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[Abisha]

face it this mech need that little more awesomeness.

so i thought have about adjust it's Torso Yaw atm at elite it's 78
i think it's fair if the Misery gets 90 (elite) after all it's not that competitive mech
and it do cost real money to get this mech.

[TercieI]

I've literally never heard anyone suggest Misery needed help to be competitive. It's been good to great the entire two+ years I've been playing and still is.

[Soul Tribunal]

I agree with the above, the Misery is perfect where it is right now. It does not need any help, or it risks being slightly OP.

-ST

[Piney II]

The Misery is a solid performer that only a fool takes lightly on the battlefield.

[Abisha]

Soul Tribunal, on 09 April 2015 - 10:53 AM, said:

I agree with the above, the Misery is perfect where it is right now. It does not need any help, or it risks being slightly OP.

-ST

that's just so much nonsense.
the kingcrab is better in virtual any possible way. and even got a smaller mesh.

[Joseph Mallan]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

that's just so much nonsense.
the kingcrab is better in virtual any possible way. and even got a smaller mesh.

Its also got 15 tons more to work with... So Duh!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 09 April 2015 - 11:04 AM.

[Abisha]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 April 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

Its also got 15 tons more to work with... So Duh!

now that really explain why a KC have torso Yaw of 100.........
on top of that is smaller in scale.....

[Joseph Mallan]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

now that really explain why a KC have torso Yaw of 100.........
on top of that is smaller in scale.....

Oh that!

Never was a fan of how the Stalkers (all Stalkers) had such limited twisting!

[Abisha]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 April 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

Oh that!

Never was a fan of how the Stalkers (all Stalkers) had such limited twisting!

so you not even bothered reading what i stated above!.
i bet 90% of the people posting on topic's not even read 1% of it's contented information.

[Sir Wulfrick]

The King Crab makes everything except a dire whale look manoeuvrable. Even my damned Atlas-D with a 300 standard engine looks speedy next to the Crab. Yes, the Crab with 4 x U/AC-5 is an extremely strong mech, but the Stalker far outperforms it in terms of speed, manoeuvrability and general battlefield agility.

The current accepted wisdom appears to be that the Stalker 4N is the current pinnacle of IS assault mechs. As an occasional Stalker driver, and having mastered them all, I'd say that in general the Misery is only a small step behind and is in many circumstances actually superior to the 6-LL 4N meta build.

So no, there's nothing wrong with the stalker at present. I also used to rage about it's lack of torso twist but ultimately it isn't an Atlas, i.e. it's not supposed to be a close-in bruiser.

[Abisha]

Sir Wulfrick, on 09 April 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

The King Crab makes everything except a dire whale look manoeuvrable. Even my damned Atlas-D with a 300 standard engine looks speedy next to the Crab. Yes, the Crab with 4 x U/AC-5 is an extremely strong mech, but the Stalker far outperforms it in terms of speed, manoeuvrability and general battlefield agility.

The current accepted wisdom appears to be that the Stalker 4N is the current pinnacle of IS assault mechs. As an occasional Stalker driver, and having mastered them all, I'd say that in general the Misery is only a small step behind and is in many circumstances actually superior to the 6-LL 4N meta build.

So no, there's nothing wrong with the stalker at present. I also used to rage about it's lack of torso twist but ultimately it isn't an Atlas, i.e. it's not supposed to be a close-in bruiser.

not sure what game you playing.
but my KC running around 65 Mph with enough firepower to outmatch a Direwolf.

also wanna point out this infamus 6 LL build i never ever seen anyone ever used a build like that.
likely something from a fairy tail. must be a unicorn build i never seen it.
like 6 large lasers is anything in particular good......and above all it's not even logical while you can fit 2 SRM that out preform dps wish.

Edited by Abisha, 09 April 2015 - 11:18 AM.

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

not sure what game you playing.
but my KC running around 65 Mph with enough firepower to outmatch a Direwolf.

Bullsheet. Maybe a gimp setup Direwolf.

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also wanna point out this infamus 6 LL build i never ever seen anyone ever used a build like that.
likely something from a fairy tail. must be a unicorn build i never seen it.
like 6 large lasers is anything in particular good......and above all it's not even logical while you can fit 2 SRM that out preform dps wish.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Asrrin]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

not sure what game you playing.
but my KC running around 65 Mph with enough firepower to outmatch a Direwolf.

also wanna point out this infamus 6 LL build i never ever seen anyone ever used a build like that.
likely something from a fairy tail. must be a unicorn build i never seen it.
like 6 large lasers is anything in particular good......and above all it's not even logical while you can fit 2 SRM that out preform dps wish.

Are you kidding me? the 6LL 4N is THE meta mech right now. you fire in two groups of three because of the IS LL ghost heat buff. I run it almost exclusively as my assault mech and get top damage in kills almost every match.

[Kain Demos]

Mirumoto Izanami, on 09 April 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

Bullsheet. Maybe a gimp setup Direwolf.





You have no idea what you are talking about.

Pretty much.

"Never seen a 6LL stalker" then GTFO the forums since you know nothing about the game.

[Evan20k]

Misery is still the best Stalker imo. Yes, even better than the 4N. The 4N can't stay in drawn-out firefights due to its lack of durability, but the Misery can take huge amounts of damage that makes even an Atlas drool with its shield-side and keep on hitting.

[Mawai]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

not sure what game you playing.
but my KC running around 65 Mph with enough firepower to outmatch a Direwolf.

also wanna point out this infamus 6 LL build i never ever seen anyone ever used a build like that.
likely something from a fairy tail. must be a unicorn build i never seen it.
like 6 large lasers is anything in particular good......and above all it's not even logical while you can fit 2 SRM that out preform dps wish.

Is this a troll?

The 6LL STK-4N is the current IS laser vomit meta and it is quite powerful. It can be used in both CW and PUG land but probably sees more use in CW. I have seen a few in PUG drops though. There are two reasons it is popular

1) It has several stacked large laser quirks which are really nice
2) The IS ghost heat limit on large lasers was raised to 3

This means that it can either fire a 6LL alpha that won't overheat in one shot ... or more efficiently ... it can alternate firing banks of 3 LL without incurring ghost heat. This lets it deal out a lot of damage very efficiently ... likely more than your king crab though I haven't run the numbers.

... and that is all there is to it.

Whether the STK-4N is actually OP ... I have no idea .. I tend to think not that much ... it doesn't seem as over-effective as the pre-nerf quirked TDR-9S which was an excellent brawler and sniper ... now it is still an excellent sniper but doesn't have the heat capacity to keep up in a steady brawl.

[Sir Wulfrick]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

not sure what game you playing.
but my KC running around 65 Mph with enough firepower to outmatch a Direwolf.

also wanna point out this infamus 6 LL build i never ever seen anyone ever used a build like that.
likely something from a fairy tail. must be a unicorn build i never seen it.
like 6 large lasers is anything in particular good......and above all it's not even logical while you can fit 2 SRM that out preform dps wish.

OK, our opinions on the Crab will just have to differ.

In relation to your comment about never having seen anyone drive the 6 large-laser Stalker 4N... It is MWO that you're playing? If you really don't see anyone using that setup... I'm not sure what to say to you. I'm far from being an incredible player on any level but your current ELO bracket must differ slightly from mine. Just saying. The 4N with 6 LL is probably one of the most used meta-mechs in the entire game.

My only advice to you would be that it might be sensible for you to play a few (hundred) more matches before questioning things that are demonstrably pinnacle equipment at the present time. Learn why they're good and then express your opinion. I'll say this as gently as possible: at present you come across as being remarkably uninformed about the subject matter on which you profess knowledge.

[Abisha]

Sir Wulfrick, on 09 April 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

OK, our opinions on the Crab will just have to differ.

In relation to your comment about never having seen anyone drive the 6 large-laser Stalker 4N... It is MWO that you're playing? If you really don't see anyone using that setup... I'm not sure what to say to you. I'm far from being an incredible player on any level but your current ELO bracket must differ slightly from mine. Just saying. The 4N with 6 LL is probably one of the most used meta-mechs in the entire game.

My only advice to you would be that it might be sensible for you to play a few (hundred) more matches before questioning things that are demonstrably pinnacle equipment at the present time. Learn why they're good and then express your opinion. I'll say this as gently as possible: at present you come across as being remarkably uninformed about the subject matter on which you profess knowledge.

unlike many here i have good kill death rate.
i think that's why i not see this unicorn build. ever being used in Solo drops.

Mawai, on 09 April 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

Is this a troll?

The 6LL STK-4N is the current IS laser vomit meta and it is quite powerful. It can be used in both CW and PUG land but probably sees more use in CW. I have seen a few in PUG drops though. There are two reasons it is popular

1) It has several stacked large laser quirks which are really nice
2) The IS ghost heat limit on large lasers was raised to 3

This means that it can either fire a 6LL alpha that won't overheat in one shot ... or more efficiently ... it can alternate firing banks of 3 LL without incurring ghost heat. This lets it deal out a lot of damage very efficiently ... likely more than your king crab though I haven't run the numbers.

... and that is all there is to it.

Whether the STK-4N is actually OP ... I have no idea .. I tend to think not that much ... it doesn't seem as over-effective as the pre-nerf quirked TDR-9S which was an excellent brawler and sniper ... now it is still an excellent sniper but doesn't have the heat capacity to keep up in a steady brawl.

o.0 serious people alpha fire... LOL go play you got a lot to learn son.

[Sir Wulfrick]

Abisha, on 09 April 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

unlike many here i have good kill death rate.
i think that's why i not see this unicorn build. ever being used in Solo drops.

o.0 serious people alpha fire... LOL go play you got a lot to learn son.

I'm not questioning your K/D ratio. Can you not see that? I'm questioning why you believe that the Stalker is terrible when nearly all the best players in the game (a group of which I'm not a member) would say that it is in fact arguably the best current IS assault mech, and arguably one of the top 3 assault mechs in the entire game.

You have failed to provide any evidence to support your position that the Stalker is terrible other than the fact that it has poor torso yaw vales, something that nobody disagrees with!

Time after time the Stalker, and the 6-LL 4N which you say you've never seen anyone use, has been listed as one of the pinnacle designs in the game as it stands today. But let't not take my word for it, here's some evidence supporting my position, and the general position of the player base:

1. Solo queue (which you claim to play) mech tier list, the 4N being listed at Tier 2: http://metamechs.com...ists/solo-list/

2. Group queue mech tier list, the 4N again being listed as one of the best IS assault mechs: http://metamechs.com...sts/group-list/

3. In-depth discussion of Stalker builds with the 6-LL 4N being favourite: http://mwomercs.com/...4n-vs-5m-vs-5s/

Search the assault mech builds sub-forum, it contains loads of advice about how to get the best from your Stalker. I'm not going to debate this any further with you. You claim never to see what you describe as a "unicorn" build for the Stalker 4N. The same Stalker 4N that features in every IS drop deck and in every PuG I've played since the chassis received its last set of quirks which was some time ago. If this reality is somehow different to your version of MWO, there's little more to be discussed.

I'm done here, good evening to you.

[Abisha]

Sir Wulfrick, on 09 April 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

I'm not questioning your K/D ratio. Can you not see that? I'm questioning why you believe that the Stalker is terrible when nearly all the best players in the game (a group of which I'm not a member) would say that it is in fact arguably the best current IS assault mech, and arguably one of the top 3 assault mechs in the entire game.

You have failed to provide any evidence to support your position that the Stalker is terrible other than the fact that it has poor torso yaw vales, something that nobody disagrees with!

Time after time the Stalker, and the 6-LL 4N which you say you've never seen anyone use, has been listed as one of the pinnacle designs in the game as it stands today. But let't not take my word for it, here's some evidence supporting my position, and the general position of the player base:

1. Solo queue (which you claim to play) mech tier list, the 4N being listed at Tier 2: http://metamechs.com...ists/solo-list/

2. Group queue mech tier list, the 4N again being listed as one of the best IS assault mechs: http://metamechs.com...sts/group-list/

3. In-depth discussion of Stalker builds with the 6-LL 4N being favourite: http://mwomercs.com/...4n-vs-5m-vs-5s/

Search the assault mech builds sub-forum, it contains loads of advice about how to get the best from your Stalker. I'm not going to debate this any further with you. You claim never to see what you describe as a "unicorn" build for the Stalker 4N. The same Stalker 4N that features in every IS drop deck and in every PuG I've played since the chassis received its last set of quirks which was some time ago. If this reality is somehow different to your version of MWO, there's little more to be discussed.

I'm done here, good evening to you.

i never stated that the stalker is bad. i say the misery need a yaw improvement. as posted above.

also your Meta list is a bit old man, almost 2 months over date.

Edited by Abisha, 09 April 2015 - 12:00 PM.