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[bad arcade kitty]

let's suppose i have a mech, for instance a kfx-prime, i bought a kfx-c right arm, a kfx-d left arm, kfx-s left and right legs, it still counts as kfx-prime, fine. now let's suppose i also bought and installed a kfx-s head, a kfx-s center torso, a kfx-s right torso, a kfx-s left torso, a kfx-s right and left arms... my cute fox is still kfx-prime despite all her pods are now kfx-s! if i want to get kfx-s to unlock elite skill tree i should buy kfx-s version for the full price (!) regardless how many kfx-s spare parts i already have, i will have zero discount for having them and have to sell them for a half of their price. i think it's ridiculous. they could link changing the version to changing the head slot (and make it significantly more expensive) or the center torso or something, but right now it's imo ridiculous, you are forced to waste millions for something which you already have (it includes buying an unmovable engine for each of the versions) for a fraction of that price simply to get a skill tree unlock

[kosmos1214]

nope

[darkezero]

The CT cannot be swapped out.

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

bad arcade kitty, on 11 April 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

let's suppose i have a mech, for instance a kfx-prime, i bought a kfx-c right arm, a kfx-d left arm, kfx-s left and right legs, it still counts as kfx-prime, fine. now let's suppose i also bought and installed a kfx-s head, a kfx-s center torso, a kfx-s right torso, a kfx-s left torso, a kfx-s right and left arms... my cute fox is still kfx-prime despite all her pods are now kfx-s!

You can't fit a CT from a different chassis unless you own that chassis soooo...

Edited by Keira RAVEN McKenna, 11 April 2015 - 06:25 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

well, yep, i missed it, but it makes little difference
there should be either discount for the owned omnipods or buying a new chassis it should be buying of a new central torso, for a reasonable price. right now they force us to waste a lot of money

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

have you noticed its just you thinking this is "ridiculous"... might be something there...

[Stealth Fox]

I see where you are going with this, and I think your logic is a bit flawed, but I like the direction you are headed.

Yeah. We should be able to get say.. the Cockpit, body and legs at a reduced price if we need?

I mean its not like there is any reason to justify the "cannon" price when they do almost everything worse then IS mechs now and require sometimes an additional 6,000,000 in cbills just to get up and running

[bad arcade kitty]

Keira RAVEN McKenna, on 11 April 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

have you noticed its just you thinking this is "ridiculous"... might be something there...

yeah, others got used to it or just don't like clans
then, this thread exists for a very little time too

[Durant Carlyle]

Seph MacLeod, on 11 April 2015 - 06:58 PM, said:

I mean its not like there is any reason to justify the "cannon" price when they do almost everything worse then IS mechs now and require sometimes an additional 6,000,000 in cbills just to get up and running

Please tell me how Clan Omnis require six million extra C-Bills to get up and running. You cannot change the internal structure, armor, engine, heat sinks, or fixed equipment. That's the most expensive stuff. If you're spending an extra six million C-Bills, you're doing it wrong.

It's the Inner Sphere BattleMechs that require extra C-Bill investment to get the upgrade goodies, not Clan Omnis.

And to the OP...

No, you can not now, nor will you ever be able to, get discounted new 'Mechs. It doesn't work that way.

An OmniPod isn't the whole limb or torso section. It's simply the parts that can be easily swapped out to fit different weapons. You still have to have the base torso/arm/leg to work with.

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 11 April 2015 - 07:41 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

grr, it would be nice if they only forced us to buy a new central torso with engine, would fit the whole omnipod theme better
but again all other parts, armor, weapon etc

[Stealth Fox]

Durant Carlyle, on 11 April 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

Please tell me how Clan Omnis require six million extra C-Bills to get up and running. You cannot change the internal structure, armor, engine, heat sinks, or fixed equipment. That's the most expensive stuff. If you're spending an extra six million C-Bills, you're doing it wrong.

Swapping out omni pods, swapping out weapons, buying weapons, heat sinks, buying armor points, Modules, (I mean ****, Radar Derp costs a hell of a lot if you dun wanna rip it from a mech and put it into something else)

Having to bend crappy clan weapons to fit the meta. I know I spent about 6,000,000 more on my Mad Dog Prime before I got everything i needed for it to be somewhat Viable.

And if we can't get discount mechs, does this also mean we don't have Wacky Wavy Waving Inflatable Arm Men?

[Durant Carlyle]

Seph -- those costs you list are standard for any 'Mech, except for the OmniPod costs. There is no way to get around that.

You're making it seem like those costs are only for Clan 'Mechs, and that's simply not true. Clan 'Mechs are more costly up front, but they don't cost as much for upgrades and such because they are already upgraded.

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 11 April 2015 - 08:03 PM.

[Stealth Fox]

Durant Carlyle, on 11 April 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

Seph -- those costs you list are standard for any 'Mech, except for the OmniPod costs. There is no way to get around that.

You're making it seem like those costs are only for Clan 'Mechs, and that's simply not true. Clan 'Mechs are more costly up front, but they don't cost as much for upgrades and such because they are already upgraded.

Perhaps I miss put it, I never meant to say that the costs are exclusive to clan mechs,

just that you've gotta pay twice as much FOR a clan mech and THEN add on the other costs.

[Tesunie]

The increased cost of Omni mechs (partly due to their omnipods being in the cost price) makes Omnimechs seem mroe expensive up front. But, after you consider customizing, IS mechs can actually cost just as much (if not more) when all of their upgrades are finished. It ends up being the hidden cost over the visible up front costs.

[Stealth Fox]

Tesunie, on 11 April 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

The increased cost of Omni mechs (partly due to their omnipods being in the cost price) makes Omnimechs seem mroe expensive up front. But, after you consider customizing, IS mechs can actually cost just as much (if not more) when all of their upgrades are finished. It ends up being the hidden cost over the visible up front costs.

And yet you are able to have them quicker, and swap parts from less used or not appropriate mechs with more ease on the other hand.

[TheCaptainJZ]

If you are leveling a clan chassis, do not buy all the omnipods for another variant! Buy the 3 variants you want and swap omnipods. You can strip an omnipod from one and save it and put it in another. In this way, you wouldn't have to buy any extra omnipods except for spares or duplicate builds or convenience.

[Tesunie]

Seph MacLeod, on 11 April 2015 - 08:22 PM, said:

And yet you are able to have them quicker, and swap parts from less used or not appropriate mechs with more ease on the other hand.

It's about flexibility. IS have some things easier, such as being able to buy a mech sooner, and then work on it. However, we can't change out our hard points and any weight saving XL engines have extra vulnerabilities. Each side have their gives and takes. One of the takes on Omni mechs are their locked components, but then again they can completely switch out hard points. Standard mechs can change out every component, but their hard points are locked and limits the variant's abilities.

I could go on here, but I'm sure you get what I mean. One of the "costs" of an Omni mech it it's up front larger price tag. Customizing individual pieces can also be costly, as clan tech tends to have some extra benefits (as well as different weaknesses).

Personally, I find the system to be rather balanced so far. (I also would, just like with a lot of IS XL engines, buy the variant with the pods I want instead of buying the individual pods.)

As far as moving parts around, besides Omnipods themselves and locked gear, any other gear can be switched as readily and as easily as Clan mechs. (Unless I am misreading your statement. I'm kinda a little tired and it's late where I am.)

[WonderSparks]

Hmm... Hmmmmm... I do not follow the OP's logic.
_{(Especially because, as has already been noted, one cannot swap the CT "omnipod")}
I have not, for any of my OmniMechs (even when they were brand-new) had to spend millions and millions of C-bills to bring them up to my specs. (Unless you are combining the costs, then yes it does get a bit pricey)

So yeah. Just buy the darn 'Mech for full price, or wait for some kind of sale and then buy it. Or do not even buy it. I do not think it really matters to anyone else.

[Stealth Fox]

Tesunie, on 11 April 2015 - 08:30 PM, said:

As far as moving parts around, besides Omnipods themselves and locked gear, any other gear can be switched as readily and as easily as Clan mechs. (Unless I am misreading your statement. I'm kinda a little tired and it's late where I am.)

I mostly mean engines and the like or other things from other mechs while you work on the cash to make that one viable. Not saying clans can't do it to, but they can't do it as much..

[bad arcade kitty]

TheCaptainJZ, on 11 April 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

If you are leveling a clan chassis, do not buy all the omnipods for another variant! Buy the 3 variants you want and swap omnipods. You can strip an omnipod from one and save it and put it in another. In this way, you wouldn't have to buy any extra omnipods except for spares or duplicate builds or convenience.

that's pretty obvious. but i have to buy some omnipods, like in the kfx example, i have to buy kfx-s legs if i want jump jets, have to buy a kfx-d arm if i want missiles etc.

but regardless, what mostly annoys me, it's not even the price, you don't get me, it's that i pay that price not for getting a shiny new hardpoint or a shiny new upgrade like in the case of is mechs, i already have those upgrades, i already have those hardpoints for cheap, no, the only reason why i pay it it's because i need to unlock the elite skill tree. that money spending to buy what you already have for cheap just to unlock a skill tree feels extremely unrewarding