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[G-LOC]

I’m sick of losing at CW.

Really sick of it.

Last night Me and my rag-tag bunch of clanners dropped against the 12^th Donegal Guards, 12 of them on Sulphurous and my god we were royally spanked. I’m guessing the 12DG were fully coordinated with Teamspeak and a cohesive battle plan where as we were just a bunch of casual players wanting a slightly longer match than normal assault or conquest who did not have the advantage of coordination or comms.

Now I’m not bitter, the 12^th Donegal Guards played very well with the small exception of some spawn camping but why on earth were we pitted against them!?

Now I wanted to join a Clan but after putting my interest out there I was told I’d have to start as a Sibko (I’m not a child), then there were tedious interviews and regimented practice times and unfortunately I don’t have the time for that, I am a casual player who since closed Beta has probably only dropped £30 a year on this game and much as I like the lore the bigger clans do take it a little bit too far.

So why can’t a rag-tag group be pitted against another rag-tag group? I wouldn’t mind waiting a little longer in the queue but these ROFLStomps get a bit much, despite respectable scores in CW 5/6 I always lose and that can’t be right.

Sorry, rant over.

[dervishx5]

Let me just insert this here before someone tells you to stop whining and join a team.

I agree in some respects that pugs probably shouldn't be pitted against twelve mans. In fairness to PGI, even if they're struggling to develop it, we'll probably see a fix for this sooner or later.

One suggestion is to hang in there. Another is to take a hiatus until this is fixed. The best solution is to hang out in a teamspeak where these 12 mans form and join in on the action. I can't even stand the thought of dropping in CW alone. It's the equivalent of a human wave attack.

In the end no amount of light rushes/energy snipers/gauss/streak boats/jenner IICs/metagame is going to save you from a coordinated team with a drop commander. Only another coordinated team with a dedicated drop commander is going to do that.

Edited by dervishx5, 10 April 2015 - 01:11 AM.

[Vxheous]

I sent you a PM.

[Tarogato]

By rag-tag bunch of Clanners, do you mean friends that you play with regularly, or random people you've never played with?

Yes, [12DG] is going to be organised and they are going to be on Teamspeak. Assume that every unit you play against will be coordinated in this way - they have a plan before the match even start and they've prepared their dropdecks ahead of time. Some units prepare more than others.

About seven out of eight times I go into a CW match as a solo pugger, I face an enemy team consisting of solo puggers as well. Some people might not have the same luck I do and end up facing large units more often. The fact that this happens at all is never going to change, contrary to the belief of the poster above me. My advice is that if this frustrates you, then either don't play CW, or find a unit and become a part of something greater. Since you already expressed interest in joining a unit, I'll talk about that for a second.

Some lore-play units will indeed start you as a Sibko. It's no different from Innersphere units who will start you as a "Recruit". My own unit calls their new players "Wreccas" until they have proven their worth and become senior members of the unit. All of this doesn't mean that you're treated as a child and must go through interviews and trials and frequent practices - it all depends on the unit you join. Some role-play units do make you go through all this stuff because they are role-play units or interested in screening new players so they know what you're all about. More competitive units may require you to show up to regularly scheduled practices and events. My own unit does all these things, but isn't afraid to bend the rules because we understand that people have real lives and can't log into a videogame for three hours, four nights a week.

Most units aren't this serious. It's just a matter of you finding one that is casual, where you can log on at any point and just have a group to play with online, no fuss no muss. That shouldn't be hard to do, so I'd keep searching. Look through all the recruitment threads in each of the Clans' forums and also check out this thread here: http://www.reddit.co...ead_cw_edition/

It's a lot of reading, but you might spot a unit that interests you and you can contact them. If this is too much work, I'm sure somebody will come along that is willing to help you out. I would do it myself, but I'm not a dedicated Clan player and I'm not familiar with any Clan units and how they are organised. If you were interested in FRR units, I'd be able to steer you in the right direction. =P

[G-LOC]

The game last night did make me think of the intro to Mechwarrior 4 where the protagonists get assaulted and thoroughly wiped out by the 5th Donegal Guards.



"Any idea what we're up against?"

"Probably the 5th Donegal"

"That's my old unit, why would our own forces attack us?"

"It was inevitable, everything has changed"



...Aaaaaaaand we all die, sad times

[dervishx5]

Tarogato, on 10 April 2015 - 01:10 AM, said:

If you doubt PGI so much why don't you just divorce it?

They'll get around to fixing it. Sure the Earth will probably meet a fiery demise inside an expanding Solar nova before that happens, but they'll get around to it!

Edited by dervishx5, 10 April 2015 - 01:25 AM.

[MingTheMerciless]

I feel your pain mate! One suggestion is to definitely use the internal voice comms and at least call targets for all your mates to shoot at and with the rag-tag group of 12 you dropped with: form up a 12 man yourself after the game has finished (but before everyone has rage-quit!)

The first game is tough for sure but reform the group as soon as you can, after adding everyone into each other's address book and make your own 12 man (faction or open group)

Once done, you all can also try and log into one of dozens of open TS servers and find an empty room/channel/dropship and work on there. Granted you might not get everyone joining in but am sure you should have at least a lance by the end of this. You're not alone by the way, in fact, I reckon you're the majority hence the relatively high numbers in the public drop queues and the consistently smaller numbers in CW.

Good luck!

[Molossian Dog]

CTF GLOC, on 10 April 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

...Now I wanted to join a Clan but after putting my interest out there I was told I’d have to start as a Sibko (I’m not a child), then there were tedious interviews...

Really?

Well, maybe rethink your faction choice.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 10 April 2015 - 01:47 AM.

[G-LOC]

Molossian Dog, on 10 April 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

Really?

Well, maybe rethink your faction choice.

I think it's a clan thing, the IS is just a bit more chilled out, especially the space vikings!

[Molossian Dog]

I think it is an emo wolf thing.

I am a mere merc, so don´t take my word for it, but this is the first time I ever heard about "sibkos" and "interviews" in clan or IS alike. What are these interviews even for? Are you expected to show screenshots of your K/D ratio and recite the rememberance or what?

If a guy fits in a unit or not is decided in the game and from a personal point of view. Not some stupid interview.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 10 April 2015 - 02:02 AM.

[dervishx5]

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I think it is an emo wolf thing.

Look at who the "leader" of Wolf is to prove your point.

[G-LOC]

Damn those emo wolves, I wish my cockpit items were emo so they would hang themselves.


The interviews I think are more informal meetings with the higher ups to check you are a good fit with the unit but it seems a number of units in Clan Wolf start you as a Sibkin.

[Molossian Dog]

The way I know it from House Marik and FRR you do not even need a unit.

You go on a TS, hop into a channel and ask "you guys have a spot". That´s it. Group ready.

dervishx5, on 10 April 2015 - 02:03 AM, said:

Look at who the "leader" of Wolf is to prove your point.

Splatcrow = Splatcat

lawl

Edited by Molossian Dog, 10 April 2015 - 02:13 AM.

[BSK]

This observation is quite interesting, because it has a lot to do with the droproulette that we play in CW. We have no idea which enemy we will face, on which map and do we defend a base or attack it.
Yesterday I faced the 12dg as well, they completely owned us with a light rush in a counter attack. But when they had to attack our base we could shake them off like a mosquito.
Try the new LFG function to get organized and when they power down with their 6LL Stalkers just aim for the cockpit

[zhujiK]

You do know that you have ingame support for comms now, do you? You can always take the initiative and try to coordinate your team.

also, hi @ BSK that light rush was quite fun

Edited by Anasthasius Focht, 10 April 2015 - 02:26 AM.

[G-LOC]

I do remember dropping last night with Anasthasius Focht so I'm guessing we were all part of that wonderful experience. I feel very close to you guys right now.

[ManaValkyrie]

CTF GLOC, a few of the clan units I know are more lore heavy than others. Whoever you looked at went the whole hog route in the terminology.

However, almost all units have the following things in common:

Interview - This is a general chat with unit officers to see if You fit with what they are looking for in the unit. Each unit is different, has different playstyles, drop organisation and goals.

Sibko/Recruit - This is a period of adjustment, its like the first month or two with a new employer (Not that this is a job it just fits) to ensure that you fit in well with the unit, that both sides are happy with each other.

Almost all units do some form of the above IS or Clan, just the names and exact process will be slightly different. Casual units, are less formal and competitive units much more formal and exacting with the recruitment processes.

[Jakob Knight]

One thing to note about the period of evaluation in many Units is that it's a protection mechanism for both sides. The recruit/sibko/bondsperson gets to feel out the Unit to see if the people in it are really who they want to fight alongside or if they should try someplace else, and the Unit gets to see if the new addition can work with them, as well as possibly identifying spies (players who are using an alt to purposely disrupt a Unit from inside). Thus, it shouldn't be seen as a slight against you unless they make it clear they treat it that way. Units have to work together, and some people's preferences simply don't mesh well.

As to why Pugs get put up against 12-mans, the simple answer is because it's CW, and those Pugs are trying for the same planets as the 12-mans. There can't be segregation between people trying for the same goal, or it defeats the purpose of CW as the place where everyone is engaged in the fight. This isn't Public, where battles have no consequences after they are over, so the approach has to be different when entering CW. You have to be ready to face whoever is on the other side of the battlefield, and 12-mans are the main opposition in CW. Sometimes, a 12-man will be experimenting with new tactics or a new leader, and you may catch a break, but on the whole a 12-man will always be a coordinated team working together with a plan.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 10 April 2015 - 02:50 AM.

[YCSLiesmith]

CTF GLOC, on 10 April 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

Now I wanted to join a Clan but after putting my interest out there I was told I’d have to start as a Sibko (I’m not a child), then there were tedious interviews and regimented practice times

lmao I heard clan wolf did garbage like this and didn't want to believe it, no wonder they get rolled 24/7. join one of the other clans dude, I think you're just in the worst one

to clarify, by worst I mean both the least skilled and the most obnoxious. clan wolf single most pathetic faction in game

[Molossian Dog]

It creeps the hell out of me that I agree on so much with Liesmith lately.