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[Alaskan Nobody]

Deathlike, on 21 February 2015 - 05:17 PM, said:

You can't say that is true for everyone either as speaking for everyone is a bad idea.

True, and I apologize for what of that I have done

I have been getting irritated with what half-processed "logic" has been getting thrown at me though.

CW3 should cost the same as the IS equivalents for pre-order?
Not until they come with equivalent upgrades.
Not until it does not cost me extra time to make my IS mechs reach the standard of stock Clan mechs.

By which I mean that "They have 2 mechs with DHS - thatmatches our 12-16!" garbage.

And yet again - I have been buying both.
I have been playing both.
Clan packs being cheaper would benefit me just as much as the CW Clan players.

Does not make it "Fair" for them to cost the same.

Edit: next bit is not directed at you personally

Pay to reduce grind people
And CW3 reduces a minimum 40 million cbills grind* compared to it's equivalent IS pack.



* Remember?
I did the math?
I SHOWED the math?
Several times?


It would take a Resistance pack buyer a minimum of 40m cbills GRIND to match the STOCK CW3 mechs?

For those of you who missed it: or like Cimarb chose not to read it
Here it is again

Shar Wolf, on 21 February 2015 - 04:19 PM, said:

For those of you who are curious - this is what a similar package would cost the IS.
(OH WAIT - we just GOT ONE! - and note that I have several times now linked what upgrades that one gives us for free!)


Rounding down - since the IS would only need one (read 1) of each engine....

XL380: 6.2million
XL325: 5.3m
XL270: 4.4m
XL240: 3.9m

® pack got 1 XL engine - a 250 so we can ignore the 240

Subtotal: 15.9 million

12 mechs with DHS 18m
® got 2, so we can ignore 3m

Subtotal: 33.9 million

3x30 ton mechs with Endo: 900k
3x45 ton mechs with Endo: 1350k
3x67 ton mechs with Endo: 1950k

Resistance got 1 35 ton mech with Endo, so we cut 350k

Subtotal: 37.75m

Only light mechs consistently use Ferro - so in the interest of fairness, those are the two we compare

3x30 ton mechs with Ferro 450k

Vs. 0 light mechs with Ferro

Subtotal saved vs the Resistance Pack so far?

More than 38 MILLION Cbills

Anyone ELSE want to try and convince me it should cost the same?

So NO

I do not believe that the IS packs and Clan packs should cost the same.
And nothing I have heard has been anything more than (literally - and I checked - remember the dictionary?) people simply disliking the price just because it is more.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 21 February 2015 - 05:29 PM.

[Thunder Child]

As a Collector of EVEYTINGZ! I agree that the Clan stuff should be as cheap as the Inner Sphere Stuff. Hell, give it all away for free! PGI can run the servers on Love and Rainbows.

Okay, seriously, you both have a point. Yes, Clan Stuff is baseline more expensive off the shelf, so yes, you are paying to reduce the grind.

Yes, it would be nice if the mechs actually had internal balancing for the Prices. So a 20ton light might be cheaper than a 35ton light.

BUT! At the end of the day, it is a pre-order pack that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY TO PLAY! Look at the frackin Gold Mechs, for example. $500 for a Shiny! People will pay what they want to pay, either for the love of the game, the love of a specific chassis (Urbanmech on point), or just because they had a choice between a Gold Mech, or a Mortgage payment....

The Point is, the $ Tag has NEVER reflected the in-game value of the package. It is, has been, and always will be, an arbitrary value assigned by PGI. That's why we have MC. To buy Mechs with real Money, based on their value (Heros Excluded, which is another argument).

Edited by Thunder Child, 21 February 2015 - 06:17 PM.

[dragnier1]

Just wondering, is the package going to be available for gifting before the 28th?

[Cimarb]

dragnier1, on 21 February 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

Just wondering, is the package going to be available for gifting before the 28th?

That is a good question. I will try to get an answer from Russ.

[dragnier1]

Cimarb, on 21 February 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

That is a good question. I will try to get an answer from Russ.

While you're at it, do ask if the recipient will get the early access mechs as well.

Thanks

[Stoned Prophet]

LeGiit legion47, on 20 February 2015 - 05:02 PM, said:

IKR? I don't have hundreds of dollars to drop on digital content, I honestly hate F2P because of this crap. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't a true MechWarrior.

You do know youre not required to buy anything right? Why do people act like they HAVE to have stuff theyre unwilling to pay the asking price for?

[Stoned Prophet]

scgt1, on 20 February 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

8 days notice to fork out $120 to get the extra mechs. You guys are $#@$ing mad! Some people work for a living. I've purchased every pack so far from you guys but this takes the cake. 8 measly days notice really? pfft Money grabbing is all you guys have turned to.

Uhh, not to be a jerk, but, uh, thats what saving money is for...

[Stoned Prophet]

Calamus, on 21 February 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

"incorrect conclusions" (IMHO)

Incorrect. It IS justifiable. You see,its justified by the fact that it is capitalism. Supply and demand. They have the supply. If you want it, they can tell you how much it costs. if you dont like the cost, you are free to not purchase it. But people (like myself) WILL purchase it, and that justifies the price.

Edited by Stoned Prophet, 21 February 2015 - 09:54 PM.

[Stoned Prophet]

Cimarb, on 21 February 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Shar, I did answer that. The cbill cost, both initially or post-purchase, has nothing to do with this discussion. You would understand that if you had read my post.

Here, let me snip that part so it is quicker:



Now, instead of calling me names over and over, can you please address those facts?

No, you SAY the Cbill cost has nothing to do with the discussion. Unfortunately for you, that is an OPINION, not a FACT.

[Uncle Totty]

Stoned Prophet, on 21 February 2015 - 09:52 PM, said:

Incorrect. It IS justifiable. You see,its justified by the fact that it is capitalism. Supply and demand. They have the supply. If you want it, they can tell you how much it costs. if you dont like the cost, you are free to not purchase it. But people (like myself) WILL purchase it, and that justifies the price.

You say it is justifiable, I say you are brainwashed by nostalgia. (This is from someone who paid $55 for three Timber Wolfs I knew were overpriced.)

Stoned Prophet, on 21 February 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

Uhh, not to be a jerk, but, uh, thats what saving money is for...

Not everyone makes as much (or spends as much) as you do.

[Cimarb]

Stoned Prophet, on 21 February 2015 - 09:56 PM, said:

No, you SAY the Cbill cost has nothing to do with the discussion. Unfortunately for you, that is an OPINION, not a FACT.

No, it is actually a fact. One that is quite clear to anyone that opens up their eyes and does just a small bit of math.

[scgt1]

Stoned Prophet, on 21 February 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

Uhh, not to be a jerk, but, uh, thats what saving money is for...

Can't really save money when there are packs constantly up for sale. Holidays, birthdays, etc. Some people have kids to factor in. Other packs released a bonus on a month by month basis. PGI is wanting you to spend $120 up front at one sitting in now 7 days instead of say 28th for the first pack bonus then the following 28th for the second pack bonus etc. That is how they have done it in the past.

It is much more feasible for people who don't have 20k in the bank at a given notice. Some of us have bills and work hard for a living. Not all of us sit at home and play MWO on mommy and daddys dime.

[Cimarb]

scgt1, on 21 February 2015 - 10:34 PM, said:

Can't really save money when there are packs constantly up for sale. Holidays, birthdays, etc. Some people have kids to factor in. Other packs released a bonus on a month by month basis. PGI is wanting you to spend $120 up front at one sitting in now 7 days instead of say 28th for the first pack bonus then the following 28th for the second pack bonus etc. That is how they have done it in the past.

It is much more feasible for people who don't have 20k in the bank at a given notice. Some of us have bills and work hard for a living. Not all of us sit at home and play MWO on mommy and daddys dime.

While I sympathize with you, you do not have to get the whole pack during that first bonus period. It is nice to get a fourth variant, but they have already stated that the 4th variant will be available for MC/cbills at the same time as the other variants. You just do not get them early unless you purchase that tier early.

[scgt1]

Cimarb, on 21 February 2015 - 10:49 PM, said:

While I sympathize with you, you do not have to get the whole pack during that first bonus period. It is nice to get a fourth variant, but they have already stated that the 4th variant will be available for MC/cbills at the same time as the other variants. You just do not get them early unless you purchase that tier early.

That's fine and all but aren't mech bays $9.99 each. (I've never actually purchased one) If so then that makes the top wave 3 pack $160 if one would want all the mechs. Saying the mechs were purchase with countless hours of rediculous grinding to come up with the cbills to purchase them. Otherwise your spending more money out of pocket for mc to purchase those 4 that way.

It doesn't make sense for the extra perks to be rammed down our throats so soon with little time to complete a deal. It hasn't been done that way this whole time since closed beta. Why do it now.....

It's a bad decision for PGI to go in this direction. Sure they offer these loyalty bits for all this coin we have handed over but this is the kind of thing we get in return all of a sudden. It isn't right to treat us (the customer) like this. If they want to do things this way they should send a news letter out way in advance with dates. Not plop it down on the front page and give 8 days. It's rediculous!

Edited by scgt1, 21 February 2015 - 10:59 PM.

[Stoned Prophet]

Nathan K, on 21 February 2015 - 10:14 PM, said:

You say it is justifiable, I say you are brainwashed by nostalgia. (This is from someone who paid $55 for three Timber Wolfs I knew were overpriced.)



Not everyone makes as much (or spends as much) as you do.

And I say people who are the cheapskates convinced "pgi would make more money if it were cheaper!" and "I shouldnt have to spend what the item costs but i want it waaaaah" are entitled, self absorbed children who need to grow up and learn about life. You dont want to spend the money? Fine. But that doesnt mean the price is absolutely justified by the subjects I stated. It doesnt matter if it is justified to you. Its justified to PGI. and thats really the only one who counts. As sharwolf said, if you want to make a difference, organoze a boycott. Thats the only way itll change. But it wont work. Because a lot of people arent so poor that a 100 bucks is a huge deal on short notice. Youd probably cry if you saw how much I spent on 3d printed miniatures, but that doesnt mean theyre price isnt justified. Could they be cheaper? sure. But they arent. So get over that. Itll help you in the long run.



If you are living paycheck to paycheck, you need to save your money, not spend it on video games. But thats just my opinion. To be poor and whine because you cant buy what you want when you could save your money is rediculous. And if you tell me you dont have enough to save, you dont have enough to spend on video games. PERIOD.

Edited by Stoned Prophet, 22 February 2015 - 12:01 AM.

[Stoned Prophet]

scgt1, on 21 February 2015 - 10:34 PM, said:

Can't really save money when there are packs constantly up for sale. Holidays, birthdays, etc. Some people have kids to factor in. Other packs released a bonus on a month by month basis. PGI is wanting you to spend $120 up front at one sitting in now 7 days instead of say 28th for the first pack bonus then the following 28th for the second pack bonus etc. That is how they have done it in the past.

It is much more feasible for people who don't have 20k in the bank at a given notice. Some of us have bills and work hard for a living. Not all of us sit at home and play MWO on mommy and daddys dime.

So now you cant save money because you have impulse control problems and buy things you cant afford? You know you wont die if you dont get the early adopters stuff right? Now, youre gonna come back and say its not worth it without that stuff! except it is. You are the one causing you to be upset. to quote some bhuddist guy, (probably badly) wanting leads to suffering. Want nothing, and you will not suffer its absence.


You are showing youre inability to understand money or value in any meaningful way, and then you hyperbolize (Is that a word? it should be.) 20k in the bank is not the same as saving a few hundred bucks to spend on something you like.

So which is it? Do I have 20k in the bank or am I living on mommy and daddys dime?
Please continue to assume you have any idea about me or who I am.

scgt1, on 21 February 2015 - 10:58 PM, said:

That's fine and all but aren't mech bays $9.99 each. (I've never actually purchased one)

You should no longer be allowed to post since you yourself admit to not knowing what youre talking about. and fyi, a mechbay is about $1.50
Sigh

scgt1, on 21 February 2015 - 10:58 PM, said:

It doesn't make sense for the extra perks to be rammed down our throats so soon with little time to complete a deal. It hasn't been done that way this whole time since closed beta. Why do it now.....

It's a bad decision for PGI to go in this direction. Sure they offer these loyalty bits for all this coin we have handed over but this is the kind of thing we get in return all of a sudden. It isn't right to treat us (the customer) like this. If they want to do things this way they should send a news letter out way in advance with dates. Not plop it down on the front page and give 8 days. It's rediculous!

"rammed down your throat"

OMG GUYS THESE GUYS ARE RAMMING EXTRA STUFF DOWN OUR THROATS AND WE HAVE TO GET IT!

Do you seriously read what you type and think it makes any sense? Like, at all?

Just WOW.



Aaaaaad... Im done with this guy.

Edited by Stoned Prophet, 22 February 2015 - 12:10 AM.

[Stoned Prophet]

Cimarb, on 21 February 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

No, it is actually a fact. One that is quite clear to anyone that opens up their eyes and does just a small bit of math.

No, it actually is an opinion. Let me help:
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a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:

Not based on fact. As in Subjective. If you need that word defined I can do that too. Just ask nicely [/color]

[Hawk819]

I don't care. either way, i'll get all that I need, and all in good time.

[dragnier1]

scgt1, on 21 February 2015 - 10:58 PM, said:

That's fine and all but aren't mech bays $9.99 each. (I've never actually purchased one) If so then that makes the top wave 3 pack $160 if one would want all the mechs. Saying the mechs were purchase with countless hours of rediculous grinding to come up with the cbills to purchase them. Otherwise your spending more money out of pocket for mc to purchase those 4 that way.

It doesn't make sense for the extra perks to be rammed down our throats so soon with little time to complete a deal. It hasn't been done that way this whole time since closed beta. Why do it now.....

It's a bad decision for PGI to go in this direction. Sure they offer these loyalty bits for all this coin we have handed over but this is the kind of thing we get in return all of a sudden. It isn't right to treat us (the customer) like this. If they want to do things this way they should send a news letter out way in advance with dates. Not plop it down on the front page and give 8 days. It's rediculous!

No. Mechbays are valued at USD 1.50-1.60.

No the package is stated at $30, $60, $90, $120.


The free access mechs are top-up. Meaning buy 3 get 1 free (until 28 Feb)

Mechbays for each mech included. Meaning $30 for 3 mechs and 3 mechbays together.

Mechbay for top-ups included. Meaning buy 3 get 1 free (only for packages, until 28 Feb)

Mechbay for each cbill variant permanently locked to mech.



*** Don't confuse yourself.

Edited by dragnier1, 22 February 2015 - 01:19 AM.

[Bluttrunken]

I bought the Cheetah. I don't have a Firestarter and the Cheetah might be a capable replacement(6 Energy Harpoints+ECM, oh yeah). Shadowcat = Clan Cicada? Too low tonnage for my Medium Taste, also too slow for a Recon Mech. Assault's im generally not that interested in. Ebon Jaguar, though,... looks tasty but I should get a Timber Wolf first.

All in all it's an incredibly nice package. All the mechs look considerably strong...

I need to learn some more restraint because I have too many mechs already. But oh well... I got the money to buy it, maybe I'll upgrade at a later date. No rush, though, considering the release is in June or July, respectively.