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[LordKnightFandragon]

N0MAD, on 11 March 2015 - 06:39 PM, said:

But doesnt WOT primarily base its MM on class or tier of tank? meaning that if you are driving say a Tier that is in the higher tiers you come against guys that have a certain number of games up their belt?using a similar tier tank? and these tiers are are achieved via playing games to unlock that tier, are your put in a game in your tier 1 tank vs a tier 5 tank? not really sure not played it but there are quite a few guys in our TS that play it and i hear them say " hey lets jump into this tier tank"

Yeah, on the surface it uses your tank's MM weight, tier 8 tanks have a MM weight of 40, the hgiher tier tanks have like 48 and so on. How that plays into MM idk....Your MM weight probably is lowered if your tank is not elited, or is not using all the top tier modules and stuff.....but the MM goes way beyond just that.

[Corbenik]

Lily from animove, on 12 March 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

this, sometiems you have poeple in your teams or the opponents that seem to have no idea about the game and then get crushed within a few seconds. Ad then you know something with the elo distribution went horribly wrong. Espeically when in a match an entire team has only 2 or 3 people goind past 100 damage.

But I think this is the issue with the "skill curve" There is that small area where people are rather similar good/bad, then there is an area where skill suddenly has a good bunch of increase.

and so on low elo, the guy being 50 elo below the other low elo guy may not differ much, but in higher elo, those 50 elo make probably a big difference and so when a MM makes a 100 elo discrepancy in a match on low mid elo, its not that bad, but then when this happens on higher elo ranks, it can have a lot more impact.

you know what i also hate about that when you get 2-3 assaults that get disconnected, never come back and there goes 300 tons of might have stood a chance. they should add Elo icons higher elos would be the "vets" with a distinguishing mark like a vet officer, that way you know who knows what they are doing and low elo people with private ensign icons then we can all see how many low people in the MM are grouped up in the teams with the messed up mm,

[Scyther]

I find the WoT matchmaker to be far worse than MWO's. That is from a game with far FAR more resources, dev time, players in queue etc to do a better job (if they wanted to).

So while I don't like getting steamrolled 3-4 games in a row either, it sure beats getting rolled 12-15 times like you can in WoT. (Just for the record, I do like WoT and think it is a great game, MWO could learn a lot from it. But not from their MM)

I also find changing mechs/weight class has a much bigger effect on my MM in MWO than it does in WoT, another good point.

[C E Dwyer]

Vandul, on 11 March 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Let me make sure I understand this

Because we dont have enough threads about matchmaking, you copied a matchmaking rant thread from another game and changed it to our game and posted it here?

No what he is doing is taking an example, to show its not just here that is supposed to be broken, but its in fact across games, I just think it would be more valid if it had been left alone and not MWO'd

[Bobzilla]

The frustration comes from doing well and losing. You start to realize your contribution is very small.

If someone started a new account and dropped repeatedly doing absolutely nothing, their w/l would end up very close to 1.

Of course this means you'll do bad and win sometimes, but people forget instances like that.

It may seem like you're not affecting your ELO, but if your w/L is over 1, you are better than 50% of players.

[CocoaJin]

Iskareot, on 11 March 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

NOW THEN.. on a side note I dont know if we have the population for that anymore. I keep seeing the same guys in some drops and that is a scary thing... seeing the same 24 people over and over in drops is not a good thing really.

If you see the same people all the time it can mean one of two things, you play off-peak....or you are in an ELO bracket(likely if you play in-peak).

If you are in an ELO bracket, you are likely an exceptional player compared to most of us. Since population is so small, I'd bet there is no more than three brackets, with the rest of us all playing in the middle bracket(the center 1/3 of the Bell Curve). So the question is...What kind of exception are you, good or bad? Do you see lots of good players or bad?

[Davers]

CocoaJin, on 12 March 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

If you see the same people all the time it can mean one of two things, you play off-peak....or you are in an ELO bracket(likely if you play in-peak).

If you are in an ELO bracket, you are likely an exceptional player compared to most of us. Since population is so small, I'd bet there is no more than three brackets, with the rest of us all playing in the middle bracket(the center 1/3 of the Bell Curve). So the question is...What kind of exception are you, good or bad? Do you see lots of good players or bad?

They actually dumped the '3 Elo Bucket' idea. It was too hard for the top tier to find matches.

[Theodore42]

A lot of replies in this thread seem to be players complaining that they are placed on teams with newbies.

The problem is that the better you are, the fewer players there are at your skill level for MM to pair you with. When I play during peak hours, my team is often quite competent. I might only say one or two things on voip, if anything at all.

During the slower hours, when I look around and see a lot of default green mechs, I know that there is going to be a pretty large range of skills (that means more newbies on my team). During these matches I seem to use voip much more often. In fact, sometimes I feel like a sheep herder, where my job is to keep the default greens out of the red team's line of fire.

During these high range Elo matches, there are as many newbies on the red team as on yours (approximately, usually, I assume). So make your newbies superior to the Red team's by communicating to them either a good position to be in, or tell them when they're about to be in a bad position so they don't die needlessly. Newbies are NOT useless, but if left to their own devices, they might find themselves in a 4 v 10 situation and die instantly. This usually leads to a stomp, or at least a loss. If you get them in a good position where they can cause at least as much damage as they take (or at the very least tank damage for more skilled players) then you're going to win.

It would be great to be in a bracket with only people around your Elo but MM would take forever to find a match. Also, how are newbies going to get good playing only against newbies?

Sure, I wish I could only play against players that are as good or better than me, but there just isn't the player pool to make these kinds of matches during most hours of the day.

[CocoaJin]

Davers, on 12 March 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

They actually dumped the '3 Elo Bucket' idea. It was too hard for the top tier to find matches.

So we have two brackets more or less split down the Bell Curve? Then good players should only really see "average to above average" players...where is all these reported noobs and slobbering bafoons coming from for supposed good players?

The only people who should be seeing lots of noobs would be average and and below average players...hmmm, since the average and below average population would constitute the vast majority(like 70-80%) of the low ELO bracket(thats a lot of people), that would mean...uh-ohhhhhh, no wonder there are tons of complaints about bad players...those complainers don't realize how bad they really are

Edited by CocoaJin, 12 March 2015 - 10:03 PM.

[N0MAD]

Reality check here guys, no MM is going to work with a small pop...
Live with it.