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[crustydog]

Yesterday I watched an entire team move up and onto our landing zone and just sit there.

Since everybody knew if they got killed, they would then get slaughtered coming in, no fighting took place for 15 minutes.

This is amazing!!!

What a fantastic concept..

It really is really really good.

Once you understand that, your mind is now right.

Sometimes you just need to go along to get along.

I apologize to all here for failing to see this sooner.

Be a good team player and STFU.

I can do that, if I have to, I guess.

Edited by crustydog, 03 April 2015 - 05:57 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Yes.

[sycocys]

So the run back to their spawn and let the timer run off tactic?

[Chemie]

map design, yo

[nitra]

Edited by nitra, 27 March 2015 - 09:05 AM.

[Vandul]

I like how it switches from a Griffin to a victor mid drop. Thats pretty cool.

Oh, and XL Victor.

[Almond Brown]

I like how Not Defending your Landing zone Properly is somehow the enemies baaad...

Gamers. Gotta love them.

[Mirkk Defwode]

Almond Brown, on 27 March 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

I like how Not Defending your Landing zone Properly is somehow the enemies baaad...

Gamers. Gotta love them.

Nope, its the designers bad.

[Mystere]

Mirkk Defwode, on 27 March 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

Nope, its the designers bad.

Or, the massacre will just switch to somewhere outside your LZ. That or you will just hide within your LZ until timer runs out.

[Augustus Martelus II]

Is CW count in the k/d and w/l ratio?

If yes....then i understand why they lost a lot of players lol

Had played the first weeks of CW but did find out i win a lot more c-bill playing as a pug...+ more playing time.

Vandul, on 27 March 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

I like how it switches from a Griffin to a victor mid drop. Thats pretty cool.

Oh, and XL Victor.

XL or not he was doomed

[Mirkk Defwode]

Mystere, on 27 March 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

Or, the massacre will just switch to somewhere outside your LZ. That or you will just hide within your LZ until timer runs out.

SWTOR addressed this for Huttball...hide in spawn = death. Timeout period of 120 seconds idle or within the spawn zone and you just are ejected from the match.

If a team decides to do that then they'll get all booted and the other side wins faster.


Protected(shielded) Spawn Zones

Spoiler

If they have a protected spawn space and multiple (4-6) points of egress to move through the spawn camping team can't defend all of them allowing that attacking team options and time to coordinate and move out in an organized fashion. Won't always happen that way, but its better than being shot as you're dropped and mutilated.

Defended Dropzones

Spoiler

You set up soft kill volumes, if the opposition enters your respawn space while a dropship is inbound, they get blasted with the existed Airstrike and Artillery barrages...until they're out of the softkill volume. And this accounts for both sides. It'd mean defender spawns sitting ontop of the Omega would have to move, but that's fairly easy to do - you'd just have to make sure the new spawn locations are into areas where they have an appropriate level of cover to get oriented on the ground.

Safe to Spawn

Spoiler

You can go with "Safe to spawn" ray casting, which makes it if you're within enemy line of sight you don't spawn at that location, it'd mean having redundant fallback spawn locations...how about attackers spawn right on the Omega if the defenders are in the attacker LZ? That seems about right to me. Pilots wouldn't drop soldiers into a killzone, its suicide for them as well in modern combat scenarios.

Bro-spawning

Spoiler

This is the method used in CoD, and Halo. When respawning it determines an ally in a "Safe" position similar to the Safe to Spawn, but then spawns directly adjacent to that ally. Have a light mech hiding in a corner, spawn there, have a friendly running toward the Omega - spawn there.

You don't choose which you spawn on, just that you'll spawn in a "safer" location.

If there are no allies in friendly positions, this falls back to using the previous "Safe to Spawn" system where it gives you preset locations, that if safe you'll drop there.

These are all commonly used and found in MMOs, FPS, and MOBA game styles. Sometimes even as redundancy systems onto each other as spawning methods.

Edited by Mirkk Defwode, 27 March 2015 - 11:51 AM.

[Stoned Prophet]

nitra, on 27 March 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

OH GOD THEY SPAWN CAMPED THE LAST FOUR GUYS OH NO THEY SO TOTALLY WOULD HAVE WON IF THEY HADNT BEEN SPAWNCAMPED. NOPE. Bads are bad thats all you see with spawncamps. I have NEVER been spawncamped, probably because I dont suck enough to let them push me that hard and fold like a card table.

[-Natural Selection-]

If you got spawn camped.. You failed to kill 12 guys who had to walk allll the way across the map to reinforce while getting shot at by your dropships. That is a player skill issue and nothing more. ggREKT

[Vandul]

Augustus Martelus II, on 27 March 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Is CW count in the k/d and w/l ratio?

If yes....then i understand why they lost a lot of players lol

Had played the first weeks of CW but did find out i win a lot more c-bill playing as a pug...+ more playing time.



XL or not he was doomed

He never even moved. Or tried to. Just not that impressed.

[Mystere]

Mirkk Defwode, on 27 March 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

SWTOR addressed this for Huttball...hide in spawn = death. Timeout period of 120 seconds idle or within the spawn zone and you just are ejected from the match.

If a team decides to do that then they'll get all booted and the other side wins faster.

Meh! That so arcadey. That's not worthy of BT at all.

Mirkk Defwode, on 27 March 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Protected(shielded) Spawn Zones

Spoiler

If they have a protected spawn space and multiple (4-6) points of egress to move through the spawn camping team can't defend all of them allowing that attacking team options and time to coordinate and move out in an organized fashion. Won't always happen that way, but its better than being shot as you're dropped and mutilated.

But they will still converge at some point and will again be massacred then and there.

Mirkk Defwode, on 27 March 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Defended Dropzones

Spoiler

You set up soft kill volumes, if the opposition enters your respawn space while a dropship is inbound, they get blasted with the existed Airstrike and Artillery barrages...until they're out of the softkill volume. And this accounts for both sides. It'd mean defender spawns sitting ontop of the Omega would have to move, but that's fairly easy to do - you'd just have to make sure the new spawn locations are into areas where they have an appropriate level of cover to get oriented on the ground.

Again, too arcadey. And also again, they will still get massacred at some convergence point.

Mirkk Defwode, on 27 March 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Safe to Spawn

Spoiler

You can go with "Safe to spawn" ray casting, which makes it if you're within enemy line of sight you don't spawn at that location, it'd mean having redundant fallback spawn locations...how about attackers spawn right on the Omega if the defenders are in the attacker LZ? That seems about right to me. Pilots wouldn't drop soldiers into a killzone, its suicide for them as well in modern combat scenarios.

Bro-spawning

Spoiler

This is the method used in CoD, and Halo. When respawning it determines an ally in a "Safe" position similar to the Safe to Spawn, but then spawns directly adjacent to that ally. Have a light mech hiding in a corner, spawn there, have a friendly running toward the Omega - spawn there.

You don't choose which you spawn on, just that you'll spawn in a "safer" location.

If there are no allies in friendly positions, this falls back to using the previous "Safe to Spawn" system where it gives you preset locations, that if safe you'll drop there.

These are all commonly used and found in MMOs, FPS, and MOBA game styles. Sometimes even as redundancy systems onto each other as spawning methods.

In short, have multiple drop zones. I'd rather have that than any of the above.

Edited by Mystere, 27 March 2015 - 03:43 PM.

[Strykewolf]

Sometimes the dropship is the MVP.

Advancing on Boreal, reach the cannon. Three dropships come in; kill 6 of the 8 of us that fought that far.

[Mirkk Defwode]

Mystere, on 27 March 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

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You missed the point, I was merely pointing out that there are other options that function. Whether they're arcadey or not they're a better user experience than what we currently have. This is also entirely without being innovative to the approach. You're welcome to make other suggestions to correct this. All I've done here is point out the common FPS/Moba approaches

As for the kill volumes and raining in artillery. Fictionally that one makes sense as pilots or crew spotters would call in enemy activity as seen on the flight in. And fictionally speaking, a pilot would not drop soldiers into a kill box intentionally as it would be a suicide mission for them as well to hover during the drop because fictionally they would not be invulnerable like they are now, they'd abort the drop or go to a secondary LZ. I'm in favor of them more being the aggressive sort and just shelling the LZ until it's clear enough to safely drop troops.

[Lily from animove]

12DG yesterday attacking, they covered totally one of the drop spots , I got deployed in there, death in 3 secs, great concept of distributing your troops in battle that way xD

That moment before the dropship bays open and you see yourself surrounded by red arrows: "awww fawk, Seriously?"

[Romeo Deluxe]

Some maps, not all, have a terrible LZ. I think it's up to the players to mainly protect their LZ. The dropships shooting is pretty cool actually. Some maps should also get turrets at their LZ. Also a few dropped in shield structures to hide behind. I don't know what they are a called, but they look like a traffic barricade with a grated section of metal on top. Make them slightly angled in to give a bit of LRM protection so if you lose control of the LZ you can at least get a few shots off before the inevitable end.

Don't make LZ's invincible areas, but on some maps some reworking of them is needed.

[Lily from animove]

crustydog, on 26 March 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

Yesterday I watched an entire team move up and onto our landing zone and just sit there.

Since everybody knew if they got killed, they would then get slaughtered coming in, and no fighting took place for 15 minutes.

This is amazing!!!

What a fantastic concept..

It really is really really good.

Once you understand that, your mind is now right.

Sometimes you just need to go along to get along.

I apologize to all here for failing to see this sooner.

Be a good team player and STFU.

I can do that, if I have to, I guess.

the problem is quirked is mechs and clanrange + open spawn locations makes it too easy to shoot down someone from a very very safe and hidden distance.

it definately needs soem rework.