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[DaZur]

Gyrok, on 23 March 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

You are far smarter than some give you credit for...

Pffft... Few give me any credit for my intelligence so the bars pretty low and very attainable.

[cSand]

Adamski, on 23 March 2015 - 07:18 AM, said:

If PGI was interested in balance, CW would consist of the Clans fighting over Strana Mechty and the homeworlds for invasion corridors, while the Successor Houses fought over the Inner Sphere. This would allow the faction mechs to be balanced within their faction, then AFTER that is completed, begin the invasion and begin balancing the factions against one another.

and in the process undoing all the balancing "within" factions they just finished

you see how this is working now

[HARDKOR]

You can't balance stupid and based on the state of the world and whats on TV, most people are stupid.

[Almond Brown]

Mystere, on 23 March 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

I don't think people even realize how many different variables are involved. Can anyone care to take a guess and list them all?

I got this. MWO VARIABLE LIST

Edited by Almond Brown, 23 March 2015 - 10:03 AM.

[mogs01gt]

Who actually thinks MWO is that unbalanced? The only weapon that has an issue is the Gauss and that is only a problem when boated.

There are soo many other issues to be concern about that should have been fixed years ago.

[Lily from animove]

but we can make them less like: god tier in the eye of the universe far above the mech that seems to be compressed in the solid depth of a planets core as said planet has formed.

[iliketurtles87]

i would give my left nut for a IS vs. IS Modus. Im tired to get anihilated in my UP IS mediums by Stormcrows. Everybody would be happy. So the Clans can have their OP easy mod stuff. I miss the old days without clans.

Edited by iliketurtles87, 23 March 2015 - 09:48 AM.

[cSand]

mogs01gt, on 23 March 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Who actually thinks MWO is that unbalanced? The only weapon that has an issue is the Gauss and that is only a problem when boated.

There are soo many other issues to be concern about that should have been fixed years ago.

not me for one, barring a few small outliers things are actually not bad.

I see guys on both sides, who complain OP this OP that. The worst is IS guys claiming clans to be OP.

Fact is, the cold hard fact, most of the percieved lack of balance is just:
A plain old suckage or
B frustration cause they just walked out in front of 3 TBRs and a DWF and got slapped down in 5 seconds

Those who have learned to play can hold their own and don't tend to complain much

Edited by cSand, 23 March 2015 - 09:58 AM.

[DaZur]

cSand, on 23 March 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Those who have learned to play can hold their own and don't tend to complain much.

So why don't you complain more?

ZING!!!!!

[cSand]

DaZur, on 23 March 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

So why don't you complain more?

ZING!!!!!

WELL PLAYED SIR WELL PLAYED

[Gyrok]

cSand, on 23 March 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

not me for one, barring a few small outliers things are actually not bad.

I see guys on both sides, who complain OP this OP that. The worst is IS guys claiming clans to be OP.

Fact is, the cold hard fact, most of the percieved lack of balance is just:
A plain old suckage or
B frustration cause they just walked out in front of 3 TBRs and a DWF and got slapped down in 5 seconds

Those who have learned to play can hold their own and don't tend to complain much

DaZur, on 23 March 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

So why don't you complain more?

ZING!!!!!

cSand, on 23 March 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

WELL PLAYED SIR WELL PLAYED

LOL!!!

Seriously though, this is the truth...the nerf herding crowd is just too dense to get it...

[MerryIguana]

Gyrok, on 23 March 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:

Enjoy it, and stop complaining. Go shoot stompy robots.

http://mwomercs.com/.../185116-tdr-9s/

Irony.

[Gyrok]

iliketurtles87, on 23 March 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

i would give my left nut for a IS vs. IS Modus. Im tired to get anihilated in my UP IS mediums by Stormcrows. Everybody would be happy. So the Clans can have their OP easy mod stuff. I miss the old days without clans.

You must not grasp the fact that it is not the tech difference...

MerryIguana, on 23 March 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/.../185116-tdr-9s/

Irony.

50% heat reduction on ERPPCs...seriously? That mech was ridiculous...there was no sense in ANY mech having 7.5 heat ERPPCs.

[cSand]

MerryIguana, on 23 March 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/.../185116-tdr-9s/

Irony.

lol not really, the TDR was insane at that point in time and is now back to a reasonable level

[Abisha]

you can't not balance a game against abisha.....

away joke aside best thing they can do is buff up mechs that really preform under norm.
they can do it without gain to much power like added more armor towards crap mechs.
that leads to more tank-able mechs in term makes they automatically bit more powerful without breaking game balance.

for instance, Nova can use a bit more armor, and no not give it heat quirks or their is a serious balance issue created again.

[MerryIguana]

Gyrok, on 23 March 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

50% heat reduction on ERPPCs...seriously? That mech was ridiculous...there was no sense in ANY mech having 7.5 heat ERPPCs.

So that isnt a QQ thread?

cSand, on 23 March 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

lol not really, the TDR was insane at that point in time and is now back to a reasonable level

It was. Obviously. So were cetain clan mechs at launch. Gyrok defended those but QQ about tbolt. Its quite... ironic.

[Gyrok]

MerryIguana, on 23 March 2015 - 10:57 AM, said:

So that isnt a QQ thread?

No, that was opening a legit dialogue about a mech that was RIDICULOUS in every sense of the word...

[MerryIguana]

Gyrok, on 23 March 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

No, that was opening a legit dialogue about a mech that was RIDICULOUS in every sense of the word...

But a nerf timberwolf thread is QQ? Sho nuff.

[cSand]

MerryIguana, on 23 March 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

But a nerf timberwolf thread is QQ? Sho nuff.

TBR can't wang off an endless stream of PPCs

They're tough but not impossible. Almost right where they should be I would say

[Kristov Kerensky]

Gyrok, on 23 March 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

No, that was opening a legit dialogue about a mech that was RIDICULOUS in every sense of the word...

No, it was a QQ post, since at the time he made it, there was a 27 page thread on the exact same subject at the top of the list. He's got another QQ on the front page right now as well about Russ saying he's looking at a 10-20% speed drop on Clan Mechs if they lose a ST due to the 2 engine crits being blown out. He QQs quite a bit in that one, it's like an ISer claiming the Adder is OP QQing, tons of hyperbole and straight up falsehoods.

NOW he's trying to tell us how balance can never be attained and why, because if he can get THIS to be taken for fact, then he can argue that any negatives applied to Clans Mechs are totally worthless, after all, the game CAN'T BE BALANCED!

It's a rather clever bit of reverse psychology, or so he thinks. He's been against anything being done to the Clan Mechs since they were introduced, swearing up and down that none of them are OP in the least, they need to be left alone, they are balanced! He forgets his posting history works against him.

Balance in MWO won't be what he wants, that's about the only thing he has right. Parity in CW is what MWO is working towards, and right now, that means the Clan Mechs need to be toned down a bit still. He feels his 90% win ratio in CW proves that the game is balanced, after all, he and his are experts, they shouldn't ever get beaten. That's not balance, that's hubris, HUGE difference there.

Balance in MWO, Clans will be more powerful but that won't be the deciding factor when facing the IS in equal numbers, team work and skill will be the deciding factors against skilled players. For the general masses, which is the HUGE majority of the playerbase(something he totally doesn't get), the Clan toys need to appear to be slightly better than the IS but not so much better that they are an easy button, but if you don't have a lot of skill, they MIGHT make you a winner, so...buy em! IS needs to be powerful enough to not be seen as an automatic loss, more skilled players go IS, so...buy em! Win/Win for PGI, MWO and the players. We're close to that point now, but the Clan toys are still giving too much of an advantage according to PGI's data from CW. I'd say Gyrok's 90% win in CW claim would prove that PGI is right, but hey, that's a balance thing, and that can never be done!