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[Andi Nagasia]

Title says it all

=Comparison=
Weapon....................Damage,..Heat,..Burn,..recharge,..Range,..Max Range,..Tons,..Crit*,
Medium-Laser................5............4.......0.9........3.0..........270...........540.............1.......1.
C-ER-Medium-Laser,.....7............6......1.15.......3.0..........405...........810.............1.......1.


=the ER-ML for IS=
so we can assume based on the Stats above and those on Sarna,
Weapon....................Damage,..Heat,..Burn,..recharge,..Range,..Max Range,..Tons,..Crit*,
ER-Medium-Laser,.........5............5.......1.0........3.0..........360...........720.............1.......1.
(it would also Sync well with the basic LL)

i have found some iterations of ER-ML existing as Experimental Tech in 3052,
with this in mind i say double the price of the ER-ML and give IS their Er-ML,


=Comments=

KraftySOT, on 20 March 2015 - 07:43 AM, said:

The only people who have ERML lasers in 3052 are people who found a star league cache, or comstar.

Comstar provided mechs to houses for the Battle of Tukkayid. That happened in what, June of 3052? A few techs took them out, sent them to manufactures, about 3054 is when they start actually rolling off the line. By 3056, theyre being put in mechs.

well dam, totally forgot about this, then should ER-ML be added as part of the Tukkayid Event?
as it would make sense to make IS Versions of the Er-ML available the week of the event,


=Questions=
do you think IS should get their ER-ML?
do you think having their ER-ML would help with some Balance issues?
do you think that having it as over priced Experimental Tech is good Justification?
would you use the ER-ML if it where available under the Stats shown?
would you Buy the ER-ML even if it where double its normal Cost?
Should it be released 3-5 days before the Tukkayid Event?


Thoughts? Comments? Concerns?
Thanks

Edit-Questions
Edit2- Tukkayid Comment

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 20 March 2015 - 08:08 AM.

[MechWarrior414712]

Yes
No
No
No
No

:^)

[Gyrok]

The ERML would come along and be a slightly hotter option with longer range...some builds would love it, others would not.

However, I do think that would do a lot to even things out a bit.

[Ambuscade]

Me personally, would like to see weapons added to the missile and ballistic spectrum instead.

RL10's, 15's, 20's
Mech Rifles
etc.

Basically old school stuff. Though for energy I wouldn't mind seeing a Binary Laser make it in. Just my two c-bills.

Regards Mechwarriors,
Ambuscade

[KraftySOT]

STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

We have enough problems balancing the things we have now.

Wait until PGI does some sort of large CW event and actually moves the timeline forward a year or two (in a year or two)

Then ask for more weapons.

I seriously want to come to your homes and cut your Cat5 cables.


No. No more weapons. Especially not stupid Maxtech weapons like Binary Lasers. Its ridiculous. No one in the Btech community likes you. Grow up. Stop asking for this crap that will just shatter what pathetic amount of balance we've actually achieved over the last year or so.



This poor sod suggested Light Gauss rifles and MRMS^

[Christof Romulus]

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=Questions=
1. do you think IS should get their ER-ML?
2. do you think having their ER-ML would help with some Balance issues?
3. do you think that having it as over priced Experimental Tech is good Justification?
4. would you use the ER-ML if it where available under the Stats shown?
5. would you Buy the ER-ML even if it where double its normal Cost?

1. In due time. While the timeline should be 3052 (but was reset) and we 'should' have it by now as we, as humans, have aged two years, the game world hasn't. So, whenever we begin to roll the clock forward, it should be released.

2. Hahahahahaha no. The Inner Sphere ER Medium Laser is terrible.

3. Nope.

4. There are no builds on any of my mechs currently that would prefer the additional heat produced by this weapon.

5. No?

[KraftySOT]

Christof Romulus, on 20 March 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

1. In due time. While the timeline should be 3052 (but was reset) and we 'should' have it by now as we, as humans, have aged two years, the game world hasn't. So, whenever we begin to roll the clock forward, it should be released.

The only people who have ERML lasers in 3052 are people who found a star league cache, or comstar.

Comstar provided mechs to houses for the Battle of Tukkayid. That happened in what, June of 3052? A few techs took them out, sent them to manufactures, about 3054 is when they start actually rolling off the line. By 3056, theyre being put in mechs.

[Ambuscade]

@KraftySOT:

Just wanted to give my opinion...........

Regards Mechwarriors,
Ambuscade

[Almond Brown]

We would need to see the Quirked versions based on a Chassis that would be quirked for that weapon. Subtract -12% from Cool Down and ADD up to as much as +20% range (+mech /+weapon).

Then, my guess would be, that those "new" stats, at even double the cost, would make the regular ML obsolete very quickly.

Edited by Almond Brown, 20 March 2015 - 07:50 AM.

[Summon3r]

you already have erml with your quirks, while the clan scientist are working out er"mg" but have only thus far made a 2% difference.

[KraftySOT]

Ill put it in a less insane way.


We have weapons now that dont even do anything (flamers and MGs), and weapons no one uses (LBs, Clan UAC).

If you add more weapons, youre adding power creep, and youre still not fixing these old weapons, but now youre also adding more "unused weapons" to the list...as people stop ever using ERLL for Binary and MRMs over SRMs and Xpulse over regular pulse.

Then they have to go back and "quirk" all these unused weapons, which then means those have to be nerfed because they "Thunderbolted" them to be to powerful.

Its adding more weight to either end of the see saw, and its detrimental to MWO as a whole.

No. No new weapons. Not until we have at least all the weapons we have now, in a good place.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Andi Nagasia, on 20 March 2015 - 07:20 AM, said:

=Questions=
do you think IS should get their ER-ML?

In time, sure

Quote

do you think having their ER-ML would help with some Balance issues?

No

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do you think that having it as over priced Experimental Tech is good Justification?

No

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would you use the ER-ML if it where available under the Stats shown?

Possible

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would you Buy the ER-ML even if it where double its normal Cost?

Not sure

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I say lets take a look at the Heat Cap. Universally set it at one fixed point and go from there with weapon balance and introducing new weapons.

IMHO, Heat Sinks should only modify one value, that being Dissipation so that our Capacity is Dissipation over time.

Then we should be able to see more weapon variety as current chassis quirks and weapon modules almost do without renaming anything.

[Lily from animove]

Andi Nagasia, on 20 March 2015 - 07:20 AM, said:

Title says it all

=Comparison=
Weapon....................Damage,..Heat,..Burn,..recharge,..Range,..Max Range,..Tons,..Crit*,
Medium-Laser................5............4.......0.9........3.0..........270...........540.............1.......1.
C-ER-Medium-Laser,.....7............6......1.15.......3.0..........405...........810.............1.......1.


=the ER-ML for IS=
so we can assume based on the Stats above and those on Sarna,
Weapon....................Damage,..Heat,..Burn,..recharge,..Range,..Max Range,..Tons,..Crit*,
ER-Medium-Laser,.........5............5.......1.0........3.0..........360...........720.............1.......1.
(it would also Sync well with the basic LL)

i have found some iterations of ER-ML existing as Experimental Tech in 3052,
with this in mind i say double the price of the ER-ML and give IS their Er-ML,


=Questions=
do you think IS should get their ER-ML?
do you think having their ER-ML would help with some Balance issues?
do you think that having it as over priced Experimental Tech is good Justification?
would you use the ER-ML if it where available under the Stats shown?
would you Buy the ER-ML even if it where double its normal Cost?


Thoughts? Comments? Concerns?
Thanks

Edit-Questions

hmm, lest compare

CERLL
11dmg
10heat

IS ER LL
9dmg
8heat

ISLL
9dmg
7 heat.

CERRML
7dmg 6heat

so looks like getting "ER" means +1heat.

by this, new IS ERL neeed to be 5dmg, 5heat.


looks, good, makes sense. should be implemented, then we can see how IS and clanbalance looks like. But then, wait, Not sure, with the E heatquirks and E range quirks OHOH, now we suddenly have a massive balacen problem.
Imagien an FS9E with its quirks. or FS9S or ...

Just go through the smurfeys lits if mechs that got Energy raneg and energy heat generation quirks. Some of them are extremely big because they were supposed to bring IS ML's ona a semi ER range. addign IS ER's would require an overhaul in those quirks, otherwise imagine Energy range buff 30% + range modules on such a mech WOW.


so basically yes, IS ERML like this looks good, could balance a lot, but it would require a quirk overhaul because it would break balance with some IS mechs totally.

would totally loo them for my Nova, they are slightly less heat efficient than CERML, yet they have quite a lot less burntime. which I consider as the big advanatge even with less heat efficiency.

do you think IS should get their ER-ML?
yes
do you think having their ER-ML would help with some Balance issues?
yes
do you think that having it as over priced Experimental Tech is good Justification?
not really
would you use the ER-ML if it where available under the Stats shown?
totally
would you Buy the ER-ML even if it where double its normal Cost?
pfff, just some c-bills, 160k cbills isn't even much.

Edited by Lily from animove, 20 March 2015 - 08:05 AM.

[Lucian Nostra]

IS players: The range on the clan weapons is OP!
OP: How about we add in the IS ER ML? 1 more heat for 90m more range?
IS players: No!

K...

[Andi Nagasia]

i think this could and Should be made available a week before the Tukkayid event,

[Ambuscade]

I wasn't particularly campaigning for new weapons. It just that some older tech would be preferable to jumping ahead timeline wise and introducing more advanced tech.

At the moment, I am campaigning for flamer improvements. Paul has stated that their working on it. But, we all now how that goes. Another decent chunk of the community is striving for machine gun buffs. I've seen some LBX buff threads too.

Ideas are definitely being thrown around. Who knows if anything will come of it.

Regards Mechwarriors,
Ambuscade

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Just as a side note, the I-ERML will most likely have the same range as the C-ERML if we ever get it since the IS ER weapons all have 50% better range than their non-ER counterparts, and guess what 150% of 270m is...

[Gyrok]

WM Quicksilver, on 20 March 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

Just as a side note, the I-ERML will most likely have the same range as the C-ERML if we ever get it since the IS ER weapons all have 50% better range than their non-ER counterparts, and guess what 150% of 270m is...

Then maybe clans can have the 450m range back, and IS range quirks can GTFO?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gyrok, on 20 March 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

Then maybe clans can have the 450m range back, and IS range quirks can GTFO?

First, the C-ERML would still have the better punch and be more efficient for the damage.
Second, think about how many mechs of I-ERLL quirks, now imagine that being the same case with I-ERMLs.

Edited by WM Quicksilver, 20 March 2015 - 11:05 AM.

[WarHippy]

WM Quicksilver, on 20 March 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

Just as a side note, the I-ERML will most likely have the same range as the C-ERML if we ever get it since the IS ER weapons all have 50% better range than their non-ER counterparts, and guess what 150% of 270m is...

Ok, but Clan ERMED get their range and original heat back.

Gyrok, on 20 March 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

Then maybe clans can have the 450m range back, and IS range quirks can GTFO?

What he said.