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[Noesis]

Lily from animove, on 16 March 2015 - 07:05 AM, said:

When no war can happen, (for whatever reason) thats actually peace. Maybe not love, but still no killing each other.

I think you need to be more pro-active about "winning the peace" personally.

[Lily from animove]

Noesis, on 17 March 2015 - 12:08 AM, said:

I think you need to be more pro-active about "winning the peace" personally.

We want to end war, not to win peace. Winnign sounds so, egoistic. And if peace applies everyone is a winner.

[Chef Kerensky]

When the shooting stops, we all lose - Wisdom of Dear Coordinator

[Noesis]

Lily from animove, on 18 March 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:

We want to end war, not to win peace. Winnign sounds so, egoistic. And if peace applies everyone is a winner.

Well it doesn't have to be egotistical to win the peace. It is more a question of purpose and responsibility.

Besides you use the term "Winning" in the title of the thread.

As the Invader however there is more emphasis on ensuring that the people you aggressed feel safe and secure. This aswell as purposefully restoring peace to all the planets you upset and destabalised in attacking them. That and all the macro social, political and economic effects of taking over new territory from other cultures.

The Clans purpose or philosphies in taking over terra or invading in the first place is to restore the SLDF. The idea behind this is to allow for mankind to stop warring and to live in a state of prosperity and peace.

So I think there is more to consider here in terms of being more proactive in terms of things you would have to do in order for some semblance of "peace" to exist.

Edited by Noesis, 18 March 2015 - 03:50 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Noesis, on 18 March 2015 - 03:32 AM, said:

Well it doesn't have to be egotistical to win the peace. It is more a question of purpose and responsibility.

Besides you use the term "Winning" in the title of the thread.

As the Invader however there is more emphasis on ensuring that the people you aggressed feel safe and secure. This aswell as purposefully restoring peace to all the planets you upset and destabalised in attacking them. That and all the macro social, political and economic effects of taking over new territory from other cultures.

The Clans purpose or philosphies in taking over terra or invading in the first place is to restore the SLDF. The idea behind this is to allow for mankind to stop warring and to live in a state of prosperity and peace.

So I think there is more to consider here in terms of being more proactive in terms of things you would have to do in order for some semblance of "peace" to exist.

yes winning in the term of the original goal, meaning ending the IS selfdestructible behavior.

conquering terra is not to rebuild the SLDF, rebuilding SLDF is one goal to get peace. But whoever controls terra controls the IS because of the HPG's. So terra is the initial and most easy way to achieve this goal.

And so, no we don't need to win more proactive. We break logistics of war, war stops poeple may do better thins than killing each other.

[Noesis]

Lily from animove, on 18 March 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

yes winning in the term of the original goal, meaning ending the IS selfdestructible behavior.

conquering terra is not to rebuild the SLDF, rebuilding SLDF is one goal to get peace. But whoever controls terra controls the IS because of the HPG's. So terra is the initial and most easy way to achieve this goal.

And so, no we don't need to win more proactive. We break logistics of war, war stops poeple may do better thins than killing each other.

I never said conquering Terra would be preventative to restoring the SLDF. However it is one of the recognised invasion goals in terms of helping to determine the ilClan and also that Terra is the traditional recognised seat of power for the IS. HPG's are all over the galaxy and doesn't just need Terra to control them. Though the technological advantage of Terra itself and COMSTAR who hold the key to the Tech recognise Terra as their home planet, but they could control the HPGs from anywhere. Other than the large proportion of tech on the planet itself there isn't any real purposeful aim to needing Terra for logistical purposes.

Stopping war is not winning the peace though and I personally find the idea of not being proactive about restoring the aims and purposes of peace to be rather naive and/or irresponsible. To think peace "just happens" doesnt really sit with me. It is something you have to work at, otherwise there would be no need for diplomacy. The socio-economic factors then something that requires investment effort and negotiation in re-building relations and trust with other factions, organisations etc.

Also the SLDF is/was a "defense force". It is a necessary evil as a deterent for other parties not waging war and then recognised as the policing factor in defending the IS from external invaders in whatever form. So the logistics of war wouldn't completely go away at all.

I therefore continue to uphold the idea that peace is something you have to work at as a part of rebuilding and fostering good relations with other parties.


(e.g. http://en.wikipedia....i/Marshall_Plan )

Edited by Noesis, 18 March 2015 - 11:52 AM.

[Richard Warts]

UberStuka, on 12 March 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

I highly doubt clan wolf would ever make a terra bid. they do have player base #'s but from my experience the worst pilots

[callmejon]

Gyrok, on 12 March 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

Of course you were, you were fighting pugs while the rest were defending/attacking other targets.

FRR thought it was fun too...until the organized units drop against them.

i have to say Delta Galaxy myself and the 1COG unit enjoyed ourselves smashing you guys the other night i think we only lost once or twice to you guys the other night but the planet ended up in our hands GG's btw the only problem we have seen in FRR space was MS's return to wolf space, hope to see you guys on the field again.
Kind regards