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[Silra]

Hehloes Mechwarriors!

This is the place where I thought this would be most appropriate to be posted...
So there is a Champion mech sale this whole weekend. Frankly they are not worth it, the 30% experience point gain alone does not make them worth the MC you're putting into them.

If you want to hear my whole reasoning behind that, check out the video below. If you disagree, grab one of them, just make sure you won't then regret it later on!

Edited by Silra, 06 March 2015 - 05:39 PM.

[Rogue Jedi]

while I understand your reasoning, here is another point of view.

a champion Mech is a pay for convenience item, it will save you hours of earning cbills, you get the Mech for real money, they are a way for people who cannot afford to spend a lot of time playing to get a reasonable setup spending few cbills.

the Champion often comes with the optimal engine for that chassis, meaning, especially with the Lights, you do not need to spend nearly as many cbills outfitting the other variants because you can save 3-5 million cbills by swopping the Mech from the Champion

I own about 100 Mechs at the moment, I need some more XL300 and XL255 engines, so I am going to buy some Spider and Jenner Champions just for the engine, I will then sell the Mechs, that way I get the engine for less than half an hours real world pay as opposed to spending about 10 hours to earn the money ingame to buy that engine.

my reasoning is that the cbills I am not spending on engines can go on DHS upgrades, Endo and Fero upgrades and modules for other Mechs.


both our opinions are equally valid, it just depends on what you value more, your money or your time

[zudukai]

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:. get a hero mech, and you can afford both XL's in no time, think long term, also hero mechs offer different unique hardpoints to a chassis.

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[Zookeeper Dan]

Use your math!

Jenner JR7-F(C)
Cost in MC: 1015
Cost in C-Bills to buy the JR-7 and upgrade it to the (C): 10,000,000 (roughly according to smurfy)
Cost of 7 days premium time in MC: 1250
Amount of extra C-Bills I'd earn per game with premium time: 30,000 (according to my stats)
Number of games to earn a Jenner C with premium time bonus: 333 (or 47 games per day for 7 days)
Time required to earn a Jenner C at 7 minutes per game: 40 Hours
Time it takes me to earn the $7 for 1250 MC at my job: 20 Minutes

So I could work full time playing MWO for an entire week to get a Jenner (C) or I could pay 20 minutes worth of $.

Sounds like buying the JR7-F(C) is a no brainer for me.

(And as to buying the Hero. You are spending 2.5 times as much in MC and still need about 5,000,000 C-Bills worth of upgrades to get it to the version on metamechs.com.)

But again it's up to individual players. If you're better pilot then I am and your per match earnings are higher or you don't have much fun money in your budget it's probably not worth it to buy and of the C variants.

[Sonny Black]

I would say don't buy a champion mech, just to have one, buy it because you like the setup.
Example: I'm an (evil ) Missile guy, yesterday bought the KTO-18C. Why you ask 5 LRM 5's, and good speed.

[Koniving]

Truth be told, I personally don't hold any interest in champion mechs for what they are. You can get them through earnings and build them however you please. Some, however, are worth getting just for the discount you're basically getting on their engines / upgrades already being done.

On a side note... before they were champions.... they were (Convenience) mechs. o.O; Heh.

[HARDKOR]

Champions exist to sweeten the pot on the master packs, not to be sold individually. The individual price is there to set value for when they add up the total value of the master pack.

Master packs and preorders are the only good value.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Have to disagree. The Raven 3L is a great light mech. So much so that I have bought FOUR of them so I can run them all without having to rebuild and swap modules each time.

2 ERL
1 LPL-2MPL
3ML-8SRM
3MPL-4SSRM

Plus, everyone loves having ECM on their side.

[JC Daxion]

Well i guess if you never wanna spend money on a game and have a ton of time to grind sure....



BUT.. think about it,, 5-10 bucks, gets you a nice mech, upgraded with generally a nice XL-engine, which can take a night or two to earn enough cash to buy.

The XP bonus, and correct me if i am wrong also works with General XP.. which you need a ton to unlock modules, so all that time you play with that bonus, and double XP weekends, and Premium... you can unlock a big module in no time!


While buying a single champion is not always the best thing, especially with the new Mastery packs, i must say i enjoy the few champions that i own, just for the general XP bonus.



But lastly, This is a business, and they need to make cash, and one of the biggest issues i hear people say all the time is way to much grinding. Well, grab a champion, and a hero, and some premium to get you started.. you really can't go wrong.



To the OP, I would rename your post to something like, how to grind with out champions, or something, because just out right saying don't buy, don't spend money on a game, that needs it to survive is well, just not that cool. I understand being poor, or not having that much cash.. but i would never say Don't buy, and instead try to direct them in a good direction. A few of the champions, with the engines and upgrades they come with are more than worth it on sale.

Fenrisulvyn, on 07 March 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

Have to disagree. The Raven 3L is a great light mech. So much so that I have bought FOUR of them so I can run them all without having to rebuild and swap modules each time.

2 ERL
1 LPL-2MPL
3ML-8SRM
3MPL-4SSRM

Plus, everyone loves having ECM on their side.

I run mine with Extra SRM ammo... Dual SRM4's and just 2 ML's in the arm, with ECM. I find the extra ton of SRM ammo goes a lot farther than the extra heat of the ML

Edited by JC Daxion, 07 March 2015 - 08:24 PM.

[Tarogato]

I agree with Silrace.

Don't buy champions unless...

A. you have a lot of money to spend and just don't care
B. you play this game very infrequently

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Champion mechs, even at 30% off, aren't worth your dollars. The XP bonus is basically worthless over the standard variant.

[Insects]

Champions are great. They are the way to buy the all important XL engine (for some, check specs of course) for the cost of a cup of coffee instead of grinding for hours, plus they are already upgraded.

Everyones $ situation and opinions on spending on a game is different. But hours for a few dollars, many people are happy with that exchange.

Clan champions... Not sure how they would work? Wouldnt be much value in them since there is nothing to upgrade and no removable engine.

[MechWarrior3671771]

JC: " run mine with Extra SRM ammo"

Ah thanks, I'll check that out.

What about the med pulse streak srm? I'm having trouble with the streak lock reticle clouding my normal reticle and mostly end up blindfiring my pulses into the red circle. Is there a way around this?

[TheArcher]

I made the mistake of buying a RVN-3L(C). For some reason, I thought they also provided a CBill bonus, but they don't. Since I've already mastered this variant, there's little point in the XP bonus. I would've been better off paying the 2000MC to convert some of the 1M Mech XP the Raven is sitting on.

The hero and champion bonuses aren't actually listed in the mech details in the client. Otherwise, I might've noticed and made a better decision.

[Voodoomancer]

Purely for the XP bonus, maybe the champs are not worth it. As a way to avoid grinding for the C-bills to upgrade the stock chassis, if you already like the loadout, the champs are great. The Spider and Jenner chassis are also the cheapest way to get their specific XL engines for MC (the XL255 and super-versatile XL300 respectively).

[ShinVector]

Rogue Jedi, on 07 March 2015 - 01:57 AM, said:

while I understand your reasoning, here is another point of view.

a champion Mech is a pay for convenience item, it will save you hours of earning cbills, you get the Mech for real money, they are a way for people who cannot afford to spend a lot of time playing to get a reasonable setup spending few cbills.

Note sure why this error wasn't corrected.
Hero/Founder mech earn bonus Cbills.
Champions only earn bonus XP.

It is to cater for MC rich people who constantly convert mech XP into GXP.
Why ? With GXP you can instantly master any new mech without having to play a single match in it.
Eg. Locust !

Edited by ShinVector, 08 March 2015 - 06:52 PM.

[Kmieciu]

ShinVector, on 08 March 2015 - 06:51 PM, said:

Note sure why this error wasn't corrected.
Hero/Founder mech earn bonus Cbills.
Champions only earn bonus XP.

The person who buys a champion Jenner saves about 10 million C-Bills in grind. SDR-5K(C) for 864 MC is also a good deal (XL255 is a very versatile engine).

[Rogue Jedi]

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while I understand your reasoning, here is another point of view.
a champion Mech is a pay for convenience item, it will save you hours of earning cbills, you get the Mech for real money, they are a way for people who cannot afford to spend a lot of time playing to get a reasonable setup spending few cbills.

ShinVector, on 08 March 2015 - 06:51 PM, said:

Note sure why this error wasn't corrected. Hero/Founder mech earn bonus Cbills. Champions only earn bonus XP. It is to cater for MC rich people who constantly convert mech XP into GXP. Why ? With GXP you can instantly master any new mech without having to play a single match in it.Eg. Locust !

Sorry but I fail to see the error. I, on average, earn about 500,000 Cbills an hour, the average Champion build would cost at least 10,000,000 cbills to purchase and outfit the Mech so by spending less than half an hours pay I get a Champion instead of spending 20 hours earning cbills to buy the Mech

Edited by Rogue Jedi, 09 March 2015 - 03:14 AM.

[ShinVector]

Rogue Jedi, on 09 March 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

Sorry but I fail to see the error. I, on average, earn about 500,000 Cbills an hour, the average Champion build would cost at least 10,000,000 cbills to purchase and outfit the Mech so by spending less than half an hours pay I get a Champion instead of spending 20 hours earning cbills to buy the Mech

I see your point. I was focus more on the 30% XP bonus thinking people who buy that champion version actually like the mech and want the bonus.
Else they might probably go for the mastery packs. Heros and Champions included.

The only thing you can't buy in the game is XP which converts to GXP.

[JC Daxion]

Fenrisulvyn, on 08 March 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

JC: " run mine with Extra SRM ammo"

Ah thanks, I'll check that out.

What about the med pulse streak srm? I'm having trouble with the streak lock reticle clouding my normal reticle and mostly end up blindfiring my pulses into the red circle. Is there a way around this?

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. Are you just having an issue with not being able to tell if you hit something? or if you are hitting something, and not sure if you are locked? I have tried streaks on a raven before, a good while back, and i just find um lack luster on a light, for the weight, going with regular SRM's to me is better. I have heard people say on a commando, running 3 streaks is pretty decent, but i have not tried that, and instead run SRM2's but that is kinda going off the point.

I know there are some issues with Bap and ECM, the Bap doesn't counter right with ECM? (from what i have read) But on a non ECM mech, BAP+TAG+Artemis=Super fast streak lock. While artemis isn't technically suppose to work this way on the streaks, or so i am told, in MWO it does, and adding no extra weight on streaks, it is a worth while upgrade. Basically a c-bill only upgrade that is better all around, unless of course this has been changed recently.

[DarkonFullPower]

Tarogato, on 07 March 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

Don't buy champions unless...

A. you have a lot of money to spend and just don't care
B. you play this game very infrequently

C. You sell the mech champion right away to get better C-Bills per MC then the C-Bill Bundles. (*cough* CDA-2A(C) *cough* http://mwomercs.com/...25#entry3300225 *cough*)

Edited by DarkonFullPower, 09 March 2015 - 11:47 AM.