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[Madcap72]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

Dear god! I thought the Orion was big for its weight and attracted too much attention! I grow more fearful
with each moment...

At least this soothes my nerves.

It's hard to see the different pixels' colors, but orange = firing exposure, yellow = total

Done.

Objective analysis is OP PGI plz nerf!

[Xetelian]

Wow and I thought the IFR was too big? This thing is a catastrophe

[Tool Box]

xe N on, on 14 March 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

Grasshopper is DOA.

I love when people declare things doa ... nothing is truly bad until tested in the trials of combat.

[Finn McShae]

I'm glad to see they made the Zeus not as fat chested as the Awesome, haven't seen it from the side to see if the torso sticks out but I like what I see. Not that it would have mattered, I would run it even it if had/has Awesome Ctorsoitis.

Hopper looks slim but tall, seems good to me.

I think I'm alone in the camp that says scaling doesn't matter much, and I don't get over cry-baby about it. Could it be better, sure, but its a non issue to me. If a mech is bigger than a Cicada then they are about all just as easy to hit at any range FOR ME.

Either way, I'm excited to Zeus, and kinda exited to 'Hopper (only because I'm not really into laser vomit as a playstyle).

[Deadeye2907]

Spent $35 on JUST the Grasshoppers... Anyone know if PGI has ever fixed a model/'mech in the past? Or are they going to be this tall forever

[Greenjulius]

Deadeye2907, on 13 April 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

Spent $35 on JUST the Grasshoppers... Anyone know if PGI has ever fixed a model/'mech in the past? Or are they going to be this tall forever

Never has happened. Only hitbox changes are made.

Sorry to say we're stuck with it being too tall. It's not a terrible mech, but you'll never hear anyone say it's OP.

It's amusing that it suffers from the exact same issues as it's smaller clone, the Quickdraw.

Edited by Greenjulius, 13 April 2015 - 04:38 PM.

[Deadeye2907]

Greenjulius, on 13 April 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

Never has happened. Only hitbox changes are made.

Sorry to say we're stuck with it being too tall. It's not a terrible mech, but you'll never hear anyone say it's OP.

It's amusing that it suffers from the exact same issues as it's smaller clone, the Quickdraw.

I didn't get a Quickdraw because I thought they were too large... I really should have checked the forums before buying them

Edited by Deadeye2907, 13 April 2015 - 04:43 PM.

[Xetelian]

This is why I feel bad for people who bought the Resistance packs.

[Greenjulius]

Deadeye2907, on 13 April 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

I didn't get a Quickdraw because I thought they were too large... I really should have checked the forums before buying them

The Zeus and Enforcer are my favorites from the pack. I don't like the Panther. Can't convince myself to waste any more time with it. I basically despise the Grasshopper. I'm sure people will have good games in them, but I feel like the Gargoyle is a significantly better mech because: Clan Laser Vomit. Hoverjets don't help the hopper. So you're stuck with a short range laser vomiting mech that gets force-fired on any time it shows up, because it's so big.

IS laser vomit is terrible unless range quirked, which the hopper didn't get. So, it's going in the trash bin until PGI decides to make it worthwhile again.

Edited by Greenjulius, 13 April 2015 - 04:48 PM.

[Burktross]

Xetelian, on 13 April 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

This is why I feel bad for people who bought the Resistance packs.

Don't.
I'm having a blast with my pack (up to the Hopper, at least. Assaults ain't my thing.)

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Xetelian, on 15 March 2015 - 07:57 PM, said:

Wow and I thought the IFR was too big? This thing is a catastrophe

*shrug* I don't find the size to be an issue.

[El Bandito]

Madcap72, on 15 March 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

Objective analysis is OP PGI plz nerf!

Comparing the Hopper with a mech that is notorious for very low slung arms and bad torsi hitboxes is not helping much. This is like comparing the Zeus with the Awesome and saying Zeus is a great.

Mirumoto Izanami, on 13 April 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

*shrug* I don't find the size to be an issue.

It certainly attracts my fire more than it should due to its height and width. Not because it is a lethal machine like that of the Jager, or Ilya, but just cause it is so easy to spot among crowds.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 April 2015 - 05:39 PM.

[Burktross]

El Bandito, on 13 April 2015 - 05:37 PM, said:

Comparing the Hopper with a mech that is notorious for very low slung arms and bad torsi hitboxes is not helping much. This is like comparing the Zeus with the Awesome and saying Zeus is a great.

The Phract (was, atleast) considered a great 70tonner, no? Was it not be fair to compare the firestarter to the jenner at the time of the former's imminent release?

[El Bandito]

Burktross, on 13 April 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

The Phract (was, atleast) considered a great 70tonner, no? Was it not be fair to compare the firestarter to the jenner at the time of the former's imminent release?

1. Only the poptarting 3D and the Ilya. 3D is now a goner due to JJ/PPC/Gauss nerfs. Ilya is still doing ok thanks to triple ballistic hardpoints.

2. Firestarter and Jenner comparison is simply not fair due to their profiles. One is humanoid with arm-shield, the other is a box troll with a "Hit me" sign on its CT. They still cannot be compared even today.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 April 2015 - 05:48 PM.

[Deathlike]

El Bandito, on 13 April 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

3. Firestarter and Jenner comparison is simply not fair due to their profiles. One is humanoid, the other is a box troll.

Why are you so mean?

She's well rounded.

However, I do like trolling with her.

[Kjudoon]

Xetelian, on 13 April 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

This is why I feel bad for people who bought the Resistance packs.

Well, all packs can't be solid OP crutch collections.

Edited by Kjudoon, 13 April 2015 - 06:37 PM.

[El Bandito]

Kjudoon, on 13 April 2015 - 06:31 PM, said:

Well, all packs can't be solid OP crutch collections.

While this is true, I really wish PGI stop doing such scaling errors in the future--for its own sake. A properly scaled Light/Medium/Heavy simply sells more. As is, I am not gonna touch the GHR, even though I wrote dozens of posts in the past, championing its inclusion in MWO, over the BK. I am not gonna touch the BK either, if it turns out to be Assault sized too.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 April 2015 - 09:14 PM.

[DaZur]

I dunno... I'm largely ambivalent.

I'm not about to stop eating Burger King Whoppers because they don't look like their advertisements... They are equally tasty, provide sustenance (granted arguable) and while not as cheap as a Big Mac it's not a Hardee's gourmet burger.

Oh we can debate all day whether I'm getting my monies worth but at the end of the day... I'm not inclined to deprive myself the enjoyment of playing with new toys to prove a point...

I love my Whoppers... and I love my new robot toys.

Edited by DaZur, 14 April 2015 - 07:15 AM.

[CptGier]

We all know PGI cant scale correctly...what of it?

[Mirumoto Izanami]

CptGier, on 14 April 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

We all know PGI cant scale correctly...what of it?

Which is said. If they had based their scaling on a set ratio of hit point density, it would have all worked perfectly. Keep it so all mechs have X:Y ratio of hitpoints to surface area unit by sections, and adjust model sizes and/or section structure/armor quirks (keeping as close to standard Structure+armor as possible) as needed.