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#81 STEF_

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 08:31 AM

View PostTesunie, on 15 April 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:


"Farming" c-bills is playing the game. You have to play the game to earn c-bills. Yet "farming c-bills" is no fun. Does this mean the entire game is no fun?

I'm sorry, I can't see your logic here. I have fun playing the game. Grinding for my next project is just something that drives me to continue playing. Earning experience on a specific mech drives me to continue to use different mechs to master them all.

All this I get just for playing the game and having fun doing so. If you aren't having fun playing the game (and thus earning c-bills), maybe this isn't the right game for you? Or you just haven't found that playstyle that works for you that you can enjoy playing.

My logic is simple: dropping and piloting mechs, trying to win, and making the best that I and my unit can. This is fun.
It's been so since every previous mw games.

Grinding c-bills is fun? nope. It's not my game.

My previous post is related to a newbie point of view: if he would like to have a minimum group of viable mechs playing "for free", that newbie MUST grind a stellar quantity of matches. Unless he has fun dropping with always the same little bunch of mechs for a stellar quantity of matches to grind the c-bills.

Too much grind. Newbies get bored, I assure you.

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 08:45 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 15 April 2015 - 08:31 AM, said:

My logic is simple: dropping and piloting mechs, trying to win, and making the best that I and my unit can. This is fun.
It's been so since every previous mw games.

Grinding c-bills is fun? nope. It's not my game.

My previous post is related to a newbie point of view: if he would like to have a minimum group of viable mechs playing "for free", that newbie MUST grind a stellar quantity of matches. Unless he has fun dropping with always the same little bunch of mechs for a stellar quantity of matches to grind the c-bills.

Too much grind. Newbies get bored, I assure you.


You talk to someone who was here when the trial mechs were all stock IS mechs (typically with SHS, standard engines and only a ton or two of ammo). There also was no Cadet bonus and R&R was in the game. I had fun working on earning my first mech and playing it back then. Even now, I continue to play this game for the fun of the game, not for the quickness that I can earn my next mech.

The very game play of this should be fun. You can have lots of fun with only 2 mechs. By the time you've typically got skills done for those mechs you probably have the c-bills for the next one or rather close to it.

If "grinding" is boring, then don't play just about any game out there. All games I know of have some element of grinding. If it moves too fast, people "beat" the game in moments and it's boring (getting tired of games I can beat in 2-3 hours of play time to be honest). For grinding games, we can look at the ever popular WOW games, Guildwars, even Diablo 2. Every game has grind in it. Enjoy playing the game, not getting more virtual stuff in it.

You also have to consider the Cadet bonus provides a lot of free c-bills, as well as PGI does plenty of give away events, just about every weekend now. Stick around long enough, and you can win some mechbays and possibly even mechs (or at least c-bills) from a weekend event.


My Alternate account, designed to use only Stock Mechs, has done fine earning c-bills for it's next mechs. It just takes time is all.

(I'm not saying that new user experience is great, as that could use work. However, I think earnings seem to sit at a decent place right now. The better you work in your team and the more you do in a match, the better your earnings become. Much better than before where everyone earns just about the same amount, win or lose. That encouraged too many people to join a match and DC with as many mechs in as many matches to earn as much C-bills for no work. You want C-bills, you should have to work/play for them.)

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 10:57 AM

View PostTesunie, on 15 April 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

You talk to someone who was here when the trial mechs were all stock IS mechs (typically with SHS, standard engines and only a ton or two of ammo). There also was no Cadet bonus and R&R was in the game. I had fun working on earning my first mech and playing it back then. Even now, I continue to play this game for the fun of the game, not for the quickness that I can earn my next mech. The very game play of this should be fun. You can have lots of fun with only 2 mechs. By the time you've typically got skills done for those mechs you probably have the c-bills for the next one or rather close to it. If "grinding" is boring, then don't play just about any game out there. All games I know of have some element of grinding. If it moves too fast, people "beat" the game in moments and it's boring (getting tired of games I can beat in 2-3 hours of play time to be honest). For grinding games, we can look at the ever popular WOW games, Guildwars, even Diablo 2. Every game has grind in it. Enjoy playing the game, not getting more virtual stuff in it. You also have to consider the Cadet bonus provides a lot of free c-bills, as well as PGI does plenty of give away events, just about every weekend now. Stick around long enough, and you can win some mechbays and possibly even mechs (or at least c-bills) from a weekend event. My Alternate account, designed to use only Stock Mechs, has done fine earning c-bills for it's next mechs. It just takes time is all. (I'm not saying that new user experience is great, as that could use work. However, I think earnings seem to sit at a decent place right now. The better you work in your team and the more you do in a match, the better your earnings become. Much better than before where everyone earns just about the same amount, win or lose. That encouraged too many people to join a match and DC with as many mechs in as many matches to earn as much C-bills for no work. You want C-bills, you should have to work/play for them.)


We are quite similar, since I'm piloting mechs since mw2 (and in BT even before).
And I'm here for the same reason, I like it.

And yes, I don't play any other game out there, requiring grinding (to be honest, Mw is been the only internet/multiplayer game I ever played).

I like grind experience in a mech, to unlock achievements. This makes sense, since a pilot get used to it and both (pilot and mech) can improve dropping.

Really, having to grind a loooooooooooooooot of matches to buy chassis is quite boring because....yes, of course, you can have fun dropping in the same mech, because this is the game we like, but (quite always) ..isn't it more fun to have the possibility to drop in a huncie, then in a spider, then in an awesome, then in an Atlas, and so on?
and isn't more fun to be free to drop in the same mech if this is what you want to do, and not because you have no choice?

Beside, I'm quite worried about newbie's experience.
Because, as you said, dropping with a team, a pilot can grind well, even in un-locked mechs, etc.
But newbies don't know how a mech works, how weapons work, how teamwork works, which role has a mech, and so on.
Let's see how much PGI wants to improve the game with steam coming. Because if PGI wants to go in steam, it's because there are many newbies there, that can become possible customers.
Frankly I don't know if a game without guides and punishing newbies can be so attractive for a no previous-mech-fan.

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 15 April 2015 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2015 - 11:39 AM

View PostFrostiken, on 14 April 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:


The fact that you just called COD 'free stuffs' really speaks measures of your intellect, considering COD is not and has never been a F2P game.



What would you describe as your leading decisions to keep playing the game? Was it the gameplay? Was it because you like Mechwarrior? Was it because the free to play experience was addicting and grabbed you?

That's my point. If you don't know what Mechwarrior is and aren't a die-hard fan, there's nothing about this game that would make new players want to stick with it.

did I say free to play? Nope. So how about you learn to read before responding with your witless comback.
Have a nice day.

View PostFrostiken, on 14 April 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:


And I'll bet such a completely-not-at-all-a-massive-***** like you then looks around and goes 'IS THE GAME DYING?! Y NO NEW PLAERS!?'

Guess what, every successful F2P game in existence has survived because the game is approachable to new players, it feeds them a steady stream of content to keep them playing, and gives them incentives to log in.

This game has none of those, and it's why there's threads about the low player count all the time.

But you know, I'm sure YOU know better about how to make a F2P game than Valve, or the Clash of Clans team, or Sony Online Entertainment. I'm sure you belittling and insulting players really makes them want to stay.

EDIT: On the front page of the forums right now - one thread 'Is anyone even playing?' and another 'The Attitude Of The Playerbase In Mwo.' Good to see you doing your part.

Acutally, I see new players every time I play. Yet another logical fallacy youre trotting out to "support' your 'argument" which is blatantly wrong. Please, understand the rules of discussion (http://www.debatings...es/NS_Rules.pdf) before trying to blow your smoke up my rear torso. :)

View PostFrostiken, on 14 April 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:


And I'll bet such a completely-not-at-all-a-massive-***** like you then looks around and goes 'IS THE GAME DYING?! Y NO NEW PLAERS!?'

Guess what, every successful F2P game in existence has survived because the game is approachable to new players, it feeds them a steady stream of content to keep them playing, and gives them incentives to log in.

This game has none of those, and it's why there's threads about the low player count all the time.

But you know, I'm sure YOU know better about how to make a F2P game than Valve, or the Clash of Clans team, or Sony Online Entertainment. I'm sure you belittling and insulting players really makes them want to stay.

EDIT: On the front page of the forums right now - one thread 'Is anyone even playing?' and another 'The Attitude Of The Playerbase In Mwo.' Good to see you doing your part.

Im sure YOU know how to make a free to play game better than PGI... OH SNAP SEE TWO CAN THROW THAT BS AROUND :) :) :)

Now, when you show some ACTUAL EVIDENCE supporting your WILD CLAIMS about the numbers of players declining, Ill listen to you. But you wont, because you cant, so I winz!

Oh, and who did I belittle? No one. But you like to make things up so thats not surprising...

Edited by Stoned Prophet, 15 April 2015 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2015 - 12:56 PM

View PostKharnZor, on 14 April 2015 - 11:06 PM, said:

I've still not used any of the mc consumables that i've gotten from various events.

Yeah, other than not using consumables except in CW, I put them on auto refill, and I had a friend do that recently... 1k mc gone before he realized it. OUCH

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:08 PM

View PostKuritaclan, on 15 April 2015 - 03:41 AM, said:

Actually i would like to see the R&R back into the game and a over all functional economy with players who can sell each other equipment and mechs. You can provide credits to new players and have a buddy system with the creditor - who get some interest of your earnings when you play games - however the usual income is a bit low, or at least in non optimzied mechs, and when you are new to the game so you will barely make 200+ damage. If you are skilled and a vet you do like 1k+ dmage here and there and the payment is good for such a 15min game.

Also Refit and Rearm as thought at that time, would not apply if you were in a house faction and was a coutner to be a mercenary/lonewolf. However CW did started a long time later, and so this "thought" never got realised.

Now cw is introduced you could get a fair share for the number of planets which are hold by your faction, to make an effort that your faction wins. And so on. The economy could be much better in this game. But i guess there is no manhours left by the developers to make this happen.

Unfortuantely your idea would open the actual usefulness of account hacking and "gold selling". And pgi aint NEVER gonna do that, I tell you what.

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 04:14 PM

Another point worth mentioning here - you don't need to grind in your own mechs. There are many trial mechs available at all times, and you keep the C-Bills and GXP generated from using those - as far as farming up some income, currently the Trial Storm Crow and the Trial Black Hawk are both excellent builds for generating cash and learning the game. I used these for my Clan Community Warfare decks until I could purchase my own Clan drop deck.

Some of the Trial mechs are extremely poor - but that also serves a purpose - if nothing else, playing those will teach you what not to build.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:06 PM

Hello thread.

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 12:49 AM

View PostMike Forst, on 16 April 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Hello thread.


Hello! Do not pay attention to those who think that the game requires too much effort. That is not true!



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