Yes, southern houses doing defense should get some sort of cut, but the only thing that matters is the color of the planet and a unit tag atm. Maybe have some big cash payout to the 5 MVP units that contributed to the cpature?

[Khanesh Loral]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

How many tears were splashing on your keyboard when you typed all the BS?

See? This is the kinda **** I was talking about. A lot of your members are pretty cool. I realize you are with NS, a loyalist unit, but I was trying to make a valid point. A lot of Marik may or may not have been against a war with Kurita, because the clans have been pushing everyone's **** in. But the EPIC levels of troll from you guys have galvanized most of us to say, "Who cares who punched who in the junk first, and who cares about the Clans, Kurita's gonna f-ing DIE."

[Tasker]

Khanesh Loral, on 26 February 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

See? This is the kinda **** I was talking about. A lot of your members are pretty cool. I realize you are with NS, a loyalist unit, but I was trying to make a valid point. A lot of Marik may or may not have been against a war with Kurita, because the clans have been pushing everyone's **** in. But the EPIC levels of troll from you guys have galvanized most of us to say, "Who cares who punched who in the junk first, and who cares about the Clans, Kurita's gonna f-ing DIE."

Sound just like Davion one month ago.

[Ax2Grind]

page 65 is an epic forum war indeed.

[Khanesh Loral]

Tasker, on 26 February 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

Sound just like Davion one month ago.

Good. Because you will sound like Davion one month from now.

[Davers]

Tasker, on 26 February 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

Sound just like Davion one month ago.

Bull ****. There is only one witty Davion poster, and he is physically unable to create one sentence posts.

[stratagos]

Nothing can stop the Threadnaught. Butthurt is OP


PGI, plz nerf ego

[Roadbeer]

Ax2Grind, on 26 February 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

page 65 is an epic forum war indeed.

Kurita tears are not unlike quail egg shooters.

Salty and you need a lot of them before you get full

[MischiefSC]

Davers, on 26 February 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

Bull ****. There is only one witty Davion poster, and he is physically unable to create one sentence posts.

One of them also enjoys being contrary on gp too.

[Prophetic]

Roadbeer, on 26 February 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

The 2 problems with that is.
1. Loyalists WANT to wear their faction tag, they don't want to move around, they want to kick the clans wearing purple, or green or yellow. Defense is a very boring game because not only is there no benefit to doing it from a southern house (from the houses' perspective) but it's also a zero sum gain, where your efforts are washed away by the Pugzapper.
2. MWO has a long history to contend with before it was even a thing. Speaking from a Marik perspective, some of us have a 15 year gripe with Steiner and Davion that goes back to MPBT:3025 or earlier.

As someone said earlier, this would be a much cooler game if it was set in 3025 or at any point Pre-clans, so the IS houses could get all smashmouth on each other w/o people crying about the external testtube baby threat.

Ahh MPBT 3025. Now maybe more can grasp my interest in seeing the Fedrat wiped off the map.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 26 February 2015 - 12:42 PM, said:

Ahh MPBT 3025. Now maybe more can grasp my interest in seeing the Fedrat wiped off the map.

[Prophetic]

Khanesh Loral, on 26 February 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

See? This is the kinda **** I was talking about. A lot of your members are pretty cool. I realize you are with NS, a loyalist unit, but I was trying to make a valid point. A lot of Marik may or may not have been against a war with Kurita, because the clans have been pushing everyone's **** in. But the EPIC levels of troll from you guys have galvanized most of us to say, "Who cares who punched who in the junk first, and who cares about the Clans, Kurita's gonna f-ing DIE."

NS is a Merc unit for the record.

If my little comment is enough to set u off and incites such rage in HK, well then, you have little hope when the steam masses arrive.