29 replies to this topic

[ReemusX]

Why wouldn't it be "infrared"? I mean.... for a scout.... this has to be the biggest give away (especially on cold maps) I have seen. Being in a KGC, lights can sneak up...but when they use that tag for their buddies with LRM I know to keep an eye on the bright red laser coming from the inactive area of the map....

Doesn't make sense to me..... It's like having a laser pointer with 12 cats... They are going to notice it every time....and probably try to catch it...

[Lily from animove]

because it looks cooler if it is made this way.

Edited by Lily from animove, 21 January 2016 - 07:58 AM.

[Mechteric]

I agree, it shouldn't be visible at all in normal light, though I'd be ok with them letting thermal and night vision still able to see it.

[kesmai]

I'm in for that. Just add a indicator for being tagged, like they did it with narc
(on the hud of the tagged mech...)

Edited by kesmai, 21 January 2016 - 06:58 AM.

[1Grimbane]

thermal and nvg's would pick up infrared our peq 2 lasers only showed up with nvg's on if we wished however it was switchable on and off infrared, i agree lasing should be invisible, unless thermal or night is on

[Revorn]

Using TAG,.................... sometimes its a bit suicidal.

[El Bandito]

ReemusX, on 21 January 2016 - 06:11 AM, said:

Why wouldn't it be "infrared"? I mean.... for a scout.... this has to be the biggest give away (especially on cold maps) I have seen. Being in a KGC, lights can sneak up...but when they use that tag for their buddies with LRM I know to keep an eye on the bright red laser coming from the inactive area of the map....

Doesn't make sense to me..... It's like having a laser pointer with 12 cats... They are going to notice it every time....and probably try to catch it...

Lorewise, IT IS INFRARED. PGI had goofed it up. By all means it should be visible through Heat Vision mode.

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a multi-frequency laser emission diode which paints the target with an infrared laser beam for a smart weapon to track

http://www.sarna.net...cquisition_Gear

Edited by El Bandito, 21 January 2016 - 07:04 AM.

[1Grimbane]

kudos on the waynes' world 2 gif.... "i call it waynestock" waynestock you heard the man,

[ReemusX]

1Grimbane, on 21 January 2016 - 07:00 AM, said:

thermal and nvg's would pick up infrared our peq 2 lasers only showed up with nvg's on if we wished however it was switchable on and off infrared, i agree lasing should be invisible, unless thermal or night is on

Former 11B here as well =). That's what I was basing it on... We had PAQ4C but I got a PEQ2 when I got moved to weapons squad.

[1Grimbane]

semper FI sir hmmmmmmm i'm sorry man those little paq's didn't have an ir illuminator like or peqs did. lol service equipment what ya gonna do.... i've seen the grips fall off our m249's just from the vibrations of our forced marches before. remember what the doormouse said.... OUR WEAPONS COME FROM THE LOWEST BIDDER LOL

Edited by 1Grimbane, 21 January 2016 - 07:38 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

It's probably a bit of balance too. A way to know you are being TAG'd when missiles start raining in. Plus, it acts like a tracer so the person using the TAG laser easily knows that it is firing and where it is landing.

Anyway if that is really an issue, they could make the laser invisible, but add an indicator on the target mech's HUD similar to NARC I suppose *shrug*.

[ReemusX]

1Grimbane, on 21 January 2016 - 07:38 AM, said:

semper FI sir hmmmmmmm i'm sorry man those little paq's didn't have an ir illuminator like or peqs did. lol service equipment what ya gonna do.... i've seen the grips fall off our m249's just from the vibrations of our forced marches before. remember what the doormouse said.... OUR WEAPONS COME FROM THE LOWEST BIDDER LOL

precisely... Been every position in line unit... SAW, 240, gren, rifle (M4), and then moved to scouts platoon for Iraq and played with a duct taped modified M14 which I loved.... Funny thing was.... with my old PVS-7Ds (I hated the 14s anyways) you would see about 100 spotlights from those paq4 and peq2...No one really knew whos was whos haha...

Hell we didn't get the 249 grips until Iraq...I was saw in ghanny and we just used the hard mounted bi-pod as the grip...hated that thing...

Edited by ReemusX, 21 January 2016 - 07:57 AM.

[1Grimbane]

i have seen an m203 bailing wired onto the foregrip of an m4a1 some rangers had it... i never wanted to fire it

i remember in SOI when we trained with the peqs and nvgs together for the first time it was like star wars lol

Edited by 1Grimbane, 21 January 2016 - 07:56 AM.

[a rabid chihuahua]

Semper fi bros , Im older school from the 90's but I totaly agree on the point the laser should be invisibile in normal light ,but could show up as a hit indicator on the side being glazed ,but your armor doesnt flash as hit till missles impact.

[Pjwned]

MeiSooHaityu, on 21 January 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's probably a bit of balance too. A way to know you are being TAG'd when missiles start raining in. Plus, it acts like a tracer so the person using the TAG laser easily knows that it is firing and where it is landing.

That's how I think of it.

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Anyway if that is really an issue, they could make the laser invisible, but add an indicator on the target mech's HUD similar to NARC I suppose *shrug*.

Is a HUD indicator really more appropriate than just being able to see the TAG laser though? It was appropriate for NARC because it's a hit & run weapon and because it doesn't make sense to not notice a beacon literally attached to your mech that transmits a bunch of data, but that's not the case for TAG.

I think TAG is fine as it is.

Edited by Pjwned, 21 January 2016 - 08:15 AM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

no indicator, tone down the visibilty, make it stand out like it used to now if night/heatvision is enabled. done.

[1Grimbane]

no tag is a big look at me beam... hud indicator makes sense since your radar comps or what have you would detect an infrared wave contacting your mech... there you go pgi your first info-tech change

Edited by 1Grimbane, 21 January 2016 - 08:03 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Pjwned, on 21 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

Is a HUD indicator really more appropriate than just being able to see the TAG laser though? It was appropriate for NARC because it's a hit & run weapon and because it doesn't make sense to not notice a beacon literally attached to your mech that transmits a bunch of data data, but that's not the case for TAG.

I think TAG is fine as it is.

I agree.

I was just bringing up a possible idea to let a player know they were being TAG'd if the beam was invisible.

Basically I was just saying that if you are being targeted by TAG, and the TAG laser is invisible, how would you know you were being TAG'd? That was the point I was making. In that case, you would probably want an indicator showing you were being TAG'd if the beam was invisible.

I'm with you though. Overall I think TAG is fine.

[ReemusX]

I would think the indicator of being tagged should be the barrage of missiles that come at you regardless of cover or line of sight.... That should be about the only indicator.... Your early warning for missiles.

The only laser that should be visible imo are the ones that do damage when they strike the target... Find me a recon team that uses disco beams to effectively guide missiles and I will change my mind.

Edited by ReemusX, 21 January 2016 - 08:37 AM.

[ReemusX]

I mean.... I see a tag laser cross me and I'm like..