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[AntiCitizenJuan]

Iron Maiden = Yes
Ted Nugent = Draft Dodging Piece of ****

[Bishop Steiner]

MarineTech, on 11 April 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

You had to be there man.... You had to be there.

I was for a chunk of it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Green Mamba, on 11 April 2015 - 06:19 AM, said:

So your a Liberal?

InspectorG, on 11 April 2015 - 06:43 AM, said:

Thats called having taste and understanding real politics!

70's rock is ok, but Conservatism/Liberalsim is for the plebs.

Romeo Deluxe, on 11 April 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Liberal American that thinks the Nuge is a {LT-MOB-25}

And some of us are self aware and intelligent enough to know that pushy Liberals or Conservatives are just flip sides of the same lemming coin. Folks that have to try to politicize everything really need to get out more. I got better things to do than to cling to and promote the lies and agendas of either party, thanks.

As for my music, I base that on actual musicianship, not political agendas and or quasisocialpolitical diatribes.

Burktross, on 11 April 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

I thought you said you lived in Mexico...

You do know Mexico is part of North America,. same as the United States and Canada, yes?

Also, just because someone lives in a certain country, doesn't mean they had to be born there, my friend.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 April 2015 - 10:16 AM.

[Burktross]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 April 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

You do know Mexico is part of North America,. same as the United States and Canada, yes?

Also, just because someone lives in a certain country, doesn't mean they had to be born there, my friend.

Un-American usually implies "Not of the US."
But I forfeit, in the fear of creating a Semantics™ argument.
Also, it was a fair guess that you resided where you were born.

Edited by Burktross, 11 April 2015 - 10:14 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 11 April 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

Iron Maiden = Yes
Ted Nugent = Draft Dodging Piece of ****

Amazing how overlooked that part is.....

Burktross, on 11 April 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

Un-American usually implies "Not of the US."
But I forfeit, in the fear of creating a Semantics™ argument.
Also, it was a fair guess that you resided where you were born.

*Sigh* American arrogance...always bout Murica!. *SMH*

[mogs01gt]

LordNothing, on 11 April 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

people have been saying for awhile that events make everybody play like idiots, and that may be true to a degree (especially when it requires members of the same team to fight eachother for stuff). but it occured to me the last few events, especially the week long luckey charms event, and this one, that its not the events making everyone play like idiots. its the weekend mechwarriors.

this morning (i use the term loosely) after about 4 hours to complete the event, dinner, and a loaf of banana bread, i decided to pug away my premium time. the skill levels seemed to instantly plummet. entire matches where the highest scores are in the sub 30 range. average maturity has seemingly dropped to level 'tween'. now im probibly in elo hell because of time spend in the group queue, but a pattern is a pattern. i haven't seen games that bad for awhile. thinking on the week long luckey charms event, i cant recall seeing bad scores during the weekday games, but i did see a lot of bad scores friday-sunday. and previous weekend events, almost always bad. why not durring the weeklong events? because those are the every day players.

its the teens and college students, no doubt burdened with homework and part time jobs on the side, working adults with not a whole lot of free time during the weekdays. people who simply dont have the time to put in the hours to become good at mechwarrior. something to think about next time you want to bash pgi for 'stupid events' (i bash pgi enough as it is already).

in the FPS world, most weekends make the game unplayable.

[Zordicron]

I stopped playing last night because of this. Every match was one or two players and 10 cadets vs one of two teams:

Team one: 12 sort of average players. These matches were stomps, even if they didnt end in 12-1. I messed around with my Phract 1x in an experimental loadout I wanted to try(new phract quirks has me interested in them for the first time in almost 2 years). As an example, Forest Colony skirmish- I had 5 kills and almost 800 dmg. We lost, 12-5. my team just moved to a spot, then I dunno, got confused or scared at explosions and camped. I took the lead(in an XL Cataphract lol) and got most/2/3 the team to follow. Once we hit a fork in the road, the entire mass dispersed like oil on water, and each took their turn being vaporized with less than 100 dmg to their name.

Team 2: The same one or two players with 10 cadets. These matches were incredibly close. Generally, the normal players had a normal game, decent damage and such, but eventually get killed by their counterpart or finished off by their hoarde of cadets in tow, etc. Then, the next 8-10 minutes of match would be the remaining 4-5 cadets on both sides splashing laser spray and missing ppc shots at each other, running into walls, doing 1 vs 1 spread all over the map playing hide and seek etc. In the end lots of "GG" passed around as the score ends at 12-10 after lots of "intense moments" trading missed LBX10 shots back and forth until someone gets lucky and stumbles backards into an enemy and turns around and cores them through the back because they didn't notice or look at the radar- not even once.

So I had to stop playing for sanity sake. I mean it's pugs right, but when it gets to this point, I mean that feeling of "it's just out of my control" gets too strong. You can't carry 10 cadets, even killing half the enemy single handedly wont do it. I know people say "just play for yourself then" but that goes against my years of MWO puglandia, where getting a W/L in the green means you MUST cover for your team and sometimes even sacrifice your mech to put momentum into a flank etc. And in matches like this, there is no tactic to win, no forcing a brawl, no creating momentum, not even just creating movement, the cadets just don't get it.

A loss is just a loss in pugland. But when it is so unevenly matched, there is little satisfaction in the win or loss because it was obviously inevitable.


IMO, teams need to get sized by map, and maybe even kept down to 8 vs 8 in solo pugland to give matchmaker half a chance to keep team skills averaged. 3 lances of Elite+cadet wingmen vs 3 lances of average players that at least know how to move around a map, makes for an impossible situation usually- focus fire, even badly aimed, eventually you get taken apart when it is only one or two guys trying to take down 12.


Edit: I just wanted to add the "team 2" style of match I was part of last night basically mirrors what was mentioned about weekend warrior ELO. thos guys were having fun, and I do not begrudge them that at all. But you gotta think of it this way: those 5 players I stomped all over in the first example, I doubt they had that much fun. I didn;t particularily enjoy it either. One kill was a freegin HeavyMetal that just, came to a complete stop 25M infront of me to line up a gauss shot on a team mate 1000M to my right, and never noticed me once. So I shot him in the cockpit as I still had hope of a team victory and didnt have time to waste actually engaged as I needed to move elsewhere- I abhor headshots normally and avoid purposeful aim in 99% of situations, but thats another thread.

Edited by Eldagore, 11 April 2015 - 10:30 AM.

[Johny Rocket]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 April 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

Being a home town Michigander cruising some of the same streets he did... and growing up listening to Deadly Teddley... I understand and accept opinion.

This,
You spent much time in Bellaire in the 90s you saw the Zebra stripped Broncos riding around.At the Dockside on Torch Lake one nite and he came in and bought us all a round, hung out for a few before he went fishing. Good guy good times.

To the other guy, the Appeal? Because if you live anywhere in the State north of Flint this is your Michigan

Ol Deadly is one of our own, in a lot of ways his music is our story. Sex Guns Horsepower and Rock and Roll, the Michigan way.

Off topic. I know.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 11 April 2015 - 10:58 AM.

[Revis Volek]

When i get on Friday night at 7:30 its great

Saturday....anytime....wtf. Its like a different game and the game is im the only one poking so i get shot to S#$%!!!!

Wait warriors, love em.

Bishop Steiner, on 11 April 2015 - 05:21 AM, said:

I'm gonna get called un-American for this...but never understood the appeal of the Nuge.

Bishop getting all kinds of flack....

Edited by DarthRevis, 11 April 2015 - 11:08 AM.

[Sir Wulfrick]

zagibu, on 11 April 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

Up the Irons... Somewhere down the pub!! Hail Maiden fans everywhere!!

Danth Reduviid, on 11 April 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

-SNIP-
And to keep it on topic... both Iron Maiden and Ted should have gone away 25 years ago. They were great once, but not any longer.

BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!!! Seriously though, I think A Matter of Life & Death and The Final Frontier have been some of their best albums since Somewhere in Time and Piece of Mind.



On topic... It is probably true that more causal players have time to play on weekends. I know I do, working all sorts of weird & wonderful shifts during the week. I'm not sure that's a bad thing though - the more people playing MWO the better. The challenge for the game is to retain them and train them.

[Johny Rocket]

Sir Wulfrick, on 11 April 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

On topic... It is probably true that more causal players have time to play on weekends. I know I do, working all sorts of weird & wonderful shifts during the week. I'm not sure that's a bad thing though - the more people playing MWO the better. The challenge for the game is to retain them and train them.

Please don't train them, it spoils my fun. I love the chaotic play, especially after the introduction of LFG. During the week I play after work when Im not rocketing bombers and handling Spitfires. It gets a bit repetitive because most of the players know where everything is and how the enemy is going to attack. Set up in the same places and wait.

Sure I've watched my points and KDR go south and had the stomps by competitive teams point hunting.
But I played a nasty, wickedly fun, match on Caustic Valley where lurms were useless and no one went up to the Caldera, we circled, they circled and tried to cap our base in the refinery and we went down in after them. The last minute was 6 of us murdering the last 4 of them in the base contesting their cap because the got it to 25%. 10 mechs slogging inside the base. That was fun.

Had one on the mining collective where 2 of us dropped in STK 4Ns and he just went charging forward at the front of the pack, I followed and we did 60kph across the map, never stopped just tore into everything on the way across and left the remains for our team. By time we got to their base it was over and half our team hadn't shot anything except us in the back. Complete shock and awe. Their team listened to someones advice to stick together, but they just went to pieces and let us walk thru murdering them.
You just don't get that kind of guilty pleasure Mon-Th. That tactic would mean you were the first guys dead normally.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 11 April 2015 - 11:32 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Danth Reduviid, on 11 April 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

I've noticed the same thing too about the weekend. I don't think the skill level is necessary worse, but the teamwork definitely is.

Less people use voice, little coordination, and players rynning ahead away from the group.

When the team plays together it pulls everyon's scores up, when they don't it results in a bad game for everyone.

And to keep it on topic... both Iron Maiden and Ted should have gone away 25 years ago. They were great once, but not any longer.

Personally, as a longtime Maiden fan (first listen was in 1986), I love the Brave New World to present stuff. It's a good mix of their classic style with progressive elements. Really out of their entire "Bruce" Discography, only Fear of the Dark and No Prayer for the Dying" fall flat, IMO. Even the Blaze albums were not bad musically...Blaze just never fit the band, but all the songs of that Era that Bruce has sung live, like the Clansmen, etc, have actually been pretty epic.

Tractor Joe, on 11 April 2015 - 10:53 AM, said:

This,
You spent much time in Bellaire in the 90s you saw the Zebra stripped Broncos riding around.At the Dockside on Torch Lake one nite and he came in and bought us all a round, hung out for a few before he went fishing. Good guy good times.

To the other guy, the Appeal? Because if you live anywhere in the State north of Flint this is your Michigan

Ol Deadly is one of our own, in a lot of ways his music is our story. Sex Guns Horsepower and Rock and Roll, the Michigan way.

Off topic. I know.

oddly I have always preferred his hunting stuff to his music.

Sir Wulfrick, on 11 April 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

Up the Irons... Somewhere down the pub!! Hail Maiden fans everywhere!!



BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!!! Seriously though, I think A Matter of Life & Death and The Final Frontier have been some of their best albums since Somewhere in Time and Piece of Mind.

Agreed....and if one gets past the really crappy album cover, I like Dance of Death a fair bit too. But then, I still love 7th Son. But favorite album will probably always be Powerslave.

[LordNothing]

first off i have to congratulate you all on such a pleasantly amusing derailment. even though im more of a motorhead fan, i still have the lyrics to number of the beast burned into my electronics bench.

second off, i dont think i had a second off, i just liked the derail. carry on.

Edited by LordNothing, 11 April 2015 - 12:47 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

LordNothing, on 11 April 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

first off i have to congratulate you all on such a pleasantly amusing derailment. even though im more of a motorhead fan, i still have the lyrics to number of the beast burned into my electronics bench.

second off, i dont think i had a second off, i just liked the derail. carry on.

hey, Zagibu started it!

[zagibu]

Thread derailment is a fine art I've honed over decades. But back to the topic: If you had to choose only one Maiden song, which one would it be? For me, it would be this one:


It's simple, but powerful, with a great solo part and cool lyrics (twisted Icarus saga). It also ends with a great scream from Bruce.

[LordNothing]

zagibu, on 11 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

Thread derailment is a fine art I've honed over decades. But back to the topic: If you had to choose only one Maiden song, which one would it be? For me, it would be this one:


It's simple, but powerful, with a great solo part and cool lyrics (twisted Icarus saga). It also ends with a great scream from Bruce.

hard to beat number of the beast, because satan is metal.

[Zensei]

LordNothing, on 11 April 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

people have been saying for awhile that events make everybody play like idiots, and that may be true to a degree (especially when it requires members of the same team to fight eachother for stuff). but it occured to me the last few events, especially the week long luckey charms event, and this one, that its not the events making everyone play like idiots. its the weekend mechwarriors.

this morning (i use the term loosely) after about 4 hours to complete the event, dinner, and a loaf of banana bread, i decided to pug away my premium time. the skill levels seemed to instantly plummet. entire matches where the highest scores are in the sub 30 range. average maturity has seemingly dropped to level 'tween'. now im probibly in elo hell because of time spend in the group queue, but a pattern is a pattern. i haven't seen games that bad for awhile. thinking on the week long luckey charms event, i cant recall seeing bad scores during the weekday games, but i did see a lot of bad scores friday-sunday. and previous weekend events, almost always bad. why not durring the weeklong events? because those are the every day players.

its the teens and college students, no doubt burdened with homework and part time jobs on the side, working adults with not a whole lot of free time during the weekdays. people who simply dont have the time to put in the hours to become good at mechwarrior. something to think about next time you want to bash pgi for 'stupid events' (i bash pgi enough as it is already).

This is an amusing post, I'm not sure whats the prob either, but I don't fit in any of your categories, it's not just you bro and its not weekend warriors, play the game, do not under any circumstances take it seriously. everyone sounds the same on comms, units are what they are, who cares.

shitfuckdamn thats all shitfuckdamn.

[LordNothing]

Zensei, on 11 April 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

This is an amusing post, I'm not sure whats the prob either, but I don't fit in any of your categories, it's not just you bro and its not weekend warriors, play the game, do not under any circumstances take it seriously. everyone sounds the same on comms, units are what they are, who cares.

shitfuckdamn thats all shitfuckdamn.

the meaning of the post is in the last sentence really. its just an observation i wanted to share.

[stjobe]

zagibu, on 11 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

But back to the topic: If you had to choose only one Maiden song, which one would it be?

Revelations. No contest.

Here in a lovely '85 Live After Death rendition:



Although really you could pick just about any song from Piece of Mind and it would be top-10 on any Maiden song list.

[Kenyon Burguess]

It forces the 30 point suicide mentality playstyle not only because of the short time limit but Because its forcing random players of all skill levels together who have 0 trust in each other. Pgi may have gotten the data they needed, but there wasnt much fun attached to it