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[Appogee]

The Inner Sphere's cunning strategy - making the Clans bored with winning Community Warfare matches - is finally paying dividends!

Edited by Appogee, 16 March 2015 - 11:20 PM.

[VoodooLou Kerensky]

Yeah youve got us all reeling against the ropes with the inability to control attack lanes. I know its a lot of coding to get all the jump lines plugged in and linked, but who knows if players will ever get control of attack vectors instead of The Intern known by their code name Al Gorythm.

[Leeroy Mechkins]

Well, its going to be Smoke Jaguar or Jade Falcon getting to Terra first.
They only have to fight one front.
Poor Wolf and Bear have to mop up and play defence for the future IllKlans.

All you Wolf and Bear excited about dropping against FRR are only being servants of Jade Falcon and Smoke Jaguar. Guarding their rearward borders while they go for the glory.

Even if you take FRR planets, it will simply expand again at some point. Like the last time.
Fighting FRR is only distracting you two middle clans while Falcons and Jaguars will get the prize.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 10:18 AM.

[AlmightyAeng]

Wingbreaker, on 13 March 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

WHAT IS THIS, A LEGEND FOR ANTS?

It needs to be at least...three times bigger!

[_Comrade_]

Leeroy Mechkins, on 19 March 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

Well, its going to be Smoke Jaguar or Jade Falcon getting to Terra first.
They only have to fight one front.
Poor Wolf and Bear have to mop up and play defence for the future IllKlans.

All you Wolf and Bear excited about dropping against FRR are only being servants of Jade Falcon and Smoke Jaguar. Guarding their rearward borders while they go for the glory.

Even if you take FRR planets, it will simply expand again at some point. Like the last time.
Fighting FRR is only distracting you two middle clans while Falcons and Jaguars will get the prize.

regardless of who takes Terra first it will be a clan victory as it proves that the clans are superior to the inner sphere stravags. The whole "my clan needs to get to terra first screw the other clans" is not productive nor is it good strategy. Clans need to zerg together, when Smoke Jag is attacking Kurita....so too should Ghost Bear, when Jade Falcon is attacking Steiner so too. should Wolf. And when one clan gets close to Terra we should all help them capture it.

A lot of clanners can not grasp the advantage that we have other the IS. We don't need planets, our only objective is Terra....whereas the IS factions do need planets! Planets like Wolcott or Bone-Normen is nothing to a crusader like myself, the only thing that matters is that we have a path to Terra. That is why clans need to stop worrying about the FRR rebellion or if a clan sneaks attacks one of your backwater planets. Who cares! As long as you are able to continuing advancing toward Terra it doesn't matter what they take in the rear.

Edited by Grimwill, 19 March 2015 - 02:23 PM.

[Leeroy Mechkins]

Grimwill, on 19 March 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

regardless of who takes Terra first it will be a clan victory as it proves that the clans are superior to the inner sphere stravags. The whole "my clan needs to get to terra first screw the other clans" is not productive nor is it good strategy. Clans need to zerg together, when Smoke Jag is attacking Kurita....so too should Ghost Bear, when Jade Falcon is attacking Steiner so too. should Wolf. And when one clan gets close to Terra we should all help them capture it.

A lot of clanners can not grasp the advantage that we have other the IS. We don't need planets, our only objective is Terra....whereas the IS factions do need planets! Planets like Wolcott or Bone-Normen is nothing to a crusader like myself, the only thing that matters is that we have a path to Terra. That is why clans need to stop worrying about the FRR rebellion or if a clan sneaks attacks one of your backwater planets. Who cares! As long as you are able to continuing advancing toward Terra it doesn't matter what they take in the rear.

As I said, Falcon or Jaguar think you Wolf or Bear are chumps. Their goal is Terra and they will make rhetoric to have you do their grunt work. They will "happen" to be closest and thus need your help to become your IllKhan. Enjoy being second fiddle.

There can only be one. This is the lore, this is the mechanics of the game. Pretend you have clan unity if you like, that is not how the lore and game mechanics have set it up.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 05:21 PM.

[Estherakrin]

Not really sure what your point is considering the map is pretty neck n neck right now m8.

[Leeroy Mechkins]

Not with Wolf dropping vs FRR in an unwinnable war, while CJF and CSJ push for the win. Its pretty clear the middle clans are propping up the side clans to win. Noesis puts the side clans about 10 planets ahead, soon to be 20 or 30.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 07:30 PM.

[Estherakrin]

Whoever wins at this point will do so depending on what merc group decides to give one side an edge, whether or not the algorithm decides to be a fair mistress, and even when we do get there Terra was sucked into a black hole and is currently inhabiting a parallel dimension known as the PGIverse. If the fight with FRR is an unwinnable war then the whole thing is an unwinnable game no?

[Leeroy Mechkins]

FRR bear no ill will vs Wolf or Bear, its fun matches vs honorable opponents.

By winnable vs unwinnable, I was contrasting how the race for Terra is a real achievable goal with an end point, while conflict between Wolf/Bear/FRR has no end point.

The race for Terra IS winnable for clans. Its a feature of the game. It will probably be enabled by devs at some point. If one of you clans becomes the IlKlan, I hope its Wolf or Bear.
Wolf and Bear both lore-wise and in-game are much more honorable than the smug clans at both sides.

I just noticed that Wolf seems to be misled by the fake unity rhetoric by Falcon and Jaguar.
Their lead will soon become impossible to overtake and if you leave it till later to catch up, you will not.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 08:18 PM.

[Estherakrin]

You are right, I think Wolf should petition being able to take all FRR worlds so then we won't have to worry about two fronts anymore.

[Leeroy Mechkins]

Also, either only Wolf or Falcon will get the attack lane to Terra, one will block the other, so not sure why Wolf supports Falcon. This is a fact Falcon would like Wolf not to notice.
If Falcon gets 20 planet lead and blocks Wolf attack path and invokes no infighting due to "clan unity", race for Terra is game over for Wolf.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 08:26 PM.

[jeirhart]

Leeroy Mechkins, on 19 March 2015 - 08:21 PM, said:

Also, either only Wolf or Falcon will get the attack lane to Terra, one will block the other, so not sure why Wolf supports Falcon. This is a fact Falcon would like Wolf not to notice.
If Falcon gets 20 planet lead and blocks Wolf attack path and invokes no infighting due to "clan unity", race for Terra is game over for Wolf.

Are you suggesting that Falcon would race across Kurita and cut off Wolf?

That we would intentionally pick a fight with the proven powerhouse of the Draconis Combine (with all IS houses willing to support them) while simultaneously having to fend off belligerent Steiners and deal with hungry Wolves looking to cut a path through us towards Terra?

Just how big do you think the Falcon population is that we could do these things? Us and what army?

[Leeroy Mechkins]

Falcon took 100 worlds. How many does Wolf have?
Falcon hires Mercs. Falcon has many loyalists highly active in CW.
Falcon likes to appear weak but is around 10 worlds ahead of Wolf and Bear to Terra.
Kerensky's clan is getting out strategized by their sneaky western neighbours.

CJF wants Wolves to waste time on FRR while it cuts ahead of Wolf.
I expect CJF to push as deep into Steiner as possible then cut across Kurita to Terra, blocking Wolf.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 10:32 PM.

[LightTreason]

jeirhart, on 19 March 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Are you suggesting that Falcon would race across Kurita and cut off Wolf?

That we would intentionally pick a fight with the proven powerhouse of the Draconis Combine (with all IS houses willing to support them) while simultaneously having to fend off belligerent Steiners and deal with hungry Wolves looking to cut a path through us towards Terra?

Just how big do you think the Falcon population is that we could do these things? Us and what army?

This is literally already happening

[jeirhart]

Leeroy Mechkins, on 19 March 2015 - 09:46 PM, said:

Falcon took 100 worlds. How many does Wolf have?
Falcon hires Mercs. Falcon has many loyalists highly active in CW.
Falcon likes to appear weak but is around 10 worlds ahead of Wolf and Bear to Terra.
Kerensky's clan is getting out strategized by their sneaky western neighbours.

CJF wants Wolves to waste time on FRR while it cuts ahead of Wolf.
I expect CJF to push as deep into Steiner as possible then cut across Kurita to Terra, blocking Wolf.

Falcon took 100 planets at our peak. We are not at 100 planets anymore. Wolves have caught up.
Falcon has not hired mercenaries. A few smaller groups have joined our faction from time to time but none of the massive ones. You may be thinking of CGB (-MS- and CI), CW (-MS-), or CSJ (228th).
Falcon is ahead of Bear as they have... declined in population. Wolves have had MercStar twice and continue to push when they are not there.
Falcon strategy is to push down the Steiner/Kurita border to get towards Terra. Nothing sneaky about that.

CJF would like the FRR faction to be eliminated so Wolves can push through Kurita and maybe even get a Steiner border to share the Steiner load. Unfortunately factions can not be "eliminated" so whatever Wolves do is up to them.
We will push to the very tip of Steiner and then go through Kurita by the best method possible. We will have to see where Wolves are then.

LightTreason, on 19 March 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:

This is literally already happening

Kurita attacked first while we were already dealing with the Steiner zerg. We really want the Wolves to get the Kurita attack corridor removed from our border. Wolves are at no risk of being cut off by CJF.

[Leeroy Mechkins]

In other words, CJF wants the wolves to take the heat off them while they increase their 10 planet lead over the wolves.

[jeirhart]

Leeroy Mechkins, on 19 March 2015 - 10:57 PM, said:

In other words, CJF wants the wolves to take the heat off them while they increase their 10 planet lead over the wolves.

And FRR does not want the rest of the IS to take the heat of them while they increase their pocket of planets?

Right now Clan Jade Falcon has to deal with both Kurita and Steiner, both with populations multiple times our size. We will fight and beat groups from both. Unfortunately population is king.

[ICE KING KERENSKY]

Grimwill, on 19 March 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

regardless of who takes Terra first it will be a clan victory as it proves that the clans are superior to the inner sphere stravags. The whole "my clan needs to get to terra first screw the other clans" is not productive nor is it good strategy. Clans need to zerg together, when Smoke Jag is attacking Kurita....so too should Ghost Bear, when Jade Falcon is attacking Steiner so too. should Wolf. And when one clan gets close to Terra we should all help them capture it.

A lot of clanners can not grasp the advantage that we have other the IS. We don't need planets, our only objective is Terra....whereas the IS factions do need planets! Planets like Wolcott or Bone-Normen is nothing to a crusader like myself, the only thing that matters is that we have a path to Terra. That is why clans need to stop worrying about the FRR rebellion or if a clan sneaks attacks one of your backwater planets. Who cares! As long as you are able to continuing advancing toward Terra it doesn't matter what they take in the rear.

Are you a real person?

[Leeroy Mechkins]

FRR are a viking nation erupting from Rasalhague whenever we feel like some mech bashing.
Do you think FRR seriously expects to hold on to significant territory for long in the middle of 2 clans?
Nay, its about the good fights.
If we fail in an offensive, we simply return to Rasalhague in our longboats and await a new raiding season.
Like the House Greyjoy words, we do not sow.

Now the clans on the other hand have fixed objectives.
Terra. There can only be one.
You guys can pretend unity, but CJF want to be the overlords.
Clan Wolf may want to avoid ending up as CJF's Lycan slave underclass.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 19 March 2015 - 11:20 PM.