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[Hit the Deck]

Koniving, on 23 March 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

My builds -- as you even implied here -- are things that enemies won't notice as much. That is a factor in why it works so well for me. Yours on the other hand send off alarms. A huge, universal priority, anyone and everyone knows "AC/20 + 3 SRM-6" = Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!
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Good luck guys!

Since I don't own a Heavy Metal, I tried to replicate your build in this HGN-733C. It's sad to say that I haven't been successful with it. In today's fast TTK, you can't brawl with the enemies unless you isolate one and it's a rare occasion for that to happen (less so when you're piloting a Light). More often than not, I only have a couple of seconds window of opportunity where I can shoot/engage the enemies.

I think a "DPS" build like this kind would be more successful for me if I use it on a relatively fast heavy or medium, where I can dictate who, when, and where I want to fight. But in this situation, why don't I choose to use a "skirmisher" build like you mentioned? Using a high-PPFLD-low-endurance build I can go in, shoot, and fade without taking too much damage/risk. Then it practically goes back to the "meta" again. Oh well.

BTW, I think it makes sense why they/we/everyone choose to use a high PPFLD in 12 vs 12 matches (I don't participate in one). Your team sees an enemy and a couple of seconds later he's dead from focus fire. Actually, I always outfitted my lances with PPFLD weapons like PPCs in MechCommander 1 and 2 (good games) because it's better to do it this way.

I'm not saying that I don't approve your DPS builds but for me I think PPFLD builds suit me better. That's why my HBK-4G performs so well.

[Big Tin Man]

Not interested until they fix this issue:

[Dagon Zur]

I'm a stubborn HGN pilot and still prefer my Heavy Metal to any new meta mech (which I also mastered, and play often),

Just a few toughts of my own regarding HGNs:

Aiming medium lasers from HGN 733C,732, 733 torso, in a short range engagement is terrible. You can't track fast moving targets. Heavy metal can do it with ease tho, thanx to arm mounted lasers.

Also, HGN-733C does not have lower arm actuators (horizontal arm movement) for LBX10+AC2 target tracking which makes it even more less accurate, as you must track targets with your slow torso.

The closer and faster your target is, the more difficult is to track it if you lack agility. If you want to brawl with 733C, choose heavy and assault targets. Leave lights and mediums to your support teammates, which you must have when running such a build.

Slow torso is one of the reasons why i currently don't use SRMs on Highlanders. In a SRM brawler HGN, you can hit an Atlas, but a Hunchback brawler will evade and demolish you, and you will feel silly with your useless 90 ton brawler.

I always felt HGNs as true support assault (medium to long range) , it has high weapon mounts, good mix of ballistic/energy/missile hardpoints and JJs for positioning. If you use that advantage, it can still be viable.

I don't brawl in my HGN's because of Atlases (STD) and Victors(XL) are waaay better for brawling,

Regarding Kon's build, I tried it, it is fun, but I think my own Heavy Metal with 2xAC5,3xLPLAS,XL330,1JJ, 16DHS works better for me, at least in current meta.

"The Pink Terror"
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...7debd56ae512a0b

..it has a good compromise of alpha/DPS/accuracy and you can choose between different styles of attack:
1.) peeking-with-1-arm-behind-vertical-cover, for initial trades..
2.) alpha-then-torso-twist-to-tank, when engaged in a brawl..
3.) stay-on-target , great burst DPS with two AC5 and three LPL, don't do it with Atlas, DW or Crab, anything else, you kill or disable withhin seconds.

I think it is also a playstyle thing, to each pilot its own finesse.

What works for me does not have to be good for others tho..

[Hit the Deck]

Dagon Zur, on 24 March 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

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Also, HGN-733C does not have lower arm actuators (horizontal arm movement) for LBX10+AC2 target tracking which makes it even more less accurate, as you must track targets with your slow torso.
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You still get 10 degree of arm twist because of the left arm which is enough IMO.

[Dagon Zur]

Hit the Deck, on 24 March 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

You still get 10 degree of arm twist because of the left arm which is enough IMO.

True, but try actuators on Victor K/DS ,HGN 732/HM, Thunderbolt-5S or Battlemaster 1G , it is way faster, more angle, never have to worry about fast targets, nothing can escape tracking. It is a good advantage on a mech with lower agility..
The drawback is that you can't mount AC20 or 2xUAC5..

GAUSS+AC2 was a great combo on such mechs, but is weaker after AC2 RoF nerf, can't supress properly, that's why i'm back on 2xAC5.

[Shell Game]

Hit the Deck, on 22 March 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

Koniving, you often use builds utilizing a mish-mash of relatively "low damage weapons" which intrigues me. I never paid special attention to this kind of DPS build. I think I'll try one someday on my Highlanders (love em!).


EDIT: Compared to you, I always use these standard "Atlas-twist-and-shoot" builds. I think I'm still trapped in the "meta" thought process, which is to do damage as high as possible in the shortest amount of (face) time.

HGN-733C, STD325
HGN-733C, XL325

I actually found Koniving's build to be a lot more playable for my play style after replacing LB-10X with an AC/10 and the appropriate cool down module. I found the knockdown power to improve some with that change.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Dagon Zur, on 24 March 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

Regarding Kon's build, I tried it, it is fun, but I think my own Heavy Metal with 2xAC5,3xLPLAS,XL330,1JJ, 16DHS works better for me, at least in current meta.

It works well,i personally sometimes change the autocannons for a gauss rifle and some extra cooling.
I dont own a 732,but the 3LPL + Gauss would probably work better in it since the hardpoints are at the same side.