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[Soy]

For those that can't be asked to read 49 pages...

Basically Summoner is getting quirked.





We can move on with our lives now.




Here is a visual metaphor:

[Felio]

C-SRM range, here we come.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yup, missed the point.

Quirks ain't gonna do it. For the Summoner, or establishing a decent baseline for Clan balance period. FREE ENDO FOR THE POOR!!!!!!
http://mwomercs.com/...-or-storm-crow/

except no quirk substitutes! (or rather....use quirks as they should be, as the final tuning tool AFTER the more logical, far reaching fixes are in place)

[Fate 6]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 March 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Yup, missed the point.

Quirks ain't gonna do it. For the Summoner, or establishing a decent baseline for Clan balance period. FREE ENDO FOR THE POOR!!!!!!
http://mwomercs.com/...-or-storm-crow/

except no quirk substitutes! (or rather....use quirks as they should be, as the final tuning tool AFTER the more logical, far reaching fixes are in place)

No, unlocking endo isn't going to fix the problems. Nova can't even use it.

[Felio]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 March 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Yup, missed the point.

Quirks ain't gonna do it. For the Summoner, or establishing a decent baseline for Clan balance period. FREE ENDO FOR THE POOR!!!!!!
http://mwomercs.com/...-or-storm-crow/

except no quirk substitutes! (or rather....use quirks as they should be, as the final tuning tool AFTER the more logical, far reaching fixes are in place)

Whenever I have brought this up, the forum warriors have told me PGI can't do it because licensing. Like there's some line in the sand saying they can change how everything works and stats on any weapon but not certain mech equipment.

Totally ridiculous, I think, but it'd be nice if Russ would clarify on Twitter or something. I just haven't asked him.

[Xetelian]

This is going to end up 40 pages long too if endo is discussed.

[Bishop Steiner]

Fate 6, on 05 March 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

No, unlocking endo isn't going to fix the problems. Nova can't even use it.

actually, the Nova can, though it does not benefit as much as others.

Nor doe the thread claim that it is the "cure all".

The point is that it puts Omni's on a more equal footing amongst each other, thus reducing outliers, and making gauging and fixing clan mech balance as a whole, simpler. It brings several of the bads up closer to the base line, and demonstrates more clearly how far over, if at all, mechs like the TW, DW and SC truly are.

Aka, it's a logical first step in fixing balance.

Xetelian, on 05 March 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

This is going to end up 40 pages long too if endo is discussed.

Good, more 40 page endo threads, more likely the point is finally made.

[Soy]

I really just wanted an excuse to compare Summoner to an horribly awkward naked guy running through a field.

The logical first step is acknowledging the first step, which is what PGI has at least done. We'll see what happens I guess...

[Bishop Steiner]

Soy, on 05 March 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

I really just wanted an excuse to compare Summoner to an horribly awkward naked guy running through a field.

The logical first step is acknowledging the first step, which is what PGI has at least done. We'll see what happens I guess...

I find it disturbing that you are gawking at my Summoner as it runs naked through the fields..... It had armor when the match started, dang it!

[White Bear 84]

I will see you all on page 40...

[Kain Demos]

Fate 6, on 05 March 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

No, unlocking endo isn't going to fix the problems. Nova can't even use it.

What? Howcan Nova not use an extra 2.5t of space?

[InspectorG]

PGI just give us the damn RT/LT pods with the nice high mounted E hardpoints...

Head with an E would be a nice gift to console us.

I can supply my own endo.

Quirks better Summon some Air-Jordan hang time.

40 pages, thats bush league. 100 for pro thread!

[Soy]

Kain Thul, on 05 March 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

What? Howcan Nova not use an extra 2.5t of space?

Where you gonna put it?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e5de0142aedb21

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...90d521bddf2509a

Yes, they're supposed to have actuators on, don't ask me why smurfy does that when I link ****, maybe it always does.

Edited by Soy, 05 March 2015 - 03:44 PM.

[Blue Boutique]

Kain Thul, on 05 March 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

What? Howcan Nova not use an extra 2.5t of space?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9e1769547594d69

Could use an AMS for the death machine.

Edited by Blue Boutique, 05 March 2015 - 03:50 PM.

[Creovex]

Someone say NO to endo??? I like this thread...

[MauttyKoray]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 March 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Yup, missed the point.

Quirks ain't gonna do it. For the Summoner, or establishing a decent baseline for Clan balance period. FREE ENDO FOR THE POOR!!!!!!
http://mwomercs.com/...-or-storm-crow/

except no quirk substitutes! (or rather....use quirks as they should be, as the final tuning tool AFTER the more logical, far reaching fixes are in place)

Jump Jets... literally the only friggin problem with this mech is that it CANT JUMP AND MOVE FOR ****. Its supposed to be a highly mobile Heavy adept at quick strikes and repositioning. What do we have? A Hellbringer that can hover with locked tonnage waste...

[Kain Demos]

Soy, on 05 March 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

Where you gonna put it?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e5de0142aedb21

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...90d521bddf2509a

Yes, they're supposed to have actuators on, don't ask me why smurfy does that when I link ****, maybe it always does.

By using heavier weapons. Sure, the .5t CERSL builds will not see much improvement but I could get two more DHS and max leg armor on my 12 SPL builds. You could also get more mileage out of builds involving CERLLs like duplicating the 2/3 and 2/4 L/M builds from the SCR.

In a perfect world they would allow some limited engine unlocks as well. ES + 300XL would be a nice upgrade for the Nova.

[Mcgral18]

Kain Thul, on 05 March 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

What? Howcan Nova not use an extra 2.5t of space?

Soy, on 05 March 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

Where you gonna put it?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e5de0142aedb21

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...90d521bddf2509a

Yes, they're supposed to have actuators on, don't ask me why smurfy does that when I link ****, maybe it always does.

Fun fact, if you were allowed to change the engine, you could move to a 300XL (which is a TT restriction; engines need to be divisible by tonnage) you would lose exactly a half ton, and lose three crit slots. Lose a JJ, you lose no tonnage, and 2 crit slots.

Moving 107 would help a little.


As for 2.5 tons; how about this:
NVA-Gauss

Max armour. Drop the shield arm and mount a TC1 if you want. If the UAC10s get a buff, swap to that and some ERMLs.

This one runs hot, but could be deadly:
NVA-UAC10 5ERML

[Deathlike]

70-tons ain't what they used to be.

Maybe next patch day, we will see through the new laser vomit for fun comparisons.

[Soy]

Kain Thul, on 05 March 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

By using heavier weapons.

...but.......... but............. what about all those..... those hardpoints.......

Mcgral18, on 05 March 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Fun fact, if you were allowed to change the engine, you could move to a 300XL (which is a TT restriction; engines need to be divisible by tonnage) you would lose exactly a half ton, and lose three crit slots. Lose a JJ, you lose no tonnage, and 2 crit slots.

If Nova had Summoner speed that'd be quite classy.

Edited by Soy, 05 March 2015 - 04:00 PM.