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[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

I've been noticing a few names [of which I will not name here due to the NaS policy], that consistantly, every match, TK 1-3 players, then either leave, get themselves killed, or force the team to TK them.

They are never removed from games, and I have seen them gloating that even if they get banned, they will simply make a new account.

So... PGI... IP banning, is it possible? And if so, why hasn't it been done already to these known offenders?

[Lily from animove]

IP bans, do they have any point?

Answer: NO.

for further question ask your world wide web search engine.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Lily from animove, on 20 March 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

IP bans, do they have any point?

Answer: NO.

for further question ask your world wide web search engine.

What do you mean do they have any point?

IP bans, unless someone is literally, so hardcore a troll, that they go through the trouble of changing their IP, help's lessen this kind of behavior.

My first match of the day today, ended up with one of these *******, I took care of it myself because both my team, AND the enemy team, saw this guy and knew he was a problem.

At least with the threat of IP banning, there's a chance that you won't see as much of this type of behavior.

[Lily from animove]

Flash Frame, on 20 March 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

What do you mean do they have any point?

IP bans, unless someone is literally, so hardcore a troll, that they go through the trouble of changing their IP, help's lessen this kind of behavior.

My first match of the day today, ended up with one of these *******, I took care of it myself because both my team, AND the enemy team, saw this guy and knew he was a problem.

At least with the threat of IP banning, there's a chance that you won't see as much of this type of behavior.

do you knwo what you have to do to change your ip? how can you call this "trouble"? it's not.

Not even hardware bans work.

Edited by Lily from animove, 20 March 2015 - 08:30 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Lily from animove, on 20 March 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

do you knwo what you ahve to do to change your ip? how can you call this "trouble" its not.

Not even hardware bans work.

Then how about instead of being negative, you offer up a solution? Because just yelling "NOTHING WORKS!" isn't helping the issue.

[Dillirium]

IP Bans are really easy to get around.. Reset your modem (if it's DHCP) and bam you have a new IP.

Mac address ban is better but can be spoofed.

Subnet ban, is my favorite but would kill friendlies as well

[Otto Cannon]

IP bans are utterly useless. Unless you have to pay to create an account in the game there is absolutely no way to stop or significantly slow down griefers. In a FTP game like this you just have to live with meeting the rare sad cases occasionally.

[Rhaythe]

Mm, IP Bans. And POOF. Every player on a given college dorm wing can no longer play the game.

[Otto Cannon]

Flash Frame, on 20 March 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Then how about instead of being negative, you offer up a solution? Because just yelling "NOTHING WORKS!" isn't helping the issue.

Making threads like this is the least helpful thing you can possibly do. If someone is TK to get a reaction they'll check the forums afterwards and absolutely thrive and be encouraged beyond measure by seeing people talking about banning them and being upset or annoyed.

[Scout Derek]

Why not just issue a Ban On names?
Like such for example: no one can be named using Scout anymore.

[Funkmaster Rick]

IP bans are only effective if the user's ISP maintains a policy of static IP addresses for its clients. If the ISP allows dynamic ISPs, overcoming an IP ban is as simple as resetting one's router.

The next step up would be a MAC ban, which targets the user's actual network card on their computer: each network card comes with a special number that's broadcast as part of its communication protocol and acts like the VIN number on a car's engine. Organizations that require good security often use MAC addresses as identification of a sort, allowing only the computer the that specific network card to connect. However, easily-obtainable software exists to change one's MAC address, or spoof another MAC address.

So really, anyone whose ISP allows DHCP is free to perform this kind of trolling to their heart's content. If PGI has already tried IP and MAC bans, there's really not much more they can do short of banning all users from that ISP. And honestly, a really determined troll might redirect via a VPN proxy, or a public proxy, or whatever. So there's no good answer.

Well, except community awareness. I guess stating names or making public lists is against ToS, so I'm not really sure what we as a community can do.

If you see someone you know to be a TKer in a match, just notify your team and do your best to kill them before they kill you, I guess.

[Metus regem]

Flash Frame, on 20 March 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

I've been noticing a few names [of which I will not name here due to the NaS policy], that consistantly, every match, TK 1-3 players, then either leave, get themselves killed, or force the team to TK them.

They are never removed from games, and I have seen them gloating that even if they get banned, they will simply make a new account.

So... PGI... IP banning, is it possible? And if so, why hasn't it been done already to these known offenders?

PGI has said in the past, that IP bans just are not in the cards, they are too easy to get around, or if they set it for a range, then they can block out non-offenders as well. The core of this problem stems from this being a F2P game, you see this kind of behavior in F2P games, because if you get banned, just go to hot mail and get a new e-mail address, sign up again, and you are good to go. Every F2P game that has a vs. mode like this I have ever played has these kinds of jokers or children that don't care.

[EgoSlayer]

Most Windows NIC drivers today allow you to manually change the MAC address. Same with your routers. Change MAC addresses and you get new IP addresses unless your ISP is giving you a static address.

So MAC, and IP bans are trivially easy to get around by nearly anyone.

[Lily from animove]

Flash Frame, on 20 March 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Then how about instead of being negative, you offer up a solution? Because just yelling "NOTHING WORKS!" isn't helping the issue.

anonymity and f2p will always make a troll reroll as often as he wants, its not very time consuming, and you will never ever find a solution to this unless you want to do what some asians do, having you enter your passport ID to verify your existence. But i doubt many people would come to a game requiring this to enter.

active gm's instantly there banning after 2-3 games would help, but this is a very expensive way to prevent this.

Scout Derek, on 20 March 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

Why not just issue a Ban On names?
Like such for example: no one can be named using Scout anymore.

kjdhakhdaksdjhdk
kfjhjhfshbfjsfb
coigpohäöfm
vnjqwhvbdhg
vlgkgnr


plenty of names left to find

Edited by Lily from animove, 20 March 2015 - 08:40 AM.

[Scout Derek]

Lily from animove, on 20 March 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

anonymity and f2p will always make a troll reroll as often as he wants, its not very time consuming, and you will never ever find a solution to this unless you want to do what some asians do, having you enter your passport ID to verify your existence. But i doubt many people would come to a game requiring this to enter.

active gm's instantly ther

kjdhakhdaksdjhdk
kfjhjhfshbfjsfb
coigpohäöfm
vnjqwhvbdhg
vlgkgnr


plenty of names left to find
e banning after 2-3 games would help, but this is a very expensive way to prevent this.

those whioefohsghoiao names?
They can make it where letters of such will not be allowed.

[Lily from animove]

Scout Derek, on 20 March 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

those whioefohsghoiao names?
They can make it where letters of such will not be allowed.

and then? i can grab a name book and try they all, until the moment i have trolled the entire community not able to choose any names anymore, because ALL of them are on the blocklist. GG denial of registering service since everything is blacklisted.


unless anonymity is lost in the internet, and the way to get anonimity is not a giant trouble f2p games will always be like that.
new Ip, new mac, new email, and no one knows who you are.

[Scout Derek]

Lily from animove, on 20 March 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

and then? i can grab a name book and try they all, until the moment i have trolled the entire community not able to choose any names anymore, because ALL of them are on the blocklist. GG denial of registering service since everything is blacklisted.


unless anonymity is lost in the internet, and the way to get anonimity is not a giant trouble f2p games will always be like that.
new Ip, new mac, new email, and no one knows who you are.

Actually, let me rephrase what I said. Maybe allow a word or name to be used only 5 times overall in the game, then increase that threshold as more players join. What say you?

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

So basically it all boils down to "Trolls gonna troll."

God...just wait till this game hits steam guys... it's gonna get bad.

[Lily from animove]

possible weird solution would be:

sneak something into the gamefiles on his local files that marks him as a troll, then everytime he does weird stuff, "bug" him out, as long as trols are not able to identify what and where this is, they will get bored by the "broken" game and leave it. They would have to redownlaod the entire game.

But thats a lot effort and the dedicated trolls will soon figure out how to circumvent this as well.

Edited by Lily from animove, 20 March 2015 - 08:47 AM.

[CocoaJin]

Flash Frame, on 20 March 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Then how about instead of being negative, you offer up a solution? Because just yelling "NOTHING WORKS!" isn't helping the issue.

It does if it's the truth...keeps one from wasting their time on fruitless pursuits.