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[topgun505]

I've been playing since closed beta. One thing I miss seeing on the field is ... the Jenner.

Outside of the occasional Oxide you just don't see those anymore (and even those are rare).

Why is that?

Well, they can only do a fraction of the damage that a Firestarter can, they aren't as fast nor can carry as many modules as a Locust, and they have practical zero quirks given to them. But probably the most important aspect is that they are a roving center torso on legs. Anyone with even the slightest hint of aiming ability can CT out a Jenner.

I think in all the times I've played a Jenner I have never been killed via side torso destruction.

Not ... one ... time.

I think it's about time to revisit the hit boxes on the Jenner and increase the size of the side torso and reduce the CT a bit. Not a huge amount, mind you. Just start with like 5% or so, and see what happens and adjust from there.

Probably wouldn't hurt to look at the Commando as well as I have not see ANY of those in forever as well (though I'm not sure what the heck you could do to them to make them viable).

It's just sad that we have 10 light mechs chassis to pick from and we see three or four of them with any regularity at all. Yeah, I know, some chassis are always going to be better than others ... but lights in particular seem to be hammered pretty hard by the "Take this or be derp'd" syndrome.

[FupDup]

This probably plays a role in it:



Jenner is a USS Enterprise with legs attached. :\

[Deathlike]

TBH, most of this has to do with the Firestarter getting a lot of generous quirks, and not so much on the Jenner side of things.

Edited by Deathlike, 02 April 2015 - 11:05 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

FupDup, on 02 April 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

This probably plays a role in it:



Jenner is a USS Enterprise with legs attached. :\

I'd have rather seen that one than the abomination from Abrams.....

[dubplate]

I used to really enjoy my founders Jenner and the 2nd one I bought. Never did get the 3rd to master. It would be nice to have a reason to use them again but like it was mentioned it has been overshadowed by newer mechs. I picked up the champion Firestarter recently and can't really come up with a reason to use my Jenner over it.

[Palor]

I like my Jenner and still use it once in awhile.

[Metus regem]

cdlord, on 02 April 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

I'd have rather seen that one than the abomination from Abrams.....

And that is why I am both hopeful and fearful of the next three Star Wars movies.. I'm not a huge fan of his Z-95 Head Hunter T-65 X-wing....

[FireDog]

It would be nice for PGI to trim the Jenner's CT some. Just getting rid of that little square top missile box would be nice. It really is totally unnecessary as it's shoulders could hold the missile tubes and look much better at the same time. Have a bit less CT that gets shot from 360 degrees would be a plus.

[Y E O N N E]

There's nothing a Jenner can do that a Locust can't do better...

...wait, what?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Deathlike, on 02 April 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

TBH, most of this has to do with the Firestarter getting a lot of generous quirks, and not so much on the Jenner side of things.

Though the giant CT that the Jenner constantly has to deal with certainly doesn't help things.

[A Large Infant]

Have you seen what actually happens when the devs revisit a mech's geometry? As bad as it may seem now, pray they do not touch it again.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Meeso Thorny, on 02 April 2015 - 09:57 PM, said:

Have you seen what actually happens when the devs revisit a mech's geometry? As bad as it may seem now, pray they do not touch it again.

When they revisit geometry, it has been to add dynamic hardpoints, which thankfully the Jenner got quite a while back. It just needs a hitbox adjustment which has happened on a couple of occasions, but more generally only shortly after the mech comes out.

[Roadbuster]

And while at it, remove some quirks from the Firestarter.
Honestly, it doesn't need so many buffs.

[sneeking]

The most effective killer right now is huginn.

[Deathlike]

WM Quicksilver, on 02 April 2015 - 09:53 PM, said:

Though the giant CT that the Jenner constantly has to deal with certainly doesn't help things.

While true, I wasn't as concerned about that since that meant tiny side torsos... which I usually never had to worry about being side cored (a good place to hide ammo on Lights, when buffered properly).

Edited by Deathlike, 03 April 2015 - 12:00 AM.

[sneeking]

Deathlike, on 03 April 2015 - 12:00 AM, said:

While true, I wasn't as concerned about that since that meant tiny side torsos... which I usually never had to worry about being side cored (a good place to hide ammo on Lights, when buffered properly).

Or take armour from to spend as ammo weight because you know even if you set armour to zero on that part you will most likely end the match without losing it lol...

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Deathlike, on 03 April 2015 - 12:00 AM, said:

While true, I wasn't as concerned about that since that meant tiny side torsos... which I usually never had to worry about being side cored (a good place to hide ammo on Lights, when buffered properly).

sneeking, on 03 April 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Or take armour from to spend as ammo weight because you know even if you set armour to zero on that part you will most likely end the match without losing it lol...

Brings me back to piloting the Arctic Wolf in MW4.

Still it would be nice if you could spread a little damage to the side torsos but it is still better than the Raven and its giant side torsos.

[sneeking]

Na its not better than huginn.

In huginn I strip the arms take no mg or armour in those I max the engine and take one jet. The rest is forward biased armour for st and ct a pair of srm4 with complimentary modules for quirks and ammo ammo ammo.


Oxide can't compete I any way ( I own both and iv tried ) they just dont

Oxide fires too slow and makes too much heat.

Edited by sneeking, 03 April 2015 - 12:46 AM.

[Quxudica]

Metus regem, on 02 April 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

And that is why I am both hopeful and fearful of the next three Star Wars movies.. I'm not a huge fan of his Z-95 Head Hunter T-65 X-wing....

Yeah but Abrams actually cares about Star Wars. He very clearly didn't have any particular passion at all for Trek. Pretty sure he only took on those movies because he didn't think new Star Wars films would happen..

sigh. I hate how abused my favorite scifi franchise has been.

[zagibu]

Since they improved laser hitreg, I haven't played my Jenner more than maybe 3 times. Every enemy that glances into your general direction hits your CT. Maybe for the Jenner it would be good if you could use armor points of the STs for the CT instead, or give it some CT armor quirks maybe.

PGI is so behind the times. They still think the Jenner is a top tier mech. But it hasn't been in a long time.